• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:57
CEST 08:57
KST 15:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL50Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports?
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Help: rep cant save Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 660 users

MLG Day1 LR Thread - Page 389

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 387 388 389 390 391 401 Next
Recordings of todays games are playing on http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red and http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Blue - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=229478&currentpage=389#7772 for how to skip to games
SundeR.
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 07:49:56
June 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#7761
On June 04 2011 16:46 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg, leading to them falling behind in worker count and income you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

Well, by the design of the game, it's impossible not to fall behind in worker count vs. Zerg since they can create multiple workers at a time, a feature that grows exponentially throughout the game as their hatch count increases.


What.. stop making things up please.

If you consistantly chrono boost probes on two Nexii then you'll be ahead in drones until the zerg third goes up. Terran has MULEs which always means the Terran should be ahead of the Zerg economically depending on the number of Orbital's you have. I understand that the advantage of MULE's is fleeting but the advantage normally counterbalances the disadvantage over time.

Also, both races have extremely cost-efficient units whilst Zerg simply does not.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#7762
On June 04 2011 16:48 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:46 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P

idk game 2 of idra vs mc seems to disagree. both players similar bases all games long, and idras gets the edge because he gets tech (infestors) whereas MC avoids templar (which is the proper response).

To be fair, idra could have (at almost any point) switched to pure roach production and rolled over MC.

Isn't that what he was doing all game long?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#7763
On June 04 2011 16:48 xbankx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:37 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july

I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty.


Pretty spot on imo.

If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference.

think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.)


I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it.

There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying.

I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff.


I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving.
No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.


Its defintely weaker compared to storm in context since storm+colossus was just luls but yea it is a strong spell and if you compare it out of context it is definitely stronger than storm. I am just quite surprised why I haven't seen infestor drops in mineral line cause when zerg explores that I think the game is gonna be silly.

Because baneling drops are stronger/more cost efficient.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#7764
On June 04 2011 16:49 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:48 youngminii wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:46 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P

idk game 2 of idra vs mc seems to disagree. both players similar bases all games long, and idras gets the edge because he gets tech (infestors) whereas MC avoids templar (which is the proper response).

To be fair, idra could have (at almost any point) switched to pure roach production and rolled over MC.

Isn't that what he was doing all game long?

I thought he was half half macroing and making units. Could be wrong though, the game was at like 6am or something :D
lalala
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#7765
On June 04 2011 16:48 Emporio wrote:
So if I understand the brackets and the tournament correctly, this is who is remaining in the open bracket to play tomorrow with the top 12 of the 16 advancing to Championship bracket. I'm not entirely sure how you determine the top 12 other than super extensive placement matches for losers so this could take a while to do.


Cruncher/Axslav
MajOr/Bonkarooni

Agh/Pokebunny
Catz/July

Thorzain/xSixShadow
KawaiiRice/Namhcir

Morrow/SLoG
Fenix/ViBE



Pretty sick lineup, I don't recognize some of them (Bonkarooni, Shadow), but everyone else pretty much deserves to be there. It's nice to see July making his way up the open bracket so that his trip wasn't a waste. Only possible upsets I can see of the players are TT1, qxc (though he lost to Thorzain), LzGamer, StrifeCro, DeMuslim.

I apologize if I didn't include someone else who is notable, I was kinda skimming.

http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-open.html

http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-columbus-starcraft2-open.html


its not pool play that determines who advances to teh championship bracket. The final 4 out of the winners bracket go into pool play and the other 12 go into the championship bracket. (assuming they can beat the person who is advanced out of the losers open bracket)
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 07:52:37
June 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#7766
Just thought I'd put a note here

The Open Brackets are Wrong, eMgDarkcell defeated Bonkerooni 2-1
(Not the other way round) for those who are wondering, and as such there shall be an epic rematch of the Gosucup group stages between eMgDarkcell and SixjaxMajor!
| QuanticGaming.com | There is no greater feeling then to find order in the chaos, as you slip the puzzle pieces in place.
naolin
Profile Joined March 2011
United States81 Posts
June 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#7767
On June 04 2011 16:46 piplup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:38 Dingobloo wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:37 WCH wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Dingobloo wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:27 papaz wrote:
man a lot can be said of MLG. Great tourney and good livestream but what the hell:

- are they vods and where are they? Not easy to find them at all?


