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On May 02 2011 10:29 Alex.IGN wrote:
Thanks for tuning in and supporting us throughout the season. We look forward to bringing you a great Season 2, and will be announcing details about both the main event and the qualifiers soon! Thanks again for all of great feedback and support everyone has given us!
Are you allowed to give us any word on how IGN felt about the results/attention their tournament got, in relation to how much they're going to get into season 2/re-invest into their eSports venture. I'm wondering because this did seem somewhat like a trial run (and the best produced tourney I've seen since GSL  ) since it wasn't heavily advertised at all really on IGN's main site (no headline article at least or much hype; I visit IGN a lot so that's sort why I'm so curious about the IGN perspective on the tournament).
thanks and great job =]
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On May 02 2011 10:29 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 10:24 Dommk wrote:On May 02 2011 10:19 Mailing wrote:His drops did nothing. Getting 5 bases and keeping kiwi off a 4th won him the game. After the drops failed, kiwi a-moved his army into idras creep and lost all his stalkers/colossus to roach hydra, and was in a basically un-winnable position from there. After losing so many units he could not defend all his bases, but that was his fault for attacking too early and not idra baiting it. His drops delayed pushes and forced warp-ins. It works much the same as Protoss forcing units against Zerg months ago, except now it is the Zerg doing it, Kiwi had to always make units to keep up otherwise he would die or lose too many probes, he totally had the eco to go double robo and upgrades but IdrA just wouldn't let down. Kiwikaki just needs more practice against that style to get use to dealing resource distrobution when under constant pressure. The "a-move" into creep was hardly a "a-move", he hit at the moment where IdrA lost like 20 pop to forcefields, downside was Kiwi never had the eco to get anymore sentries and drops in his base were forcing warp-ins there, his main army wasn't getting reinforced and he had no forcefields to stop the Hydra spam defense from Idra He couldn't reinforce his army anyway because as far as I could tell he didn't even have a pylon up there. Game 4 IdrA definitely won through his aggressive play, but Game 5 KiWi lost by pretty much throwing his army away. If you want to say that the drops affected his decision making then fine, whatever, we can't know that, but the game had one deciding moment and it wasn't a drop by IdrA.
Kiwikaki was about to lose his support bay, he had to warpin 6 Stalkers then the ANOTHER warpin at his third to not lose probes down there. They may have looked worthelss but they did their job, Kiwikaki was down 9~ Gateway units in his push into creep, roughly 18food. That could have turned the tide or allowed him an easier escape. The drops were picking off probes mining gas and aiming for Gysers, IdrA must have cut his gas income by a third at least that game.
But above all, they were buying time. Idra hit 2-2 whilst Kiwikaki was at like 1-0, the constant drops and pressure are to force mistakes and improper resource management
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On May 02 2011 10:26 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 10:24 VoirDire wrote:On May 02 2011 10:21 Mailing wrote:On May 02 2011 10:20 Karthane wrote:On May 02 2011 10:19 Mailing wrote:His drops did nothing. Getting 5 bases and keeping kiwi off a 4th won him the game. After the drops failed, kiwi a-moved his army into idras creep and lost all his stalkers/colossus to roach hydra, and was in a basically un-winnable position from there. After losing so many units he could not defend all his bases, but that was his fault for attacking too early and not idra baiting it. His drops did nothing? Did you watch these games? Obviously I meant game 5, where they in fact, did nothing. They didn't do much material damage, but they did force kiwi to run between his bases defend them, making his 4th expos undefended and kept him from moving out with a deathball. Kiwi DID move out though, his critical mistake that game. Losing that battle lost him the game, after that idra just rallied to kiwis base. A protoss can make their deathball on 3 bases, and idra at no point that game traded until the big battle. He just decided to attack too early for whatever reason onto creep.
The move-out was delayed because he had to defend the drops, weakened because he had to build cannons to defend against drops and cut from reinforcements because he had to use warp-in to defend against drops.
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On May 02 2011 10:34 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 10:29 hugman wrote:On May 02 2011 10:24 Dommk wrote:On May 02 2011 10:19 Mailing wrote:His drops did nothing. Getting 5 bases and keeping kiwi off a 4th won him the game. After the drops failed, kiwi a-moved his army into idras creep and lost all his stalkers/colossus to roach hydra, and was in a basically un-winnable position from there. After losing so many units he could not defend all his bases, but that was his fault for attacking too early and not idra baiting it. His drops delayed pushes and forced warp-ins. It works much the same as Protoss forcing units against Zerg months ago, except now it is the Zerg doing it, Kiwi had to always make units to keep up otherwise he would die or lose too many probes, he totally had the eco to go double robo and upgrades but IdrA just wouldn't let down. Kiwikaki just needs more practice against that style to get use to dealing resource distrobution when under constant pressure. The "a-move" into creep was hardly a "a-move", he hit at the moment where IdrA lost like 20 pop to forcefields, downside was Kiwi never had the eco to get anymore sentries and drops in his base were forcing warp-ins there, his main army wasn't getting reinforced and he had no forcefields to stop the Hydra spam defense from Idra He couldn't reinforce his army anyway because as far as I could tell he didn't even have a pylon up there. Game 4 IdrA definitely won through his aggressive play, but Game 5 KiWi lost by pretty much throwing his army away. If you want to say that the drops affected his decision making then fine, whatever, we can't know that, but the game had one deciding moment and it wasn't a drop by IdrA. Kiwikaki was about to lose his support bay, he had to warpin 6 Stalkers then the ANOTHER warpin at his third to not lose probes down there. They may have looked worthelss but they did their job, Kiwikaki was down 9~ Gateway units in his push into creep, roughly 18food. That could have turned the tide or allowed him an easier escape. The drops were picking off probes mining gas and aiming for Gysers, IdrA must have cut his gas income by a third at least that game
Yes, but first of all I don't think he had a pylon with the push, I didn't see it at least (I want to watch the VOD and confirm), so he overcommited in the first place. If he had a pylon but warped in everything at his base then he shouldn't have pushed. But he did push, killed a lot of stuff but had no reinforcements, so IdrA whittled down his gateway support. That is the worst possible thing for a Protoss. Before the push their supplys were about even but after the push KiWi was ridiculously far behind and the game was pretty much over.
