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On June 06 2011 02:00 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:59 Pandain wrote:On June 06 2011 01:57 TheKefka wrote:
Why are people so impressed by Losira?All he did was drone up and than a-move his roaches....
And ran speedlings into naniwas base A move? He was microing all that time. He did dual attacks, kept on microing everything during that time. He just did a crazy strategy that involved 3 base drone pumping into just a bunch of roach lings. I mean, he had 4 hatcheries BEFORE he had his lair. How crazy is that! During the entire time he was attacking he kept macroing, and reinforcements just kept on swarming in. His entire strategy was beautiful. It really wasn't. I'm not gonna detract from Losira here because he DID completely outplay Naniwa, but his play was anything but beautiful. Idra against MC was beautiful. This was standard.
Idra's play wasn't that beautiful. The match was amazing because it was back and forth, but it was only back and forth because of small mistakes each player made and the players involved. He didn't do anything crazy, he didn't do anything spectacular.
And how do you not call that amazing? I mean did you see that? He upgrades his lings, drone pumped SO much and got so far ahead in economy, and then he just attacked like the monster he is. Oh my god is he good.
And then to put icing on the cake he got a spire, getting ready for easy a spectacular muta switch or some corrupters to deal with the collusus.
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Sweet, Ret beat Major, I'm hoping for a Ret vs Naniwa rematch ^^
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On June 06 2011 02:04 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:03 Housemd wrote:On June 06 2011 02:02 Huggerz wrote:
Gretorp just won a game vs QXC
wtf is going on Wait, aren't both of them already out? Consolation matches to determine placement.
ahhh...thanks, btw you've been doing great with updating us for the past 3 days thanks a lot!
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On June 06 2011 02:03 sickoota wrote:
I play Protoss. Balance has nothing to do with that game. Losira clearly outplayed him, his timings and engagements were so crisp. Naniwa was playing a very cookie-cutter macro Protoss style and Losira knew exactly how to deal with it.
You realize that the balance whining is not even meant to have a point right now, rite? :D I'm 100% sure that this is happening just because of the retarded zerg tears that we had to endure for a year now :D
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On June 06 2011 02:00 RM_12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:58 Clog wrote:
Naniwa's build was complete crap... what the hell was that
Zerg always makes a bajillion drones on 3 base when you go for a fast nexus you *have* to pressure them in some way to make sure they aren't cutting out too many units or tech, and Naniwa didn't do that Don't criticize what you don't understand.
I understand that Losira didn't start lair until colossi were already under production.
If Naniwa had gone for an attack with maybe a bit more units than he had (say like 5 gate robo instead of 4 gate robo), he would have won the game hands down in my opinion. Losira played a bit risky by getting that really slow lair and droning up bigtime, and Naniwa not doing anything about it was what primarily won Losira the game.
This isn't even anything new about ZvP, you have always had to do some sort of pressure or attack follow-up after going 15 nexus or forge expand
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On June 06 2011 02:01 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:58 blackwolf wrote:
Lol winning just by a-moving and streaming units? Nani played almost perfectly and just got stomped. How the fuck is it possible to beat zerg in pvz? Can we please for the love of god get the QQ out of these threads... zergs were also saying "how the hell do you stop x" or "omfg this person played perfectly and still lost" and now you're saying it on the flip side. Did you ever think that it is very possible to beat but Nani just got out played? That seems pretty reasonable based off of the experience of the meta game evolving, and one race feeling stronger for some time. Btw Nani didn't play perfectly, where did he pressure Losira when Losira was macroing?
I would ignore people who make comments like this. They're all either trolls or idiots. Anyone who knows anything about the game understands that you can get significantly behind early game without actually attacking or being attacked. People who don't are stuck in bronze wondering why their 1 base maxed timing push doesn't work.
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On June 06 2011 02:03 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:02 JAN0L wrote:On June 06 2011 01:59 Deadlyfish wrote:On June 06 2011 01:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:American Ads are so weird and boring...  No? Get real. No really i love them. even Xperia Play? Fuck no, that ad is so stupidly irritating, it makes me want to shoot my screen everytime again :>. I don't understand how you Americans can live with that on the TV xD. Especially since you watch so much TV haha  .
We have the internet now. No more television for me ;D
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Well there's a few things Naniwa could have done differently:
- First game, he could have gotten his third up much faster if he chose to. He chose not to.
- Second game, he could have remade one pylon, and had 2 zealots on hold position to stop any runbys by lings into his base. It made him weak to counters.
