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On May 23 2011 10:39 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:On May 23 2011 10:15 Heaton31 wrote:
Is this supposed to be a safe build? And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky... he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem? No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not. so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/ his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe. tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything. Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical. I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making. Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky. Show nested quote +
Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.
They mean the same thing... MC is still the best Protoss so you can't say he plays too risky. He used bad builds against Polt yeah, it happens. It just happened to Tyler too.
No it's not. Saying he criticized MC is implying Tyler called him out or said his style was bad or something. That's not the case at all. Its much closer to say tyler analzyed MC's style, and pointed out its strengths and weaknesses. That's not hypocritical at all. Of course MC's winrate was higher because he was getting away with so many greedy builds. Of course an opponent who analyzes you is going to be an inherent weakness if you take so many risks every single game. Anybody can see that, even I could point it out
MC's builds vs Polt weren't bad, they were just incredibly risky. MC has been doing those kind of builds for like 3 seasons now
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On May 23 2011 10:44 Maliris wrote:
painuser doesnt even have siege mode
If you've ever watched his stream thats pretty standard lol <3 Painuser
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.
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On May 23 2011 10:45 branflakes14 wrote:
Looks like that failed drop could've lost PainUser the game.
He tried it because he was already behind, but after he saw that Drewbie was prepared, he went for it anyways because he had nothing else going for him really...
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United States4796 Posts
PainUser wasn't building SCV's at 700.
PainUser was scanned and only did a half drop and lost halfway.
Dude, what's going on, man?
I was a fan. 
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Drewbie showing a solid game there.
2nd best NA terran after Select imho.
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PainUser was ahead all the game, and lost like that. Shame.
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On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing?
He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.
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u can see from this tvt that drewbie and painuser on a level lower than the better players of sc2
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 23 2011 10:46 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing? He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.
sad to hear I loved his thor play
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On May 23 2011 10:45 zyzq wrote:
This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.
Well, that's mean...
Sadly it's true
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On May 23 2011 10:45 zyzq wrote:
This is like watching TvT's from GSL season 1.
Yes, this game was pretty brutal, can't imagine a game worse than this in the NASL, still have yet to watch artosis vs grubby vod.
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On May 23 2011 10:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 10:39 Yaotzin wrote:On May 23 2011 10:37 GP wrote:On May 23 2011 10:35 Yaotzin wrote:On May 23 2011 10:33 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:30 SKtheAnathema wrote:On May 23 2011 10:28 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:26 Moonwrath wrote:On May 23 2011 10:26 fush wrote:On May 23 2011 10:16 Yaotzin wrote:
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And this is Tyler, who criticises MC for playing risky... he can criticize mc just as you are criticizing him. what's the problem? No, he can't criticize MC. MC is a proven winner, Tyler is not. so i'm guessing 99% of the posters here should shut up about pro players then :/ his point was the hypocrisy. tyler said mc's play is risky and has holes while his builds are worse and his play is not flexible it doesn't matter what tyler's play or builds are like... why can't you see that??! tyler's play has NO EFFECT on whether MC's builds are risky or not! he's always just been pointing out his OPINION that MC plays risky, which isn't exactly hard to believe. tyler may have played poorly in these games, but that doesn't change anything. Tyler said MC plays too risky. Tyler plays risky. This is hypocritical. I don't know what your definition of "risky" is, but Tyler played that very safe, he just had terrible execution and decision making. Opening 2gate expand is almost entirely reliant on the zerg FEing. I call that risky.
Tyler never said "he plays too risky", he said the reason MC is winning is because his risks are working and eventually they won't work as well and he'll get punished for it. That's exactly what happened, almost word for word. MC's pushes vs july in the GSL finals worked so well because he always got such an early nexus to power his 6 gates. MC got knocked out of the GSL because Poltprime, who is way worse than MC in every way, did a counter build to MC's stupidly early nexus....twice. So yea, tyler was completely right and this isn't hypocritical.
They mean the same thing... MC is still the best Protoss so you can't say he plays too risky. He used bad builds against Polt yeah, it happens. It just happened to Tyler too. No it's not. Saying he criticized MC is implying Tyler called him out or said his style was bad or something. That's not the case at all. Its much closer to say tyler analzyed MC's style, and pointed out its strengths and weaknesses. That's not hypocritical at all
He said pretty flat out, "It's very all in, I don't like his style".
I'm not siding with anyone here, just want to point out that those were pretty much his conclusive words in regards to MC.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Poor showing by both players, hope they turn it around in G2
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On May 23 2011 10:46 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 10:45 GuiltyJerk wrote:
Painuser like doesn't know what to do with his leads =/ Anyone know how much he's been practicing? He isn't going to play competitively anymore. He said he was focusing 100% on casting now.
Ugh I hope that means AFTER the NASL. Why would anybody tune in to watch a player who is sandbagging b/c he doesn't care or practice anymore? I hope when he said that he meant after he gets knocked out of the NASL.
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Why do people think Tyler is top tier sc2?
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Just how loud is that ad? I don't mind ads, but it's retarded how loud it is.
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EPT
