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dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 08 2011 11:17 GMT
#2821
On December 08 2011 20:14 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:08 dmnum wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:07 StarStruck wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:06 MCDayC wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?


It's been said many times over bud. WCG Main stage PL! ._. People just don't want to read. X_X

Actually PL is not on WCG, they're just using the stage after WCG is done. But I don't think it's a problem as long as people don't start with the SC2 bash.


It's on the mainstage channel and no other games are being casted while it's on. It's part of the WCG festivities if you want to get technical and no one has been bashing SC2. Relax.

Most people seem to be bitching about the format more than anything else.

Yeah, I just edited my post after seeing the main schedule.
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:21:51
December 08 2011 11:19 GMT
#2822
On December 08 2011 20:09 Snipinpanda wrote:

Generally BW builds are tight enough that if you was money on a spore at each base, you're going to fall behind. Why bother having constant detection when you have floating supply that detect anyways? Keep in mind that spores are 125 mins each, and having 4 base = 500 minerals, which could easily be 6 hydras more. Anyways, even if you had spores, how do you prevent the DT from still killing things? It's better to play good defense with your hydras and your ovies.


The floating detector supply was the reason I was doubting the viability of DTs against Zerg :p
My comment about Spores stemmed from the fact that I was told a good Corsair harass could successfully make an opening for a DT.
You say that Spores are 125, that includes the initial Colony. Does that mean that creep spread is not that important in BW?

On December 08 2011 20:08 corumjhaelen wrote:
Corsair is more or less the key of modern PvZ. They are almost systematically used if only as a scouting tool, be it with DTs, reavers, or standard army composition. The classic example of how sair-dt should work is obviously sAviOr vs Bisu aka protoss revolution. Here is Day9 + Nony comment on game 1.
-snip-


Thank you, that will be an interesting watch!


On December 08 2011 20:14 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Unlike in SC2, you don't need a separate tech structure for DTs. All you need is a templar archives for both DTs and high templars. So it's always a good idea to get one or two DTs. Even if zerg has spores and sunken colones at their natural expansions (getting them to build extra static defense is already a good thing for the protoss), you can drop them into the main. Even if you can't harass, you can camp them at potential zerg expos to kill any drones that try to make an expansion. It also forces the zerg to upgrade overlord speed and until then, it gives protoss map control. The actual investment to get a DT or two is very minimal and they have a lot of utility that makes completely worth it in just about every scenario (assume you've already invested in templar tech to get high templars).


Aah, I didn't think about map control until Overlord speed!
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
December 08 2011 11:20 GMT
#2823
lol Khan such a protoss team ... not good vs a zerg team :/
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
December 08 2011 11:21 GMT
#2824
ro16 is bo3 format right ?
akaMadMike
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway93 Posts
December 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#2825
On December 08 2011 19:51 harrycane wrote:
Hmm, funny how Norways only representative (GLSnute) is participating in Samsung Super match then? Would not think of him as fan favorite, I guess some Norwegians must voted like no tomorrow.

Nevertheless, I will cheer for him. Norwegian and Zerg player, oo yeah!




Well, its more down to his opponent I guess

Anyways, really looking forward to it!
I know i was born and I know that I’ll die – the in between is mine!
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#2826
On December 08 2011 20:19 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:09 Snipinpanda wrote:

Generally BW builds are tight enough that if you was money on a spore at each base, you're going to fall behind. Why bother having constant detection when you have floating supply that detect anyways? Keep in mind that spores are 125 mins each, and having 4 base = 500 minerals, which could easily be 6 hydras more. Anyways, even if you had spores, how do you prevent the DT from still killing things? It's better to play good defense with your hydras and your ovies.


The floating detector supply was the reason I was doubting the viability of DTs against Zerg :p
My comment about Spores stemmed from the fact that I was told a good Corsair harass could successfully make an opening for a DT.
You say that Spores are 125, that includes the initial Colony. Does that mean that creep spread is not that important in BW?

Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:08 corumjhaelen wrote:
Corsair is more or less the key of modern PvZ. They are almost systematically used if only as a scouting tool, be it with DTs, reavers, or standard army composition. The classic example of how sair-dt should work is obviously sAviOr vs Bisu aka protoss revolution. Here is Day9 + Nony comment on game 1.
-snip-


Thank you, that will be an interesting watch!


Creep means nothing, except you can build buildings on them. Zerg units don't move faster on them, and not any advantage on creep.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#2827
On December 08 2011 20:21 JohnMatrix wrote:
ro16 is bo3 format right ?


yes, i believe so. all the way to the final
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 08 2011 11:23 GMT
#2828
On December 08 2011 20:19 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:09 Snipinpanda wrote:

Generally BW builds are tight enough that if you was money on a spore at each base, you're going to fall behind. Why bother having constant detection when you have floating supply that detect anyways? Keep in mind that spores are 125 mins each, and having 4 base = 500 minerals, which could easily be 6 hydras more. Anyways, even if you had spores, how do you prevent the DT from still killing things? It's better to play good defense with your hydras and your ovies.


The floating detector supply was the reason I was doubting the viability of DTs against Zerg :p
My comment about Spores stemmed from the fact that I was told a good Corsair harass could successfully make an opening for a DT.
You say that Spores are 125, that includes the initial Colony. Does that mean that creep spread is not that important in BW?

Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:08 corumjhaelen wrote:
Corsair is more or less the key of modern PvZ. They are almost systematically used if only as a scouting tool, be it with DTs, reavers, or standard army composition. The classic example of how sair-dt should work is obviously sAviOr vs Bisu aka protoss revolution. Here is Day9 + Nony comment on game 1.
-snip-


Thank you, that will be an interesting watch!


Creep spread doesn't mean anything BW. The only thing creep allows is zerg to build buildings and other races not to build buildings. Pure creep colonies are almost always useless.

Sairs allow you to move ovies to create openings. The point is that the need for your minerals is much greater than your need to defend something that might not be coming and is perfectly defensible without them.
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:27:25
December 08 2011 11:26 GMT
#2829
On December 08 2011 20:22 ElephantBaby wrote:

Creep means nothing, except you can build buildings on them. Zerg units don't move faster on them, and not any advantage on creep.


Hm, indeed. I don't know, I always felt it had some purpose but never knew what. Now I know, it's none! :D

...granted, I rarely built Colonies because I never wanted to use Drones...

Edit: on second thought what made me feel safer with a Colony is that if I needed a Sunken I would have already been halfway through the process...
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:27:52
December 08 2011 11:27 GMT
#2830
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/

wanted to see a tvz or tvp...
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 08 2011 11:27 GMT
#2831
wow that was just horrible

awful game
diLLa
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands247 Posts
December 08 2011 11:27 GMT
#2832
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
December 08 2011 11:28 GMT
#2833
ahh, i hope hydras would be that great in SC2 >;-)
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 08 2011 11:28 GMT
#2834
On December 08 2011 20:27 diLLa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD

Protoss tears are delicious.
Until Bisu shows up :-(
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
December 08 2011 11:29 GMT
#2835
On December 08 2011 20:27 diLLa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD

Well when the toss is not Bisu and the zergs are Effort and hydra it is not really balanced.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
December 08 2011 11:30 GMT
#2836
When rest of the groups will be played?
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
December 08 2011 11:33 GMT
#2837
Hmm, that's it, right? Schedule is a bit messy, but it appears that the last event was this.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 08 2011 11:33 GMT
#2838
On December 08 2011 20:27 diLLa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD

BW is never perfectly balanced.
T>Z, Z>P, P==T
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 08 2011 11:33 GMT
#2839
On December 08 2011 20:27 diLLa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD

Pretty sure only one toss has won an OSL or MSL in the last 2-3 years.. jangbi or w/e his name is who won awhile back
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 08 2011 11:34 GMT
#2840
On December 08 2011 20:33 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:27 diLLa wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:27 Boblion wrote:
protoss losing to z, nothing really new :/


Thought that BW was perfectly balanced xD

Pretty sure only one toss has won an OSL or MSL in the last 2-3 years.. jangbi or w/e his name is who won awhile back


jangbi actually won the last one...
stork has 1
bisu has 3 msl
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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