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thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
May 19 2011 13:31 GMT
#3901
i also like how MMA pulled back in some instances when hes in a disadvantage instead of doing a useless push like some terrans do
Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
May 19 2011 13:32 GMT
#3902
I think the main reason why this last game is being considered such a great game is simply because it was such a close game and mma did an amazing come back and it was the ace match of the final. Obviously DongRaeGu did a couple a mistake and he could have thrown a second evo chamber into an Hive and manage this game better but mma was really dictating the flow of the game by doing constant drop everywhere and denying the third and fourth with good tank push.

This might not be the best TvZ ever but it was definitely a game worthy of a gstl final and I'm glad we could end this serie on a great note like this.
Gaspa
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil109 Posts
May 19 2011 13:32 GMT
#3903
I only watched the last match... Man, DongRaeGu was so sure he had it that he got careless.

When he had about 20 mutas he could have gone and wrecked havoc at MMA's building facilities in the main, instead he opted on sacrificing all his forces on the terran's BW-style army.
"I cannot believe you were stupid enough to be offended by what I said" -- A. Schoenberg
sighco17
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia47 Posts
May 19 2011 13:32 GMT
#3904
On May 19 2011 22:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Bow down to Boxer again! I guess DRG can be beaten lol.


Course he can be beaten, him not being in GSL show's he can be beaten. He is a good player though, but I've seen hours of his first hand play when Xeph or whatever his name is used to stream him playing live. He is a very greedy player that relies on map distance to secure his win in MY opinion.

Good game none the less.
People should know when they are conquered
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
May 19 2011 13:33 GMT
#3905
On May 19 2011 22:29 Gescom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:27 twiitar wrote:
On May 19 2011 22:24 GGPope wrote:
I swear during every GSTL game where MMA gets behind, Boxer's voice comes into his head and starts cheering for him to the point where MMA just overloads with inspiration and goes into absolute psycho boss mode on his opponent. That guy has mind-blowing multi-tasking and decision making when he is in the zone.

Don't forget his analytical thinking which not only let him assess his own situation (gold is the most important thing to hold right now, my army is smaller than his) properly but also think ahead of how he could turn his disadvantage in food to an evened situation if not even advantage by leaving just enough defense for the gold to go ahead and drop his main army up to DRGs 5th, resulting in DRG instantly counter-attacking the Gold and losing a good lot of his army to it

Honestly I don't think that's worth much. Every terran knows that in late game on maps where there's a gold in the attack path (XNC) that PF+turrets+tanks on the gold is the ultimate goal...


It was when he decided to grab the gold and all the work he had to do to secure it first rather than just take it and immediately lose it (and the game) by grabbing it too fast. He pressured his way into safely expanding while causing the zerg to play defensively in extremely costly confrontations. Sure you can simplify it to PF+turrets+tanks on gold = win but getting to that point is sort of the discussion being had here.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 13:33 GMT
#3906
I hope the members of SotG get to watch this series. Would like to hear their thoughts on the Frozen/Keen game and the the final two matches. Pretty much the whole series was amazing.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 19 2011 13:34 GMT
#3907
On May 19 2011 22:33 Fionn wrote:
I hope the members of SotG get to watch this series. Would like to hear their thoughts on the Frozen/Keen game and the the final two matches. Pretty much the whole series was amazing.

Too bad it's another week till we have sotg :[
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
May 19 2011 13:35 GMT
#3908
On May 19 2011 22:33 Fionn wrote:
I hope the members of SotG get to watch this series. Would like to hear their thoughts on the Frozen/Keen game and the the final two matches. Pretty much the whole series was amazing.


Don't get your hopes up. They don't really concentrate on that unfortunately. They just brush it off, "yeah it was good" moving on. They never actually go into talking about the games =(
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#3909
On May 19 2011 22:32 Phemtos wrote:
I think the main reason why this last game is being considered such a great game is simply because it was such a close game and mma did an amazing come back and it was the ace match of the final. Obviously DongRaeGu did a couple a mistake and he could have thrown a second evo chamber into an Hive and manage this game better but mma was really dictating the flow of the game by doing constant drop everywhere and denying the third and fourth with good tank push.

This might not be the best TvZ ever but it was definitely a game worthy of a gstl final and I'm glad we could end this serie on a great note like this.

sC vs Nestea weren't without its mistakes also, IMO. Personally I don't think you can ever find a flawless SC1/SC2 game, especially when it gets to the super late game and your macro and multitasking skills have to be at the top.