No, not for a while, the replays though at in the brackets. they're currently doing a restream of todays stuff, but it's a recording, so it's at different positions for everyone and you can't skip through it.

Which is on:

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Blue

(blue takes like 30 minutes to get to tastosis and another 30 to get into their match)


How do you skip?


You cannot skip as far as i'm aware.

no, looks like you can skip but it takes a long time.


How? clicking on anything just makes it restart
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7768
On June 04 2011 16:49 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:48 xbankx wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:37 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july

I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty.


Pretty spot on imo.

If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference.

think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.)


I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it.

There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying.

I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff.


I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving.
No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.


Its defintely weaker compared to storm in context since storm+colossus was just luls but yea it is a strong spell and if you compare it out of context it is definitely stronger than storm. I am just quite surprised why I haven't seen infestor drops in mineral line cause when zerg explores that I think the game is gonna be silly.

Because baneling drops are stronger/more cost efficient.

Dno about that. They're good at straight up trading armies and hence compounding an existing macro advantage but I dno about whether they're cost efficient in a equal economy game.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
WhiteraCares
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden339 Posts
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7769
How does the open losers bracket work? Can they still qualify for the pool spots, does the final 4 of the losers bracket go up against the final 4 of the winners bracket, etc etc?
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7770
I just watched Julys games ... He is sick. He doesnt wanna play macro games with ppl. Logest game was 9:07 ( game time ) LOL.
I'm getting the derection.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7771
On June 04 2011 16:46 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P


I have seen terran/protoss players play just fine when their actually expanding and not staying on 2 bases while the zerg is on 4-5. Plexa is correct when I have seen terrans actually expanding and actually macroing they do just fine, same goes with protoss. Hell I can tell you its scary facing a protoss that gets on 4 bases, very scary at how fast they can replenish their army due to warpgates and 2 robo's.


Then luls at them when you realize gateway units aren't really good against roaches anyways.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 07:54:21
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7772
[image loading]
Click on Idra vs MC to skip the whole introduction

TLO vs Losira is also there


GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#7773
On June 04 2011 16:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:49 youngminii wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:48 xbankx wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:37 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:36 xbankx wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:33 Devolved wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:22 SundeR. wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:20 nAgeDitto wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:17 Nolot wrote:
Not surprised zergs are owning, after all the insane buffs they got recently. I'm thinking a ZvZ final for this one, IdrA vs july

I wouldn't say its the insane buff. If you think about it they're last buff was like 2 patches ago. I just think they're finally figuring out how to play Zerg, just like Protoss players finally figured out how to play protoss despite the constant nerf ever since the beginning of the release of wings of liberty.


Pretty spot on imo.

If you look at the play style of zergs of early sc2 and zergs of now, theres a MASSIVE difference.

think thats what is leading to a huge 'rise' of zergs in major tourneys (of course players that were great even w/ the 'wrong' playstyle pretty much performed well.)


I would like to know about this 'insane' buff and where I can read up on it.

There's a big difference between Protoss figuring out how to exploit various ridiculousness versus particular races and Zerg figuring out how to adapt to all of those ridiculous exploitations, just saying.

I'd say Roach range and Fungal damage/time were some pretty huge buffs. You can read up on them in the patch notes. I'm not saying it's OP, but it definitely increased Zerg's chances of winning. Helions and Reapers can no longer kite Roaches and any type of bio play or drop play is much harder now due to the Fungal buff.


I start with 40-50 marines by the time I get to a zergs base Im down to like 20 marines. Fungal is the storm that just keeps giving.
No doubt fungal is a really good spell, but it's not like there are equally good things in the Terran arsenal. Blue flame hellions? Medivac drops? Too early to conclude that the fungal buffs made it imba, especially considering the investment that infestors are.


Its defintely weaker compared to storm in context since storm+colossus was just luls but yea it is a strong spell and if you compare it out of context it is definitely stronger than storm. I am just quite surprised why I haven't seen infestor drops in mineral line cause when zerg explores that I think the game is gonna be silly.

Because baneling drops are stronger/more cost efficient.

Dno about that. They're good at straight up trading armies and hence compounding an existing macro advantage but I dno about whether they're cost efficient in a equal economy game.

I meant into the mineral line <.<

also come visit sea some time, i'm lonely without you
lalala
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 04 2011 07:53 GMT
#7774
i'll say it again Idra vs Mc series was an instant classic !
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 04 2011 07:53 GMT
#7775
On June 04 2011 16:52 zYwi3c wrote:
I just watched Julys games ... He is sick. He doesnt wanna play macro games with ppl. Logest game was 9:07 ( game time ) LOL.



