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omg this nydus will be killer
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urg no pylon behind the gas... damn.... very basic mistake possibly costing MC the game.
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Oh oh... this is going to be bad....
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LOOOOOL NYDUS
He's so dead >_<
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On June 06 2011 08:16 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:13 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 08:05 ellirc wrote:On June 06 2011 08:02 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:52 Heavenly wrote:On June 06 2011 07:48 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:
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I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.
Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.
Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....
They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse? +1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers  I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is. And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter. I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality. If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about. Except for the part where the foreigners are gone for ONE MONTH. For one whole month they can't compete in any "westerner" tourneys/showmatches without lagging around everywhere. Where with the MLG, the Koreans are "out of action" for THREE DAYS, and even for those 3 days, the GSL stops, so they're not losing any other potential income. Which is why you've seen the best Koreans out there in July, MC, Losira, and MMA accept, where the best foreigners have already said "No I will not take the Code A ticket, to leave for 30 days." Even more so, when 4th place MLG attracts the same amount of prize money as first place Code A. So we have... 10 times the length, losing tourneys, for 1/3rd of the cash. Foreigners are getting 30 times less potential money per day, and they're getting treated better? Yes, they are getting treated better. As you can see the Korean scene is far better. A month of training in Korea is MUCH better than winning a couple $100 tournaments every week even if you don't perform well in Code A. And not being able to perform in Code A is NOTHING BUT THE FOREIGNER'S FAULT. sorry for GOMTV expecting the 6.5 billion other people in the world outside of Korea to produce at least one competitive foreigner. which I hope is Naniwa, and I hope he gets accepted into the ogs house somehow. The koreans have had 20 years of being on Korea.... You expect Naniwa to take a Code A spot, be there for a month, then join the Koreans on their level?..... In order to LIVE in Korea like Jinro and HuK do, you NEED money. Whats the way a SC2 player gets money? Sponsors, and tourneys. Liquid has good enough sponsors to afford it, as so does FXO. The majority (regardless of skill) simply cant afford it. At this rate, we won't see Nani/Thorzain at the next MLG. Then, over time, you will see Americans lose interest in playing professionally too, because the only things they can win are the $100 show matches each week. Then, the crowds will leave. The die hards (like yourself and I) will still keep an eye on GomTV, but NA will lose depth. Don't kid yourself. The same thing happened in SC1. Why would SC2 go any different with the same direction? You have no clue. Just the mere fact that a few pro gamers have a house in Sweden should indicate that THIS IS NOT BW. Why are you so depressed? I'm not depressed, I'm concerend. Read my first post and you will see why. A couple of pro houses in Europe, and a couple in NA mean that the entire westerner scene is safe-as-"houses" ? I disagree. These houses cost MONEY. As the prize money increases, and we attract more attention from the Koreans, NA players will find it harder to win, and thus harder to pay rent. Then the houses are gone. I don't know why people don't understand the economics of the situation at hand. If you want SC2 to be for the elite only, expect it to go the way of BW. Oh well.... At least we might learn the lesson for SC3, in 2034 You do realise that the majority of earnings for an SC2 player (unless you are MC or nestea) is not from tournament winnings but from streaming / coaching / salary from team + sponsorships. you seem misinformed, players don't need to win prize money to pay their rents lol
And this is the main issue, is it not? Too much side business and not enough practise.
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MC is so dead :/ 
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Nydus network going down for Losira!
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On June 06 2011 08:19 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:15 Paradice wrote:On June 06 2011 08:10 Azarkon wrote:
IdrA cannot play like this in his current form. I'm sorry, but he can't, and that's why he doesn't.
Losira hits something like 350 APM and constantly abuses map control with speedlings. He does things like snipe off colossus with speedlings, frequent runbys, and baneling bombs - the things that IdrA claims only works against "worse" players. Yet it worked against MC.
IdrA plays a very methodical, macro style that focuses on getting a better economy and more units than his opponent while making routine timing pushes. Or he all-ins. Neither of these styles seem to work very well vs. MC. This! I honestly think IdrA is playing the wrong race. The way he plays, it's like he really *wants* to be able to use his macro skills to build a bigger army and then win a straight-up fight. 90% of his balance whining is about how badly zerg fails in a stand up fight. But that's just not the way zerg is designed. Losira won that game long before there was any straight up fight. Unfortunately, he has self-respect. I'd love to watch him play Toss though.
What respect?
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Losira already going for the 3rd as well!
FLANK!
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On June 06 2011 08:18 Jtn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:17 unsaintly wrote:On June 06 2011 08:16 Enox wrote:
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This is insane, blackops and halo are done so we are sitting in their seats with sc on every stage...AND THERES STILL PEOPLE STANDING I'd love to see some pictures. Get twitter. There's tons of pictures being posted by MLG, Wellplayed, random people, etc.
yeah found some pictures, should've looked there first, silly me.
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I feel like I'm watching the campaign...
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On June 06 2011 08:19 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:18 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:17 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:16 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:15 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:14 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:14 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:13 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 08:12 Drazerk wrote:
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Hatchery now going down for Losira 4:00 Ling speed starting for Losira 5:30 Nexus going down for MC Roach warren for Losira 6:20 Twilight council on the way for MC
7:10 Darkshrine on the way Losira going to attack 8:30 Losira gets inside the base of MC MC warps in stalkers not DTs 9:30 MC finally pushes the attack back Spores going up everywhere 10:40 Blink on the way for MC Losira getting his lair 12:00 Robo and third on the way for MC 13:30 Nydus on the way for Losira
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Losira spawns the nydus worm at the main of MC unleashing lings everywhere
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damn. that nydus was anticlimactic. MC holds off both that and the attack on his third. so gud
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What the hell is going on with the stream, it randomly rewinds and skips forward too.
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EPT
