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Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4121
On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:
one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up

You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles.

How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game.

Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead.

Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy.

I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3.

That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.


Personally I prefer if skill is the only thing that matters, but that doesn't mean that competitive games must have no random elements at all.
However you can't deny that, when the player you're rooting for loses just because the RNG turned its back on him, you get a bit angry.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4122
On December 09 2011 16:13 Garnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:11 trucane wrote:
Anyone know if Tastosis will cast the PL game?

Probably not. They don't know much about BW anymore anyway.


They won't. Like last night the WCG streams will go down and we will have to switch to the OGN network streams for PL as no other games will be streamed during PL.
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada426 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4123
On December 09 2011 16:09 Borgoto wrote:
What are the rules to tiebreak players with the same amount of points?


if there's 2 players : the one who won qualifies, if it's a 3-way tie (and they all beat eachother once), there there another series of games to break the tie, with hopefully one of the 3 going 0-2
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4124
On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.


If anyone was upset, they would have brought it up in 2009 when it was actually in Chengdu... this year it's in Busan Korea
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4125
On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.


Don't care, and this isn't the place to discuss it.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
Borgoto
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada33 Posts
December 09 2011 07:15 GMT
#4126
On December 09 2011 16:14 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:13 Borgoto wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:10 s4life wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:09 Borgoto wrote:
What are the rules to tiebreak players with the same amount of points?


I thought head-to-head would be the tiebreaker...


But if you look at goody's group. They were in a 3 way tie. Did they play it out?


Yes they did and he won. If it's three way they play it out.


So they played 3 more games? that's nice.
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
December 09 2011 07:16 GMT
#4127
so what am I missing guys?
is this right?
GROUP E
1. [image loading] (P)EG.HuK 6-0
2. [image loading] (Z)GLSnute 5-1
3. [image loading] (Z)mouz.MorroW 3-2
4. [image loading] (Z)Ptak 2-2
5. [image loading] (Z)breek 2-3
6. [image loading] (P)skzi.Gorky 1-5
7. [image loading] (Z)Mski.EnDerr 0-6

GROUP F
1. [image loading] (Z)aTn.DarKFoRcE 6-0
2. [image loading] (T)MarineKingPrime.WE 5-1
3. [image loading] (P)NaVi'BabyKnight 3-3
4. [image loading] [image loading] wern 2-3
5. [image loading] (T)Empire.Beastyqt 2-3
6. [image loading] (P)XpecIMHui 2-4
7. [image loading] [image loading] inFEoNic 0-6

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2. [image loading] (Z)imba.FXO.LoWeLy 4-2
3. [image loading] (P)RGN.KiWiKaKi 3-2
4. [image loading] (T)aTn.ClouD 3-2
5. [image loading] (T)imba.FXO.Strelok 2-4
6. [image loading] (T)inFi.RedArchon 1-4
7. [image loading] (P)FnaticMSI.ToD 1-5

GROUP H
1. [image loading] (T)oGs.SuperNoVa 4-1
2. [image loading] (P)iG.MacSed 4-1
3. [image loading] (T)IMFenix 3-2
4. [image loading] (P)aAa.Slider 2-3
5. [image loading] (Z)KTReasoN 2-3
6. [image loading] (P)srs/RAZER/xEi 2-3
7. [image loading] (T)iSMaker 1-5
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
December 09 2011 07:16 GMT
#4128
On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:
one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up

You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles.

How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game.

Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead.

Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy.

I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3.

That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.

It can be exciting, until good players lose multiple games that they were playing much better because their essential death knight got hit by 3 criticals in sequence.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
MAMMALIA
Profile Joined December 2011
30 Posts
December 09 2011 07:16 GMT
#4129
On December 09 2011 16:15 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.


If anyone was upset, they would have brought it up in 2009 when it was actually in Chengdu... this year it's in Busan Korea



i did bring it up back then too :3
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 07:16 GMT
#4130
MAMMALIA not the place to bring that up and it's been there before as talismania has mentioned. It was actually highly successful.
star2craft
Profile Joined May 2011
30 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4131
so what is the situation now?

any round-16 sketch?
MAMMALIA
Profile Joined December 2011
30 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4132
i bring it up here because supporting wcg is condoning them for their choice to hold wcg in china in light of what i already mentioned
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4133
I hope this isn't a roflstomp...
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4134
New Razer headphone?
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4135
On December 09 2011 16:14 MAMMALIA wrote:
is anyone else slightly put off by the esports community supporting wcg being hosted in china, in light of the atrocities they've committed towards the people of tibet? they've all but destroyed tibets cultural heritage, destroying monastaries and burning religious texts, imprisoning buddhist monks. and now the world chooses to just look the other way as if it never happened, allowing the olympic games to be hosted there, among countless other things.


cmon dont go there seriously... With that logic lets not host anything in the states because of the genocide against the natives and for the low of good lets not host in anything in Germany, I mean we all know what they did just 70 years ago.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 07:17 GMT
#4136
I thought MacSed had 2 loses.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#4137
On December 09 2011 16:17 Garnet wrote:
New Razer headphone?


Green one is Electra, and it's kinda like a cheaper version of banshee, w/o all the pretty lights.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#4138
Wolf and Rottie casting Sen vs MVP? Yes please!
ffxiv enjoyer
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#4139
Super match starting with Rottie casting between Sen and MVP bo3 on Stage 2
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
December 09 2011 07:18 GMT
#4140
On December 09 2011 16:11 Meself wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:08 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:07 hmsrenown wrote:
On December 09 2011 16:06 R!! wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:59 iSometric wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:57 TheDwf wrote:
On December 09 2011 15:55 Xkalibert wrote:
one thing about luck with drops in wc3 ruins balance of the game even if it mirror match up

You can buy items at the Market in Echo Isles.

How the hell does it ruin the balance? Items are chance and chance, like critical strikes, are part of the game.

Except the same creep spots give different items which leaves everything to chance, ergo ruins any balance, especially when it comes to the blademaster that gets exponentially better with items that add damage, and then theres orc vs undead.

Randomness doesn't necessarily destroy competitive balance. It's a common fallacy.

I never said that it necessarily destroys anything, but I'm pretty fkn sure that it ruins wc3.

That what surprises/disturbs me about eSports fans sometimes. An element of chance makes for an exciting game. Even BW had uncontrollable element: several glitches, most notably Reaver's Scarab duds.

Chance isn't bad, but there's a world of difference between seeing a Reaver drop that may decide the game and seeing an item drop that may decide the game for a spectator.
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