- Both games he could have chosen to go for some sort of heavy warpgate, real or pretend, or heavy stargate, or leg speed / blink / dt / HT tech, in order to try to punish the fast third / low tier zerg.
We saw Losira in both games go for saturating 3 bases completely before starting to get lair tech. Without being pressured into making any units.
That's kinda easy to play out as zerg.
Note that they are somewhat even in supply in the second game untill 105 supply - then it's 170 vs 120 because Losira started making units full time, having 3 saturated bases.
The easiest way to play zerg is to be given time to saturate 3 or 4 bases before you have to get your tech, or units. That way you know your opponents mix, and can counter it, with a superior economy, you will outarmy them soon enough.
So all in all, I felt Naniwa looked a bit timid in those games, and got outplayed by heavy macro focus by Losira.
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im scared for idra... seeing mma drop play is like... wtf he has 10 hands xP
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On June 06 2011 02:02 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:57 TheKefka wrote:
Why are people so impressed by Losira?All he did was drone up and than a-move his roaches....
And ran speedlings into naniwas base You go try and doing just that and bea Naniwa, then come back and talk ok?
What are you talking about?I never said i could beat Naniwa or play zerg but people are saying LOSIRA IS GOD,TRUE ZERG when he really only droned up heavy because there was no pressure from the protoss,maxed on ling roach and killed a protos that had like a 60 supply disadvantage....
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On June 06 2011 MLG wrote:
CLR5 10. Sjow (t) wins G1 vs 19. Moon (z) on Typhoon after crushing early push from z in late late game. Sjow 1-0.
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When is the next game? I thought it was supposed to be Idra vs MMA now.
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On June 06 2011 02:00 Ertu wrote:
Losira is really good at ZvP but I don't think he has a real shot at winning the tournament,any good terran can take him out ez.
He's already beaten some supposedly good foreigner Terrans. MMA would beat him, but not the foreigners.
Not that there are many Terrans left anyways.
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On June 06 2011 02:03 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:02 Mioraka wrote:On June 06 2011 02:00 kheldorin wrote:On June 06 2011 01:59 Senx wrote:
Naniwa doesn't play abusive enough to beat losira, he's too passive and letting losira do whatever he plans. All the abusive builds of Protoss are already nerfed. By nerfed you mean completely figured out? No nerfed, They only figured it out after it got nerfed. Which is why there is such a huge swing in the match up.
Not really, 4gate wasn't really used anymore at all, it was already a free win for zerg. Nothing else really changed.
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On June 06 2011 02:03 Plexa wrote:Ret vs Haypro :O! oh my
I'm sad about the teamkill but at least a liquid guy will be going onto the round after that!
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On June 06 2011 02:02 st3roids wrote:
LIKE I SAID in previous post
Naniwa pvz is laughable
Check naniwa vs tlo ( as zerg ) and see how bad he looses , then he goes onto WHINE ZERG ARE OP , asking what can he do cause hes pvz sucks
This wasnt a suprise at all for any1 who is watching the pro scene.
Naniwa has THE WORST PVZ
Yeah Naniwa is all about following some specific build order and then just going for a very late push. He plays PvZ like PvT, and it works in PvT because a Terran can't power drone to 70 workers before making units.
He basically represents how Protoss is more about build order wins than actual micro.
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On June 06 2011 02:04 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:03 Titorelli wrote:
What's up with all that Gretorp hate? Has he done anything bad or what? He's a ""pblic figure" now that he is casting NASL. That apparently gives all the twelve-year-olds in the US the right to hate on him for everything little thing he does...
Lol, ya it's only the US hating on him..don't be so biased.
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MLGSC2Scores:
CLR5 10. Sjow (t) wins G1 vs 19. Moon (z) on Typhoon after crushing early push from z in late late game. Sjow 1-0. #MLG
How can you have an early push in late late game? 
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On June 06 2011 02:03 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:02 ForTheDr3am wrote:On June 06 2011 01:58 ptbl wrote:
The era of Zerg SC2 dominance truly starts today. Fixed. god knows we've earned a little dominance
Lmfao "we earned." Wtf are you talking about. You're just some guy who plays casually and who often complained about zerg on this site. The people who earned it are the pros who adapted their play to suit their race. I am glad zergs are doing well now... it's just unfortunate that the bullshit about balance never stops though.
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Why all these breaks when there are games going on ? They can alternate Wheat9 and Tastosis during the lunch break ? .
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