What made it so great was that it was so nail-bitingly close, and both players made so few mistakes, that even the slightest ones made a big difference. Also the way MMA was so disadvantaged in the mid game because of DRG's crazy macro and then managing to claw his way back to take the win.
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 13:36:57
May 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#3910
MMA is strong, the game was awesome, but somewhere in my heart I wish that BoxeR would've captured that victory for SlayerS. so I am 99.99% satisfied

PS Cella you troll
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
May 19 2011 13:36 GMT
#3911
Wish people would stop asking why these players aren't in Code A/S. It's different skills for any of the tournaments. To get into Code A you need to be above average versus everything and have a good day. Playing Code A/S needs preparation and research, a very important skill. GSTL is all about sniping and not very hard on nerves so players play a bit more relaxed and do weird new stuff with a lot more courage - not like there's a lot on the line, GSTL is more for fun.

That's why GSTL will always be more entertaining than GSL, GSL will always look more mechanical, pre-planned, it is a lot about how you prepare pre-game and a bad decision there can destroy your entire match (Nestea v Inca, I doubt Inca is really that bad overall, he just got unlucky with pre game preparation, so did MMA vs Huk).

MMA and DRG will get there, eventually, but they do apparently need more training/preparation.
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
May 19 2011 13:37 GMT
#3912
Was such a good finals!
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 19 2011 13:38 GMT
#3913
On May 19 2011 22:33 Fionn wrote:
I hope the members of SotG get to watch this series. Would like to hear their thoughts on the Frozen/Keen game and the the final two matches. Pretty much the whole series was amazing.

Idra would probably just call DRG a bad player and say the game was pretty bad overall.

IMO drg is going to be the Bomber of Zerg. Fail constantly to get in code A, but once he gets in he dominates it and is put in the discussion as one of the very best zergs. I've seen loads of his games in first person on xeph's stream and he is very talented.

Delighted MMA won though, soooooo clutch!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 13:38 GMT
#3914
On May 19 2011 22:36 dakalro wrote:
Wish people would stop asking why these players aren't in Code A/S. It's different skills for any of the tournaments. To get into Code A you need to be above average versus everything and have a good day. Playing Code A/S needs preparation and research, a very important skill. GSTL is all about sniping and not very hard on nerves so players play a bit more relaxed and do weird new stuff with a lot more courage - not like there's a lot on the line, GSTL is more for fun.

That's why GSTL will always be more entertaining than GSL, GSL will always look more mechanical, pre-planned, it is a lot about how you prepare pre-game and a bad decision there can destroy your entire match (Nestea v Inca, I doubt Inca is really that bad overall, he just got unlucky with pre game preparation, so did MMA vs Huk).

MMA and DRG will get there, eventually, but they do apparently need more training/preparation.


Also getting into Code A is very difficult. You need to win countless matches in a row and not falter once. That's why Bomber took months and months to get in even after he was being hyped to be one of the best in the world. Then he finally got in and totally dismantled Code A.

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eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
May 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#3915
On May 19 2011 22:35 Vorlik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:33 Fionn wrote:
I hope the members of SotG get to watch this series. Would like to hear their thoughts on the Frozen/Keen game and the the final two matches. Pretty much the whole series was amazing.


Don't get your hopes up. They don't really concentrate on that unfortunately. They just brush it off, "yeah it was good" moving on. They never actually go into talking about the games =(


yea SotG is more like SoEG. if EG isn't involved in it, it won't get much airtime.
maryelizbethwinstead
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico223 Posts
May 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#3916
one day...ONE DAY...we shall see team liquid in the GSTL.
Lord, teach me to be patient.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
May 19 2011 13:40 GMT
#3917
The tension created by the Nestea vs SC game was many times greater than this game. There's nothing really special about this one. Comments about this game could be applied to several other pro games.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 19 2011 13:40 GMT
#3918
Regular GSTL will be so good on multiple levels. For us viewers obviously. But with that new prizepool it will influx some money into teams, it will allow us to discover new players...that's just awesome.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
May 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#3919
Reasons why MvP Team lost GSTL finals:
1- viOlet
2- ???
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 13:41 GMT
#3920
On May 19 2011 22:39 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
one day...ONE DAY...we shall see team liquid in the GSTL.


If TeamLiquid brought over players right now, they would be in the next GSTL.

Their current points would put them in the Top 10. Huk in Code S + Jinro in Code A is better than fOu, Ho Seo, and Fox. They would be 9th.

So if they could get like five or six people to come over to Korea for ten weeks for a tournament, they would be in.

Maybe they can get get something with GOM to let the people at the foreigner house play in the league on TL.
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