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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty. Pretty spot on imo. If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference. think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.) I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it. There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying. I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff. I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving. No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.
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On June 04 2011 16:37 WCH wrote:How do you skip?
You cannot skip as far as i'm aware.
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On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.
That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.
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On June 04 2011 16:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty. Pretty spot on imo. If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference. think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.) I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it. There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying. I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff. Show me a game where drops are stopped by fungal and I'll show you a bad terran.
I've seen soo many drops rofl stomped by fungals, just reference a whole bunch of NASL ZvT games.
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On June 04 2011 16:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty. Pretty spot on imo. If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference. think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.) I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it. There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying. I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff. Show me a game where drops are stopped by fungal and I'll show you a bad terran.
I see it happen any time a Terran goes for heavy drop play (it happened multiple times today in Sheth's games and Idra's) vs. a competent Zerg. Fungal is instantaneous and last I checked dropships have no counter measures. It doesn't matter who the Terran is. It does matter who the Zerg is.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.
No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg, leading to them falling behind in worker count and income  you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.
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On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.
the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P
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On June 04 2011 16:37 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty. Pretty spot on imo. If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference. think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.) I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it. There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying. I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff. I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving. No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.
Blue flame gets countered by even speedlings unfortunately, medivacs get countered by mutas, and infestors are not a big investment since u need infestation pit anyway for hive.
Its less of an investment than making a factory in TvP while going for pure bio just so u can build a starport.
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all the results are expected. i dont really get the balance whine here.
idra, losira, moon, even sheth has been doing welll lately so wasnt too surprise.
naniwa, mc, are doing well. kiwikaki was kind of a shocker thats hes 0-2 but with mma, sheth , sjow in his group it he wasnt much of a favorite.
mma, select was the only terrans you should be favoriting... select was in the group of death so anything can happen there. mma obviously owning atm.
overall i say the expected players are on top.
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On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing. the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P
I have seen terran/protoss players play just fine when their actually expanding and not staying on 2 bases while the zerg is on 4-5. Plexa is correct when I have seen terrans actually expanding and actually macroing they do just fine, same goes with protoss. Hell I can tell you its scary facing a protoss that gets on 4 bases, very scary at how fast they can replenish their army due to warpgates and 2 robo's.
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On June 04 2011 16:38 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:37 WCH wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Dingobloo wrote:On June 04 2011 16:27 papaz wrote:
man a lot can be said of MLG. Great tourney and good livestream but what the hell:
- are they vods and where are they? Not easy to find them at all? No, not for a while, the replays though at in the brackets. they're currently doing a restream of todays stuff, but it's a recording, so it's at different positions for everyone and you can't skip through it. Which is on: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Redhttp://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Blue(blue takes like 30 minutes to get to tastosis and another 30 to get into their match) How do you skip? You cannot skip as far as i'm aware.
no, looks like you can skip but it takes a long time.
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Idra vs MC series was an instant classic....
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On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg, leading to them falling behind in worker count and income you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.
Well, by the design of the game, it's impossible not to fall behind in worker count vs. Zerg since they can create multiple workers at a time, a feature that grows exponentially throughout the game as their hatch count increases.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing. the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P
idk game 2 of idra vs mc seems to disagree. both players similar bases all games long, and idras gets the edge because he gets tech (infestors) whereas MC avoids templar (which is the proper response).
On June 04 2011 16:46 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg, leading to them falling behind in worker count and income you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing. Well, by the design of the game, it's impossible not to fall behind in worker count vs. Zerg since they can create multiple workers at a time, a feature that grows exponentially throughout the game as their hatch count increases.
idk i disagree with that. I think that most of the "zerg needs to be one base ahead' mentality is a consequence of BW where that was the case, but in SC2 if the Zerg is one base ahead they actually have an advantage (economically). Lots of players just seem to accept the one base ahead rule which puts them behind. You'd be surprised at how chronoboosted probes can keep up with larvae inject, and how (using the 1 mule = +4 scvs rule) Terran don't fall behind with 3 orbitals
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So if I understand the brackets and the tournament correctly, this is who is remaining in the open bracket to play tomorrow with the top 12 of the 16 advancing to Championship bracket. I'm not entirely sure how you determine the top 12 other than super extensive placement matches for losers so this could take a while to do.
Cruncher/Axslav
MajOr/Bonkarooni
Agh/Pokebunny
Catz/July
Thorzain/xSixShadow
KawaiiRice/Namhcir
Morrow/SLoG
Fenix/ViBE
Pretty sick lineup, I don't recognize some of them (Bonkarooni, Shadow), but everyone else pretty much deserves to be there. It's nice to see July making his way up the open bracket so that his trip wasn't a waste. Only possible upsets I can see of the players are TT1, qxc (though he lost to Thorzain), LzGamer, StrifeCro, DeMuslim.
I apologize if I didn't include someone else who is notable, I was kinda skimming.
http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-open.html
http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-open.html
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On June 04 2011 16:37 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty. Pretty spot on imo. If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference. think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.) I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it. There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying. I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff. I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving. No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.
Its defintely weaker compared to storm in context since storm+colossus was just luls but yea it is a strong spell and if you compare it out of context it is definitely stronger than storm. I am just quite surprised why I haven't seen infestor drops in mineral line cause when zerg explores that I think the game is gonna be silly.
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On June 04 2011 16:46 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho. Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly. That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes. No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing. the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P idk game 2 of idra vs mc seems to disagree. both players similar bases all games long, and idras gets the edge because he gets tech (infestors) whereas MC avoids templar (which is the proper response).
To be fair, idra could have (at almost any point) switched to pure roach production and rolled over MC.
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