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Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
May 23 2011 01:38 GMT
#341
Foods even.
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
May 23 2011 01:38 GMT
#342
SCVs can be repaired AND healed?!
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#343
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.


It's more like Tyler says MC plays risky which implies he thinks it's not the best way to play. MC stomps nerds and wins multiple championships. Tyler's playstyle flounders around not winning anything. That's why people get annoyed when Tyler criticized MC. It's not really right to say someone is playing wrong when they are winning consistently.

I can't get excited about this TvT...
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#344
Anyone else bugging out on the adds? I'm just getting a blank black screen now instead of seeing any add. This stays up indefinitely. Using IE on Windows 7 with no add-blocker or anything.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#345
should have sniped the dropships...
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#346
Pretty sure no one in the world didn't think Tyler would be 2-0ed by Sen, but that's more because Sen is such a great player. Cut Tyler some slack.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#347
On May 23 2011 10:38 branflakes14 wrote:
SCVs can be repaired AND healed?!

Yes sir. Other Scv can repair them (maybe mules, not sure) and medivacs can also heal them. Not that big of a deal though.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#348
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.


Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.
Dodge arrows
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#349
On May 23 2011 10:33 Jman5 wrote:
Wow, he canceled his OC? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing that. He must be nervous.

Oh man, canceling an OC is bad but canceling Warpgate research in PvP(personal story) is foijawdopijaodijawdcacamcpoamspcaojkdapwokdpawodkapokcfpadokapdo
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 01:41:56
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#350
On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.

I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making.

Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky.


Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.

They mean the same thing...

MC is still the best Protoss so you can't say he plays too risky. He used bad builds against Polt yeah, it happens. It just happened to Tyler too.
outerspace02
Profile Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#351
On May 23 2011 10:39 Zooper31 wrote:
Anyone else bugging out on the adds? I'm just getting a blank black screen now instead of seeing any add. This stays up indefinitely. Using IE on Windows 7 with no add-blocker or anything.


its a broken ad on JTV's part, report it on their forums or something. they've had bad ads that break the stream/dont play before and they normally fix it quickly

refresh and hope you get a different ad next time. or use an adblocker
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
May 23 2011 01:39 GMT
#352
On May 23 2011 10:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:36 durza wrote:
Tyler obviously isn't playing well, but come on people, one poor series isn't a reason to say t hat his entire career is dead, losing to sen doesn't make him some failure scrub as some posters seem to be implying.


The only reason people are saying that is because, from what I've heard, Tyler's said that he thought about quitting.


Oh I didn't know.
What is sure if that if he want to compete with the very best, he'll have to dedicate himself at 100% because the level is rising day after day.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
May 23 2011 01:40 GMT
#353
painuser is playing great right now
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
May 23 2011 01:40 GMT
#354
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.


so what's your point in the end? you original post seems to be critical of tyler. are you critical of his "risky" build? or critical of his criticism of MC simply because he played "risky" in this series?

if it's the latter, my point stands. if it's the former, then perhaps you should word your criticisms better than this
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 01:41:09
May 23 2011 01:40 GMT
#355
nevermind. question answered by stream
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
May 23 2011 01:40 GMT
#356
lol ring around the marines
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 01:44:31
May 23 2011 01:40 GMT
#357
On May 23 2011 10:39 Diks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:36 durza wrote:
Tyler obviously isn't playing well, but come on people, one poor series isn't a reason to say t hat his entire career is dead, losing to sen doesn't make him some failure scrub as some posters seem to be implying.


The only reason people are saying that is because, from what I've heard, Tyler's said that he thought about quitting.


Oh I didn't know.
What is sure if that if he want to compete with the very best, he'll have to dedicate himself at 100% because the level is rising day after day.


Didn't he half-heartedly play in BW and still win TSL2?
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 23 2011 01:41 GMT
#358
This TvT is down and dirty
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
May 23 2011 01:41 GMT
#359
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.

No, it isn't.

From wikipedia

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.


Firstly tyler is fully qualified to make that assessment of MC's play. Secondly Tyler never claimed not to have risky play himself.

Manner up and learn what things mean before you start flinging accusations around.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
May 23 2011 01:42 GMT
#360
On May 23 2011 10:39 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.

I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making.

Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky.


no it's not.
if you want to play it safe, you play forge before nexus.

he didn't in game 1, that's why he lost. why he did it after seeing the roaches, i don't know. but he could have played it safely while defending against the roaches.

in game 2 he saw a shitton of lings, so he knew there wouldn't be roaches immediatly, so his opening was safe.
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