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On May 20 2011 11:18 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 20 2011 11:11 Whitewing wrote:On May 20 2011 11:09 Zephirdd wrote:
Anyone else feels that Moman can't stand a macro game and only wins with all-ins? I mean, the game where he could make whatever he wanted, he lacked creep spread and tech, but the other games he just went for NesTea's ling/roach timing..
It kinda sucks, is every ZvP going to be like that? Protoss is very weak at that timing, and zergs are learning now that the 3 gate expand with just sentries followed by fast tech (iNcontroL was building a robo) is greedy. It's necessary for the game to evolve that zergs punish protoss at that timing, so that protoss will start playing a little less greedy, which will give zergs a little bit of an easier time. One of the reasons the deathball is so strong is that toss gets away with playing greedy early on to get an edge: stop letting them do that, and it gets easier later. Well I wouldn't say it's unreasonably greedy as it is defendable, it's just for some reason a lot of toss players are failing hard when it comes to defending it. Not that it's easy to do but still.. If it's very hard to defend (it is) then your play is greedier than it should be at that point: you're taking a risk for a potential benefit. Protoss players have been doing this for a very long time now, and teching immediately after expanding is greedy play. To play safe after that expo, you need to throw down more gateways and pump units for a short while before you get the robo, and tech slowly. iNcontroL was getting +1 weapons and a robo when that attack hit, and his army was less than half the size of MoMaN's. The definition of greedy is trying to get a big economic or tech edge without being able to defend effectively, and that's what we're seeing repeatedly with that roach/ling timing. Rather than going immediately robo, it might be wise to get hallucinate, pump more units, and get a slower robo and get upgrades after the phoenix scout.
Seriously, I have yet to see a single Protoss hold off the all-in in a live casted game in any tournament, it is NOT easy to defend regardless of not getting fast robo or +1. Getting a robo isn't greedy either, it is being safe because you need that observer
Watch White-ras 12weeks with the pros from yesterday, even he says it is difficult
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Man Sjow, u need to start scouting more  . U lose so many games because people are abusing that.
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SJOW MISSES THE THIRD
he thinks he's playing against similar timings but cruncher is going to be soo far ahead
the casters are actually doing well together
cruncher on three racks with a factory
cruncher getting four gates and a robo
the hidden expo is gonna make a huge difference.
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On May 20 2011 11:21 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:20 hifriend wrote:
this is the cheesiest cheese I have ever seen everything protoss does is cheese it seems ive long since stopped caring about the QQ
I wish everyone would stop caring.
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TB mic seem to be getting messed up
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lol TB's machine parts are slowing falling apart
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Whoa, what's with totalbiscuit's audio? :o
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OMG TB changing into a robot unicorn
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TB still in robot mode!!!! lol
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I wish Gretorp would tell him about the mic :|
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Australia8532 Posts
SjoW now has 3 bunkers up at the ramp to his main; He still has no idea about Cruncher's third
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On May 20 2011 11:21 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:20 hifriend wrote:
this is the cheesiest cheese I have ever seen everything protoss does is cheese it seems ive long since stopped caring about the QQ
there is no such thing as cheese =/
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lol ... totalbiscuit writes a small novel about how to cast
doesn't even have a mic that works
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Stim is done researching, Sjow may hit a good timing here.
edit; ok he's more or less dead, Cruncher's army is out of control.
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two starports for sjow, sjow bunkering up, cruncher breaks the half rock at the natural
sjow moving out with marines and medivacs
sjow finally takse a third but cruncher is looking really strong
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Canada13410 Posts
cruncher has a lot of stalkers, and stalkers dont do well against terran bio :/
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On May 20 2011 11:21 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:20 hifriend wrote:
this is the cheesiest cheese I have ever seen everything protoss does is cheese it seems ive long since stopped caring about the QQ
lol I'm not qqing, but that's economic cheese if I've ever seen it.
it gets scouted = he dies
sjow does one of several timings = he dies
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EPT
