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SwampZero
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece350 Posts
May 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#1141
3.5 out of 4 liquibets so far woot
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 06 2011 03:07 GMT
#1142
On May 06 2011 12:04 Unnamed wrote:
I don't get why QXC didn't made raven using so many scans instead.


For a long while he was behind on tech due to the double orbital play. Got a relatively late starport....by the time he could've gone raven I think he was planning a push and needed the medivacs, and didn't expect White Ra to keep up with the dts. It's very strange for a Toss to waste THAT MANY dts, but Ra could afford to because of his smart composition.

The headscratcher is why he didnt hunt down the pylon O.O
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
May 06 2011 03:07 GMT
#1143
On May 06 2011 12:05 Elean wrote:
I just don't understand how you can sac so many DT for no damage and still be ahead.

Can anyone explain ?

Yeah it forced to use some mules, but with 1 extra OC it isn't that big of a deal...

The Terran army requires heavy amounts of minerals (which lets you build it faster than Protoss). Each DT basically costs QXC a scan, so as long as WhiteRa isn't making an immensely gas-heavy army, he's ahead.
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 03:07 GMT
#1144
On May 06 2011 12:05 MUFFINS1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.

Umm QXC already had a factory there was a long period of time where QXC scanned all those zeolots where he couldve easily amassed a lot of hellions.

U do realize u need to make counters to succeed in this game right?

No you don't - you need to play better than your opponent.

You can win MMM verse Zealot/HT if you play better

Not everything is about counters dude; qxc should've gone mass cloaked banshee because zealots don't hit air zomg!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
May 06 2011 03:08 GMT
#1145
On May 06 2011 12:04 Glaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:02 Imres wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:59 DiaBoLuS wrote:
If i compare qxc's play with what i saw from DeMusliM today after 1 week of practise, its like platinum vs grandmaster.

srsly, qxc plays rly bad


A lot of players look really bad when playing white-ra, amazing unit composition, only one sentry.


While that may generally be true I'm sure any high level terran would agree that QXC played horrribly.


I agree but platinium :o (top master seems more accurate imo) he seems really helpless against this strat by white ra, and miss some (imo) crucial timings.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
May 06 2011 03:08 GMT
#1146
isn't 1 gate fe nexus before cybernetics?

lol.

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
kmh
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland351 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 03:08:51
May 06 2011 03:08 GMT
#1147
Protoss players are doing some silly, silly builds PvZ. It seems Zergs are figuring out how to punish protosses who cut corners. + Show Spoiler [GSL] +
Anypro vs Nestea was one prime example of a protoss doing silly builds being punished. In fact, july vs cruncher game 1 and nestea vs anypro had the protoss dying the exact same way: going stargate into colossus without scouting if a hydra/ling bust was coming.


Cruncher vs July game 2 was another example of a protoss cutting corners being punished. You can't forge FE like that on that map without scouting first. Dunno why people try stuff like that - are they just used to getting away with it?
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 03:08 GMT
#1148
1 gate FE verse expo into 4 rax from qxc
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
TofuFox
Profile Joined November 2010
374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 03:09:53
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1149
On May 06 2011 12:03 DiaBoLuS wrote:
i doubt qxc would even reach grandmaster in europe atm... so terrible play by him, i dont get how he got invited to nasl after the 1-10 maps @ iem and not a single good result besides tsl qualifier and a win vs genius, who played terrible that games


Fenix wasn't really doing any better and he's 4-0, only dropping one map along the way.

Some of the slumping (Fenix) or borderline (InControl) invites have done really well, others haven't (QXC, Artosis). Hopefully the latter can turn it around.
khanofmongols
Profile Joined January 2011
542 Posts
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1150
is this gate expo robo by white ra. That is really greedy
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1151
Uh oh this is looking bad for WhiteRa.. D:
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1152
Wow WhiteRa played greedy as shit
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1153
On May 06 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:05 MUFFINS1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.

Umm QXC already had a factory there was a long period of time where QXC scanned all those zeolots where he couldve easily amassed a lot of hellions.

U do realize u need to make counters to succeed in this game right?

No you don't - you need to play better than your opponent.

You can win MMM verse Zealot/HT if you play better

Not everything is about counters dude; qxc should've gone mass cloaked banshee because zealots don't hit air zomg!



Yes, everything IS about counters. White Ra skipped colossus and went HT tech to counter mass bio and qxc lost because he had a bad unit composition.

If you think MMM vs chargelot/HT is a good composition then there is a problem.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 03:09 GMT
#1154
scv train on the way to White-Ra base!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1155
On May 06 2011 12:08 kmh wrote:
Protoss players are doing some silly, silly builds PvZ. It seems Zergs are figuring out how to punish protosses who cut corners. + Show Spoiler [GSL] +
Anypro vs Nestea was one prime example of a protoss doing silly builds being punished. In fact, july vs cruncher game 1 and nestea vs anypro had the protoss dying the exact same way: going stargate into colossus without scouting if a hydra/ling bust was coming.


Cruncher vs July game 2 was another example of a protoss cutting corners being punished. You can't forge FE like that on that map without scouting first. Dunno why people try stuff like that - are they just used to getting away with it?

In a word, yes. The prevalent Zerg strategy was "sit back and crush his push with your superior macro." The prevailing Protoss strategy became "sit back and make a really strong army, then go crush your opponent."
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1156
Pulling the scvs! If someone calls this all-in I'm going to rage kinda hard, this isn't all-in at all.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1157
I think qxc figured with a fast 3rd orbital he would have been fine relying on scans because players don't usually keep up the dt harass like that.

Oh and to the guy who called incontrol gimmicky earlier, white ra was gimmicky that game too right?
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MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1158
On May 06 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:05 MUFFINS1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.

Umm QXC already had a factory there was a long period of time where QXC scanned all those zeolots where he couldve easily amassed a lot of hellions.

U do realize u need to make counters to succeed in this game right?

No you don't - you need to play better than your opponent.

You can win MMM verse Zealot/HT if you play better

Not everything is about counters dude; qxc should've gone mass cloaked banshee because zealots don't hit air zomg!


Last time I checked charglots rape mmm and hts also rape mmm

Switching to banshees is a large tech switch unlike hellions

If you were paying attention you would notice QXC had an idle factory the whole game

It really isn't that hard to add a tech lab then get blue flame

You can't make the unit ur opponent is countering the whole game and expect to win buddy
hi
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1159
On May 06 2011 12:07 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:05 MUFFINS1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.

Umm QXC already had a factory there was a long period of time where QXC scanned all those zeolots where he couldve easily amassed a lot of hellions.

U do realize u need to make counters to succeed in this game right?

No you don't - you need to play better than your opponent.

You can win MMM verse Zealot/HT if you play better

Not everything is about counters dude; qxc should've gone mass cloaked banshee because zealots don't hit air zomg!


true.
switch to hellions in that situation is stupid.

his 3rd was way too late, he didnt handle the dts well, missed the timings to attack, added ghost a bit too late.

those were his mistakes.

and he has no top-player micro pretty obviously
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
May 06 2011 03:10 GMT
#1160
i continue to be amazed by a terran's ability to tug scvs off the mineral line and just all in so effectively
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