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United States7483 Posts
On May 20 2011 11:22 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:18 Whitewing wrote:On May 20 2011 11:13 Yaotzin wrote:On May 20 2011 11:11 Whitewing wrote:On May 20 2011 11:09 Zephirdd wrote:
Anyone else feels that Moman can't stand a macro game and only wins with all-ins? I mean, the game where he could make whatever he wanted, he lacked creep spread and tech, but the other games he just went for NesTea's ling/roach timing..
It kinda sucks, is every ZvP going to be like that? Protoss is very weak at that timing, and zergs are learning now that the 3 gate expand with just sentries followed by fast tech (iNcontroL was building a robo) is greedy. It's necessary for the game to evolve that zergs punish protoss at that timing, so that protoss will start playing a little less greedy, which will give zergs a little bit of an easier time. One of the reasons the deathball is so strong is that toss gets away with playing greedy early on to get an edge: stop letting them do that, and it gets easier later. Well I wouldn't say it's unreasonably greedy as it is defendable, it's just for some reason a lot of toss players are failing hard when it comes to defending it. Not that it's easy to do but still.. If it's very hard to defend (it is) then your play is greedier than it should be at that point: you're taking a risk for a potential benefit. Protoss players have been doing this for a very long time now, and teching immediately after expanding is greedy play. To play safe after that expo, you need to throw down more gateways and pump units for a short while before you get the robo, and tech slowly. iNcontroL was getting +1 weapons and a robo when that attack hit, and his army was less than half the size of MoMaN's. The definition of greedy is trying to get a big economic or tech edge without being able to defend effectively, and that's what we're seeing repeatedly with that roach/ling timing. Rather than going immediately robo, it might be wise to get hallucinate, pump more units, and get a slower robo and get upgrades after the phoenix scout. Seriously, I have yet to see a single Protoss hold off the all-in in a live casted game in any tournament, it is NOT easy to defend regardless of not getting fast robo or +1. You get Robo after because of any burrow timings but usually its fine to deal with it. Watch White-ras 12weeks with the pros from yesterday, even he says it is difficult
That's exactly right: my argument is that the 3 gate expand with just a bunch of sentries is, in fact, a greedy build. You need more muscle to defend, and you can't do that with just a bunch of sentries, followed immediately by teching. If you want to go with that fast robo, you need to throw down a bunch of cannons, not just 1-3 of them. Either that, or have some form of confirmation that they aren't doing an all-in.
EDIT: It's just the timing for when the nexus completes off of that 3 gate style. Either get the nexus down sooner to be safe at that timing (2 gate expand?), or delay it a little.
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Canada13379 Posts
Edit: nevermind they just showed the whole army all on one screen wow lol so much stuff
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On May 20 2011 11:23 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:21 Vimsey wrote:On May 20 2011 11:20 hifriend wrote:
this is the cheesiest cheese I have ever seen everything protoss does is cheese it seems ive long since stopped caring about the QQ there is no such thing as cheese =/
Yes there is.
Just because you don't like people overusing the word doesn't mean the term is invalid.
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Australia8532 Posts
SjoW now building vikings without seeing colossus? Or a stargate.
Blink is almost finished for Cruncher, SjoW building his third and adding on barracks
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Hehe I actually sort of like Cruncher :> Really liking his play here, at least.
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I wonder if Gretorp hears it properly but we hear it distorted because it is that whole recording of a recording being broadcast thing.
Or maybe I'm thinking of a reason to imagine Angelina Jolie as Lara Croft in that tight tank top.
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cruncher goes up to eight gates
plus 1/1 and blink on the way
sjow goiing for a drop!
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Sjow could check the amount of minerals to find out when it went up actually Mr Gretorp.
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On May 20 2011 11:22 Z3kk wrote:
Whoa, what's with totalbiscuit's audio? :o
Skype has been known to do this from time to time unfortunately.
lol ... totalbiscuit writes a small novel about how to cast
doesn't even have a mic that works
Sadly you can't blame me for Skype audio-artifacting when casting across an ocean. There is nothing wrong with my mic.
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LOL did cruncher shoot off a volley on his own nexus? 
Skype has been known to do this from time to time unfortunately.
Oh right, forgot it's just skype...I just leave audio on and switch tabs when the game ends so I didn't realize Gretorp was casting alone :D
Random question, is NASL casted live? I do know that the games are played in advance, but I forget >.<
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Focus the nexus, wtf is sjow doin oO
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sjow should've targeted the nexus =(.
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Canada13379 Posts
Stalkers blink up and take a volley on the nexus lol The stalkers did more damage than the marauders and marines did lol
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So far pretty impressed with Total Biscuit casting, despite occasional Borg assimilation
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On May 20 2011 11:22 Z3kk wrote:
Whoa, what's with totalbiscuit's audio? :o
he has a 2$ mic
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On May 20 2011 11:23 outerspace02 wrote:
lol ... totalbiscuit writes a small novel about how to cast
doesn't even have a mic that works
It's clearly a problem with the network and not the microphone, troll and/or be stupid elsewhere.
It is indeed not cheese, it's playing to the opponent. Scouting is good, kids.
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On May 20 2011 11:24 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 11:23 sc14s wrote:On May 20 2011 11:21 Vimsey wrote:On May 20 2011 11:20 hifriend wrote:
this is the cheesiest cheese I have ever seen everything protoss does is cheese it seems ive long since stopped caring about the QQ there is no such thing as cheese =/ Yes there is. Just because you don't like people overusing the word doesn't mean the term is invalid.
There is no such thing as cheese to me, if you would like me to clarify. I find its the player receiving the "cheese" whos fault it is to not figure it out. Thats just me, play to win, its the losers fault for losing.
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Australia8532 Posts
Cruncher has gone double forge and is heading towards 3/3 upgrades; ghost academy is up for SjoW with Cruncher going DTs as well
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Canada13379 Posts
On May 20 2011 11:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Skype has been known to do this from time to time unfortunately. Show nested quote +lol ... totalbiscuit writes a small novel about how to cast
doesn't even have a mic that works Sadly you can't blame me for Skype audio-artifacting when casting across an ocean. There is nothing wrong with my mic.
Are you sure your not a cyberman? :p
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drop kills some stuff but cruncher still ends up on top as sjow fails to snipe the nexus
blink is done for cruncher and he has great upgrades as well
gorgues blink for curncher snipes an almost full medivac but the medivac scouts the dark shrine
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