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Aravan
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland36 Posts
May 03 2011 19:26 GMT
#961
On May 03 2011 14:50 cosmo.6792 wrote:
Note to HD & Painuser:

Please stop calling all types of early aggression as "cheese". They are not the same. I expect that kind of talk from qq'ing silver league players. Professional casters should know better.

If a player scouts an opponent, sees a weakness, and then stops drone production to exploit the weakness with heavy aggression... THAT IS NOT CALLED CHEESE. It's called a proper strategic reaction. Cheese is when a player rolls the dice by blindly going all-in while having no idea what his opponent is doing.

6-pool = cheese.

3-roach rush = cheese.

Proxy Gateways = cheese.

Mass Roach vs a Fast Expand Protoss = Not cheese.

I'm in total agreement here, the word "cheese" thrown around annoyed quite a bit. The production value was, as always, incredible (definitely the best out there). IGN shouldn't get complacent though, there's always room for improvement.
Looking forward to season 2 with all the mistakes of infancy eliminated (not that there were many). GJ guys!
"The number J!" - Day[9]
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
May 03 2011 23:51 GMT
#962
After watching the VODS of the final, wow. Idra really deserved that, insane play in game four.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 03:39:15
May 04 2011 03:38 GMT
#963
Great job to IdrA, so happy for him that he's finally won something again. Been cheering for him lately and felt bad that things just weren't going his way.

I wonder if CatZ has anything to say about this? lol.
Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
May 05 2011 03:28 GMT
#964
On May 04 2011 02:35 Tiorda wrote:
The problem I have with HD's casting is it's not authentic. It's very forced and often fake enthusiasm. You can clearly hear him speaking before he thinks and often times what comes out of his mouth is a jumbled mess.

While I give him credit for trying to be exciting, he's trying so hard to be entertaining that you can tell he's doing it...which is fake.

Painuser on the other hand was a pleasant surprise and has a bright future in broadcasting if he choses to keep refining his skills.

Incoming HD fanbois and white knighting etc.

lol as a long time fan of HD since his days in bw casting.. i have to agree with you xD but why start talking abt his casting, this is more abt the ipl finals and not how good casters did their job, else flame wars will ensue for no good reason
Noelani
Profile Joined May 2010
55 Posts
May 05 2011 15:08 GMT
#965
Wish there had been an IdrA interview after the finals.. even if it had to be over skype.

Great tournament though.
mati
Profile Joined October 2010
Argentina114 Posts
May 06 2011 13:34 GMT
#966
On May 03 2011 14:50 cosmo.6792 wrote:
Note to HD & Painuser:

Please stop calling all types of early aggression as "cheese". They are not the same. I expect that kind of talk from qq'ing silver league players. Professional casters should know better.

If a player scouts an opponent, sees a weakness, and then stops drone production to exploit the weakness with heavy aggression... THAT IS NOT CALLED CHEESE. It's called a proper strategic reaction. Cheese is when a player rolls the dice by blindly going all-in while having no idea what his opponent is doing.

6-pool = cheese.

3-roach rush = cheese.

Proxy Gateways = cheese.

Mass Roach vs a Fast Expand Protoss = Not cheese.


Also agreed but... Idra himself called his own games "Cheese" on state of the game later on... >.<

he got game 3 on a semi cheese roach/speedling push (i would rather call it a "All in"), game 4 was about tons a fights everywhere with lots of drops (thats and proxy spines i belive are the future of zergs), and game 5 was also similar (Idra call that win on kiwikaki being bad and knowing nothing about timings, lol)....

I dont see the cheese >.<
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 06 2011 23:57 GMT
#967
So I went to go watch the VODs (i'm so behind on tournaments D and all the links to the individual videos appear to be broken. D: Anyone else having this problem?
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
May 07 2011 00:04 GMT
#968
On May 07 2011 08:57 sylverfyre wrote:
So I went to go watch the VODs (i'm so behind on tournaments D and all the links to the individual videos appear to be broken. D: Anyone else having this problem?


They seem to be down right now, I'm checking to see how long they will be down, sorry for the problem!
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 07 2011 01:14 GMT
#969
On May 07 2011 09:04 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 08:57 sylverfyre wrote:
So I went to go watch the VODs (i'm so behind on tournaments D and all the links to the individual videos appear to be broken. D: Anyone else having this problem?


They seem to be down right now, I'm checking to see how long they will be down, sorry for the problem!

Seems like they're already fixed. Thanks for the quick response!!
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 01:18:03
May 07 2011 01:17 GMT
#970
It's pretty impressive for IdrA to come back down 2-0 to win. Congrats!
There is no one like you in the universe.
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