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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 08 2011 11:04 GMT
#2801
What is everyone watching? Aren't the games over?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#2802
We're going to game 5 folks.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:05:39
December 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#2803
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
December 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#2804
On December 08 2011 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:56 Bromazepam wrote:
Are DTs actually viable against Zerg?

They are a good harass tool in combination with corsairs, even though zerg have gotten pretty good at dealing with them recently.


I guess.
Knowing nothing about BW's metagame it was hard to see them working. Wouldn't Corsair harass tip off the Zerg so he throws down a Spore, though? Or is it so standard that it's impossible to tell?
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 08 2011 11:06 GMT
#2805
Good game by roro and Snow.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 08 2011 11:06 GMT
#2806
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 08 2011 11:06 GMT
#2807
On December 08 2011 20:05 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
On December 08 2011 19:56 Bromazepam wrote:
Are DTs actually viable against Zerg?

They are a good harass tool in combination with corsairs, even though zerg have gotten pretty good at dealing with them recently.


I guess.
Knowing nothing about BW's metagame it was hard to see them working. Wouldn't Corsair harass tip off the Zerg so he throws down a Spore, though? Or is it so standard that it's impossible to tell?

Corsairs are used in essentially every standard PvZ, for scouting purposes and to help vs the muta threat.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
eNbee
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium487 Posts
December 08 2011 11:06 GMT
#2808
On December 08 2011 19:36 Lixo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:33 eNbee wrote:
Sorry if it's in the OP, but I didn't catch it, does anyone have an URL where I can see today's results?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/World_Cyber_Games_2011/Main_Tournament

There you go good sir.



Thanks! Silly me for not checking Liquipedia (which is amaaaaaaaaaazing) <3
hmmmm
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 11:07 GMT
#2809
On December 08 2011 20:06 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?


It's been said many times over bud. WCG Main stage PL! ._. People just don't want to read. X_X
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 08 2011 11:08 GMT
#2810
On December 08 2011 20:06 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?


Because it is played in WCG main stage. No other games playing.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:14:11
December 08 2011 11:08 GMT
#2811
On December 08 2011 20:07 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:06 MCDayC wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?


It's been said many times over bud. WCG Main stage PL! ._. People just don't want to read. X_X

Actually PL is not on WCG, they're just using the stage after WCG is done. But I don't think it's a problem as long as people don't start with the SC2 bash.

Edit: Or not. Just saw the picture of WCG schedule and PL appears there. Still, it sucks having to read two threads to keep up with the comments. :<
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 08 2011 11:08 GMT
#2812
On December 08 2011 20:05 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
On December 08 2011 19:56 Bromazepam wrote:
Are DTs actually viable against Zerg?

They are a good harass tool in combination with corsairs, even though zerg have gotten pretty good at dealing with them recently.


I guess.
Knowing nothing about BW's metagame it was hard to see them working. Wouldn't Corsair harass tip off the Zerg so he throws down a Spore, though? Or is it so standard that it's impossible to tell?

Corsair is more or less the key of modern PvZ. They are almost systematically used if only as a scouting tool, be it with DTs, reavers, or standard army composition. The classic example of how sair-dt should work is obviously sAviOr vs Bisu aka protoss revolution. Here is Day9 + Nony comment on game 1.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 08 2011 11:09 GMT
#2813
On December 08 2011 20:05 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
On December 08 2011 19:56 Bromazepam wrote:
Are DTs actually viable against Zerg?

They are a good harass tool in combination with corsairs, even though zerg have gotten pretty good at dealing with them recently.


I guess.
Knowing nothing about BW's metagame it was hard to see them working. Wouldn't Corsair harass tip off the Zerg so he throws down a Spore, though? Or is it so standard that it's impossible to tell?


Generally BW builds are tight enough that if you was money on a spore at each base, you're going to fall behind. Why bother having constant detection when you have floating supply that detect anyways? Keep in mind that spores are 125 mins each, and having 4 base = 500 minerals, which could easily be 6 hydras more. Anyways, even if you had spores, how do you prevent the DT from still killing things? It's better to play good defense with your hydras and your ovies.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 08 2011 11:10 GMT
#2814
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching? Aren't the games over?

weird Japanese pop. And its quite surreal.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
December 08 2011 11:11 GMT
#2815
Socke
Besides his EPS win this weekend, there is not too much going right for him during the last months.

And people who go 3-3 in group stage don't deserve to go through, arguing with sample size is just out of place here. You have to perform when it counts, and six games is enough time for that.
There really is no sports out there where always the same players perform. Hell, Manchester United got eliminated yesterday in the group stages of CL although they clearly were (on paper) the best team in their group. Six matches should always be enough to establish that fact, if it is not, you messed up.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 08 2011 11:13 GMT
#2816
On December 08 2011 19:50 KingPaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:50 Quakie wrote:
On December 08 2011 19:48 KingPaddy wrote:
Oh no!
I just saw Moon is out of the tournament..

Link to the wc3-brackets?

http://www.fragster.de/de/esport/coverages/world-cyber-games/11/grand-final/komponenten/wcg-2011-wc3-gruppenuebersicht.html


Only 8 players this time, why bother?
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 08 2011 11:13 GMT
#2817
Damn it... IdrA and sen are both out. Rooting for Morrow tomorrow!
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 08 2011 11:14 GMT
#2818
On December 08 2011 20:08 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:07 StarStruck wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:06 MCDayC wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:05 Lasbike wrote:
On December 08 2011 20:04 MCDayC wrote:
What is everyone watching?

BW

Why in this thread?


It's been said many times over bud. WCG Main stage PL! ._. People just don't want to read. X_X

Actually PL is not on WCG, they're just using the stage after WCG is done. But I don't think it's a problem as long as people don't start with the SC2 bash.


It's on the mainstage channel and no other games are being casted while it's on. It's part of the WCG festivities if you want to get technical and no one has been bashing SC2. Relax.

Most people seem to be bitching about the format more than anything else.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:17:05
December 08 2011 11:14 GMT
#2819
On December 08 2011 20:05 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 19:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
On December 08 2011 19:56 Bromazepam wrote:
Are DTs actually viable against Zerg?

They are a good harass tool in combination with corsairs, even though zerg have gotten pretty good at dealing with them recently.


I guess.
Knowing nothing about BW's metagame it was hard to see them working. Wouldn't Corsair harass tip off the Zerg so he throws down a Spore, though? Or is it so standard that it's impossible to tell?

Unlike in SC2, you don't need a separate tech structure for DTs. All you need is a templar archives for both DTs and high templars. So it's always a good idea to get one or two DTs. Even if zerg has spores and sunken colones at their natural expansions (getting them to build extra static defense is already a good thing for the protoss), you can drop them into the main. Even if you can't harass, you can camp them at potential zerg expos to kill any drones that try to make an expansion. It also forces the zerg to upgrade overlord speed and until then, it gives protoss map control. The actual investment to get a DT or two is very minimal and they have a lot of utility that makes completely worth it in just about every scenario (assume you've already invested in templar tech to get high templars).
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 11:17:01
December 08 2011 11:16 GMT
#2820
Game 5 (last match) Hydra (z) for CJ versus Brave for Khan (p)
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