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On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up  You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles. How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game. Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead. Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy. I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3. That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.
Personally I prefer if skill is the only thing that matters, but that doesn't mean that competitive games must have no random elements at all.
However you can't deny that, when the player you're rooting for loses just because the RNG turned its back on him, you get a bit angry.
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On December 09 2011 16:13 Garnet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:11 trucane wrote:
Anyone know if Tastosis will cast the PL game? Probably not. They don't know much about BW anymore anyway.
They won't. Like last night the WCG streams will go down and we will have to switch to the OGN network streams for PL as no other games will be streamed during PL.
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On December 09 2011 16:09 Borgoto wrote:
What are the rules to tiebreak players with the same amount of points?
if there's 2 players : the one who won qualifies, if it's a 3-way tie (and they all beat eachother once), there there another series of games to break the tie, with hopefully one of the 3 going 0-2
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On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.
If anyone was upset, they would have brought it up in 2009 when it was actually in Chengdu... this year it's in Busan Korea
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On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.
Don't care, and this isn't the place to discuss it.
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On December 09 2011 16:14 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:13 Borgoto wrote:On December 09 2011 16:10 s4life wrote:On December 09 2011 16:09 Borgoto wrote:
What are the rules to tiebreak players with the same amount of points? I thought head-to-head would be the tiebreaker... But if you look at goody's group. They were in a 3 way tie. Did they play it out? Yes they did and he won. If it's three way they play it out.
So they played 3 more games? that's nice.
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On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles. How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game. Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead. Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy. I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3. That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.
It can be exciting, until good players lose multiple games that they were playing much better because their essential death knight got hit by 3 criticals in sequence.
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On December 09 2011 16:15 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things. If anyone was upset, they would have brought it up in 2009 when it was actually in Chengdu... this year it's in Busan Korea
i did bring it up back then too :3
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MAMMALIA not the place to bring that up and it's been there before as talismania has mentioned. It was actually highly successful.
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so what is the situation now?
any round-16 sketch?
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i bring it up here because supporting wcg is condoning them for their choice to hold wcg in china in light of what i already mentioned
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I hope this isn't a roflstomp...
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On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.
cmon dont go there seriously... With that logic lets not host anything in the states because of the genocide against the natives and for the low of good lets not host in anything in Germany, I mean we all know what they did just 70 years ago.
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I thought MacSed had 2 loses.
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On December 09 2011 16:17 Garnet wrote:
New Razer headphone?
Green one is Electra, and it's kinda like a cheaper version of banshee, w/o all the pretty lights.
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Wolf and Rottie casting Sen vs MVP? Yes please!
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Super match starting with Rottie casting between Sen and MVP bo3 on Stage 2
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On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles. How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game. Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead. Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy. I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3. That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.
Chance isn't bad, but there's a world of difference between seeing a Reaver drop that may decide the game and seeing an item drop that may decide the game for a spectator.
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