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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 01:48:36
May 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#381
On May 23 2011 10:39 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build?

And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.

I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making.

Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky.

Show nested quote +

Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.

They mean the same thing...

MC is still the best Protoss so you can't say he plays too risky. He used bad builds against Polt yeah, it happens. It just happened to Tyler too.


No it's not. Saying he criticized MC is implying Tyler called him out or said his style was bad or something. That's not the case at all. Its much closer to say tyler analzyed MC's style, and pointed out its strengths and weaknesses. That's not hypocritical at all. Of course MC's winrate was higher because he was getting away with so many greedy builds. Of course an opponent who analyzes you is going to be an inherent weakness if you take so many risks every single game. Anybody can see that, even I could point it out

MC's builds vs Polt weren't bad, they were just incredibly risky. MC has been doing those kind of builds for like 3 seasons now
Dodge arrows
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#382
On May 23 2011 10:44 Maliris wrote:
painuser doesnt even have siege mode

If you've ever watched his stream thats pretty standard lol <3 Painuser
Hi
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#383
Tpain ggs
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#384
This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 23 2011 01:45 GMT
#385
On May 23 2011 10:45 branflakes14 wrote:
Looks like that failed drop could've lost PainUser the game.


He tried it because he was already behind, but after he saw that Drewbie was prepared, he went for it anyways because he had nothing else going for him really...
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#386
PainUser wasn't building SCV's at 700.

PainUser was scanned and only did a half drop and lost halfway.

Dude, what's going on, man?

I was a fan.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#387
Drewbie showing a solid game there.

2nd best NA terran after Select imho.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#388
PainUser was ahead all the game, and lost like that. Shame.
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#389
I like "problematic"
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#390
On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing?

He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#391
u can see from this tvt that drewbie and painuser on a level lower than the better players of sc2
Xanderk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States51 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#392
Don't take no GRUFF!
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 23 2011 01:46 GMT
#393
On May 23 2011 10:46 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing?

He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.

sad to hear I loved his thor play
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
May 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#394
On May 23 2011 10:45 zyzq wrote:
This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.


Well, that's mean...
Sadly it's true
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
May 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#395
On May 23 2011 10:45 zyzq wrote:
This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.

Yes, this game was pretty brutal, can't imagine a game worse than this in the NASL, still have yet to watch artosis vs grubby vod.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#396
On May 23 2011 10:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:39 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
[quote]
And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky...


he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem?

No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not.


so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/


his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible


it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe.

tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything.

Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical.

I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making.

Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky.


Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.

They mean the same thing...

MC is still the best Protoss so you can't say he plays too risky. He used bad builds against Polt yeah, it happens. It just happened to Tyler too.


No it's not. Saying he criticized MC is implying Tyler called him out or said his style was bad or something. That's not the case at all. Its much closer to say tyler analzyed MC's style, and pointed out its strengths and weaknesses. That's not hypocritical at all


He said pretty flat out, "It's very all in, I don't like his style".

I'm not siding with anyone here, just want to point out that those were pretty much his conclusive words in regards to MC.

Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 23 2011 01:47 GMT
#397
Poor showing by both players, hope they turn it around in G2
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 23 2011 01:48 GMT
#398
On May 23 2011 10:46 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing?

He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.


Ugh I hope that means AFTER the NASL. Why would anybody tune in to watch a player who is sandbagging b/c he doesn't care or practice anymore? I hope when he said that he meant after he gets knocked out of the NASL.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 23 2011 01:48 GMT
#399
Why do people think Tyler is top tier sc2?
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
May 23 2011 01:48 GMT
#400
Just how loud is that ad? I don't mind ads, but it's retarded how loud it is.
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