I think IdrA played really well, but I don't think he won G5 because he picked apart KiWi with his drops, he won it because KiWi did a huge fuckup. It was an unforced error, whereas in Game 4 IdrA DID pick KiWi apart and really created the win himself.
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Plus it's the only option Z has to put on pressure, adding another dimension to the game thus favoring the overall better player.
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Nice tourney IGN, although I feel you would have gotten even more enthusiasm and viewers in the last few days if the results weren't leaked :S. Knowing who won and wat the exact score was kinda killed it for me : (
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Very impressive from IdrA. He's really stepped up his game since MLG.
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How did the result leak btw? Anyone knows?
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+ Show Spoiler +THe important thing is that Idra is improving the metagame for ZvP. Beating convincigly such a high caliber Protoss player using this agro style will hopefully mean that Protoss players will need to play more honest and careful.
And I think the biggest change this will result in(as more Z players will try to be more bold with their attacks) is the change of mindset for Protoss players, which as of now IMHO is to
1. secure easy natural for the midgame -->the zerg cannot threaten me as he is droning
2. and the whole focus is on reaching for the 200/200 deatball that the zerg cannot beat no matter what
Generally speaking, the zerg is gonna be more threatening for P who just tries to go for the 200/200 deathball.
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Really interesting meta-gaming by Idra in both the series against Select and against Kiwikaki. He was basically throwing away games to get the opponents to play into his style. Normally I would say you should play every game to win, but I can't disagree with the results. Once Idra was in the type of game he wanted, he looked completely untouchable. Those games where he won weren't even close. The risk seems to have paid off.
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On May 02 2011 11:13 NewtofDoom wrote:
Really interesting meta-gaming by Idra in both the series against Select and against Kiwikaki. He was basically throwing away games to get the opponents to play into his style. Normally I would say you should play every game to win, but I can't disagree with the results. Once Idra was in the type of game he wanted, he looked completely untouchable. Those games where he won weren't even close. The risk seems to have paid off.
You honestly think he was throwing games?
Why the fuck would IdrA throw games? He's good enough to beat his opponents and he knows it, he doesn't need any retarded mindgames.
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Not sure if anyone else has been having this problem, but a lot of times when I go to that page it doesn't find anything until I refresh it for a couple minutes, then when I try to load a game/series the box will come up with the gray loading bar and not load anything for another few minutes of refreshes. It's really nice how fast the VODs are uploaded though, even with a five minute or so delay on actually being able to watch them, it's still faster than other tournaments :D
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On May 02 2011 11:55 Thermia wrote:Not sure if anyone else has been having this problem, but a lot of times when I go to that page it doesn't find anything until I refresh it for a couple minutes, then when I try to load a game/series the box will come up with the gray loading bar and not load anything for another few minutes of refreshes. It's really nice how fast the VODs are uploaded though, even with a five minute or so delay on actually being able to watch them, it's still faster than other tournaments :D
You can also use these links to access the VODs.
Series 1
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Series 2
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This tournament was fantastic. From the graphics, to the presentation, to the execution, it was just all-around beautifully run. Congrats to IGN for hosting such a great tourny, I can't wait for season 2
and grats to Idra for showing some sick ZvP
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On May 02 2011 11:49 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 11:13 NewtofDoom wrote:
Really interesting meta-gaming by Idra in both the series against Select and against Kiwikaki. He was basically throwing away games to get the opponents to play into his style. Normally I would say you should play every game to win, but I can't disagree with the results. Once Idra was in the type of game he wanted, he looked completely untouchable. Those games where he won weren't even close. The risk seems to have paid off. You honestly think he was throwing games? Why the fuck would IdrA throw games? He's good enough to beat his opponents and he knows it, he doesn't need any retarded mindgames.
Considering his early game pressure fails basically every single time, do you really think he expects to win games with it? He's not an idiot. What is he trying to accomplish when he goes one-base roach all in? I'm sure if he killed someone that way he'd be perfectly happy to take the W, but I can't believe that's the primary goal. What it does do is force the opponent to play safe, so that when Idra does go for a macro game he can crush them.
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Idra just been shredding lately. He's number 1 on NA ladder and been destroying people in this tournament. How did he suddenly get so good?
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can't wait too hear for the qualifiers for season 2 and congrats too Idra! Glad too see you win ^_^
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On May 02 2011 12:28 Skroach wrote:
Idra just been shredding lately. He's number 1 on NA ladder and been destroying people in this tournament. How did he suddenly get so good?
Idra has always been good. Only his mental state ever held him back from greatness. Hopefully he's reached some sort of epiphany when it comes to fighting protoss and it leads to greater success in larger tournaments in the future.
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