He probably realizes he has to play a ton of games and if he loses a game he can just macro the next game so kill them fast and save stamina.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
June 04 2011 07:54 GMT
#7776
On June 04 2011 16:53 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:52 zYwi3c wrote:
I just watched Julys games ... He is sick. He doesnt wanna play macro games with ppl. Logest game was 9:07 ( game time ) LOL.



He probably realizes he has to play a ton of games and if he loses a game he can just macro the next game so kill them fast and save stamina.


When it comes to July though, it's totally possible that's not even what he's thinking. It might just be his play style.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Svizcy
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovenia300 Posts
June 04 2011 07:54 GMT
#7777
How do you skip intro and stuff? I had to refresh the blue stream once and now i'm watching everything all over again. =__=
TDN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States133 Posts
June 04 2011 07:54 GMT
#7778
On June 04 2011 16:15 sc14s wrote:
lol, rewatching idra vs mc because it was so epic :D


It's not epic. It's that he finally beats MC in a BO3. It's the proudest thing ever happened to foreign community.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 04 2011 07:54 GMT
#7779
Kawaii and Fenix gogo !
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
June 04 2011 07:55 GMT
#7780
On June 04 2011 16:46 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

the issue with expoing as fast them is they can swap over to pure army much faster than you and overrun your expos. this especially goes for P

idk game 2 of idra vs mc seems to disagree. both players similar bases all games long, and idras gets the edge because he gets tech (infestors) whereas MC avoids templar (which is the proper response).
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 16:46 Devolved wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:41 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:39 SuperStyle wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:28 Plexa wrote:
On June 04 2011 16:25 dc302 wrote:
Are people forgetting that part of the reason why Zergs are 'dominating' right now may be because its Losira, Moon and Idra playing? As in, it's more to do with the players themselves, rather than the race imho.

Sorry but that's a crap argument ... by implication are you saying that there are no talented players playing other races

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG_Columbus_Red/ game 2 of idra vs MC coming up

The reason protoss are losing against zerg at the moment is that they are all being outmacroed really really badly.


That is because both Terran and Protoss cant match zergs macro as a race in the late game, their goal is simple... Kill the zerg before he gets 4-5 bases because from that point ur only chance of winning is if the zerg makes some really bad mistakes.

No it's because Terran and Protoss don't expand aggressively enough against a macro oriented zerg, leading to them falling behind in worker count and income you either need to timing push to kill them, or expand at a similar timing.

Well, by the design of the game, it's impossible not to fall behind in worker count vs. Zerg since they can create multiple workers at a time, a feature that grows exponentially throughout the game as their hatch count increases.

idk i disagree with that. I think that most of the "zerg needs to be one base ahead' mentality is a consequence of BW where that was the case, but in SC2 if the Zerg is one base ahead they actually have an advantage (economically). Lots of players just seem to accept the one base ahead rule which puts them behind. You'd be surprised at how chronoboosted probes can keep up with larvae inject, and how (using the 1 mule = +4 scvs rule) Terran don't fall behind with 3 orbitals


I think game one of Idra vs MC is a greater example of why no protoss do it, you just get too spread out if you want anything to do with collosus. While I agree that "Zerg needs to be 1 base ahead always!" is really stupid, i've just yet to see a strategy that keeps a third safe at a similar timing to a zerg even when you get your natural up at a similar time.
Prev 1 387 388 389 390 391 401 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech75
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3312
actioN 382
Larva 342
Sharp 45
Aegong 38
Noble 16
Sacsri 6
Bale 3
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm176
League of Legends
JimRising 752
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K855
Other Games
summit1g9559
shahzam1251
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 35
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH329
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota297
League of Legends
• Rush1486
• Lourlo1439
• Stunt500
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3h 3m
herO vs SHIN
Reynor vs Cure
OSC
6h 3m
WardiTV European League
9h 3m
Scarlett vs Percival
Jumy vs ArT
YoungYakov vs Shameless
uThermal vs Fjant
Nicoract vs goblin
Harstem vs Gerald
FEL
9h 3m
Big Brain Bouts
9h 3m
Korean StarCraft League
20h 3m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 3h
FEL
1d 9h
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
FEL
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.