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Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1121
It's pretty hard to push out against DTs when you refuse to build a raven.
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1122
On May 06 2011 12:02 Samhax wrote:
QXc lost because of the scans all game long?


He was badly outmacroed, and part of that was the wasted mules.
Glaven
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada554 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1123
On May 06 2011 12:02 Imres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 11:59 DiaBoLuS wrote:
If i compare qxc's play with what i saw from DeMusliM today after 1 week of practise, its like platinum vs grandmaster.

srsly, qxc plays rly bad


A lot of players look really bad when playing white-ra, amazing unit composition, only one sentry.


While that may generally be true I'm sure any high level terran would agree that QXC played horrribly.
Special Tactics
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1124
That was random...CatZ and AxSlav getting to obs these games?!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1125
On May 06 2011 12:01 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:00 MUFFINS1 wrote:
And this is why qxc isn't top level anymore

no offense to qxc but when has anyone ever considered him top level?

Before he was studying abroad he was one of the best NA players. Idra even said so. There is a reason he qualified for the IEM championship and TSL3
www.superbeerbrothers.com
ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
May 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#1126
On May 06 2011 12:04 Hollis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:03 Malstriks wrote:
i was surprised that whitera's timings were so spot-on. white-ra lost so many dt's doing so little damage, yet his macro was so strong. very impressive play from whitera


It's the opportunity cost of lost mules that makes it worth it. How many minerals is one mule worth, like 270?


I don't understand this argument. If a MULE is 270 minerals, a drone is infinity minerals.
delayed reflex
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada358 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1127
Heh interesting, in that game bio toss > bio terran qxc really seemed off though :-/
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1128
On May 06 2011 12:03 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.



He had 10 minutes to switch tech, decided to stay on MMM against zealot/sentry/HT.

All these units are weak to hellions. You don't even need upgrades. One hellion shot on a zealot ball would do 200-400 damage, it helps a LOT.


He didn't scout the HT/zealots until far later than that time, as far as I know, because the constant DT harass made him have to keep scanning his natural. At that point, he didn't have the medivacs he would also need to supplement the ball.

The biggest issue may have been the lack of armor upgrades. Chargelots do a lot better when their attack ups are better than your armor.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1129
On May 06 2011 12:02 Samhax wrote:
QXc lost because of the scans all game long?


Well he invested a lot of his early minerals into the 2 CC's so he didn't have as many SCVs as he could have gotten (which is obviously important for taking the macro lead). As the DT harass happened... he lost a lot of their worth spending all the orbital's energy on scans... and then WhiteRa expanded while slowing QXC down by constantly harassing with DTs.

It looked cost inefficient, but it slowed down the expansion quite awhile, and it allowed him to expand and macro up easily. It looked even for quite awhile there, but when WhiteRa's macro kicked in it was over. At least that's what it looked like to me.
Tyrr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States216 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1130
On May 06 2011 12:04 AimForTheBushes wrote:
That was random...CatZ and AxSlav getting to obs these games?!


I was wondering the same thing earlier..maybe they're just using those 2 accounts for the casters?
im bad
UNeeK
Profile Joined January 2011
United States237 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1131
most casters seem to feel fake when they get excited... you can tell when its real and when its not... this is why i like artosis though, when hes excited you can tell hes really excited..
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1132
On May 06 2011 12:03 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.



He had 10 minutes to switch tech, decided to stay on MMM against zealot/sentry/HT.

All these units are weak to hellions. You don't even need upgrades. One hellion shot on a zealot ball would do 200-400 damage, it helps a LOT.


bullshit, rly.

you cannot upgrade blueflame hellions and get enough hellions out (2 fac, 1 reactor 1 techlab) in time without losing mapcontrol (which qxc didnt ever use tbh) and "momentum"

he simply didnt attack when he shouldve, added ghosts way too late and couldve easily taken a way earlier 3rd
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1133
On May 06 2011 12:01 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:00 MUFFINS1 wrote:
And this is why qxc isn't top level anymore

no offense to qxc but when has anyone ever considered him top level?


Were you here when the game first came out? Qxc was CONSTANTLY showing top performances in various tournaments. Just look at his results page:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Qxc

Obviously things seem to have slowed down for him at the turn of the year. I'm guessing that's around the same time he went to Spain though.
For Aiur???
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1134
I just don't understand how you can sac so many DT for no damage and still be ahead.

Can anyone explain ?

Yeah it forced to use some mules, but with 1 extra OC it isn't that big of a deal...
MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1135
On May 06 2011 12:02 sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:01 MUFFINS1 wrote:
When u see that many charglots get blue flame hellions...



Yes make blue flame hellions out of your barracks tell me how that goes.

upgraded chargelots up in your face you an't got no place.

Umm QXC already had a factory there was a long period of time where QXC scanned all those zeolots where he couldve easily amassed a lot of hellions.

U do realize u need to make counters to succeed in this game right?
hi
Sight-
Profile Joined January 2011
184 Posts
May 06 2011 03:05 GMT
#1136
On May 06 2011 12:04 Glaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 12:02 Imres wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:59 DiaBoLuS wrote:
If i compare qxc's play with what i saw from DeMusliM today after 1 week of practise, its like platinum vs grandmaster.

srsly, qxc plays rly bad


A lot of players look really bad when playing white-ra, amazing unit composition, only one sentry.


While that may generally be true I'm sure any high level terran would agree that QXC played horrribly.

I agree. I frickin love White-Ra, and I respect him a ton. But his macro was just...bad. I know he lost the mules to scans but even still, he went for too many upgrades, and got gasses too late.
thec0ne
Profile Joined May 2011
United States30 Posts
May 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#1137
Cats Pajamas <3 <3 Gotta love the Beard
radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
May 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#1138
Is anyone else tired of hearing "special tactics" over and over again? I got the joke the 1st time.
Berkeley '10
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#1139
On May 06 2011 12:05 UNeeK wrote:
most casters seem to feel fake when they get excited... you can tell when its real and when its not... this is why i like artosis though, when hes excited you can tell hes really excited..


I dont know what you're talking about, Gretorp screams so annoyingly loud when he gets excited.
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#1140
On May 06 2011 12:05 Elean wrote:
I just don't understand how you can sac so many DT for no damage and still be ahead.

Can anyone explain ?

Yeah it forced to use some mules, but with 1 extra OC it isn't that big of a deal...


WhiteRa was up a base for a loooooong time.
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