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namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
May 01 2011 05:28 GMT
#821
mc is not the best animoa!
You know what I'm talking about
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 01 2011 05:29 GMT
#822
On May 01 2011 14:24 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 14:20 aScle wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:07 garlicface wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:05 dtz wrote:
ACE is on the road to dominate the foreign scene. First Europe, then Australia, Soon America.

Fear not! IdrA will take a home stand!

Ace beat Idra 2-0 in IEM if I'm not mistaken

That was squirtle


No he's right. Ace beat Idra 2-0 in the group stages of IEM. Squirtle of course beat Idra 3-2 in the quarterfinals.


The series was close games, and zerg got buffed since with infestors

If it was 70:30 for ace before, it's maybe 50:50 or 55:45 now xd
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j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 05:30:15
May 01 2011 05:30 GMT
#823
i think MC wasnt confident at all after losing game #1,

You cannot just sit there without applying pressure on your opponent and hoping he doesnt take advantage of your passivity.
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 01 2011 05:32 GMT
#824
On May 01 2011 14:29 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 14:24 red4ce wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:20 aScle wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:07 garlicface wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:05 dtz wrote:
ACE is on the road to dominate the foreign scene. First Europe, then Australia, Soon America.

Fear not! IdrA will take a home stand!

Ace beat Idra 2-0 in IEM if I'm not mistaken

That was squirtle


No he's right. Ace beat Idra 2-0 in the group stages of IEM. Squirtle of course beat Idra 3-2 in the quarterfinals.


The series was close games, and zerg got buffed since with infestors

If it was 70:30 for ace before, it's maybe 50:50 or 55:45 now xd

More importantly IdrA got 50x better at ZvP. Just take a look at his last few ZvPs. He has been owning it up lately. He manhandled kiwikaki in the IPL.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 05:37:51
May 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#825
On May 01 2011 14:28 namedplayer wrote:
mc is not the best animoa!


Then who is and why is he not? From losing to double proxy gate which was beautifully held off for much longer than almost anyone else could do in that circumstance? For losing to a risky hidden expansion that would've died to aggressive one base play at a large timing MC had? Losing to Ret after doing silly builds? Losing 3-2 to Thorzain while focused on tons of other series while Thorzain specifically set out to snipe him in his best matchup and MC's worst?

Someone winning 2 or 3 games in a best of series happens all the time. There are tons of builds that someone like MC won't have seen before, and heavily risky play wins all the time against better players. Flash and Jaedong don't win 100% of the time, is MC supposed to win 100% of the time in a game that hasn't been figured out yet?

Yes MC fanboy. Stupid mentality going around that apparently to be the best player in the world you must never lose a single game in something with as many possibilites as SC2. Take into consideration that Ret and Ace can't even make it into Up and Down, where MC has had tons of dominating runs where he's barely dropped any games.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Squirrel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
May 01 2011 05:40 GMT
#826
On May 01 2011 14:32 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 14:29 Mailing wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:24 red4ce wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:20 aScle wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:07 garlicface wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:05 dtz wrote:
ACE is on the road to dominate the foreign scene. First Europe, then Australia, Soon America.

Fear not! IdrA will take a home stand!

Ace beat Idra 2-0 in IEM if I'm not mistaken

That was squirtle


No he's right. Ace beat Idra 2-0 in the group stages of IEM. Squirtle of course beat Idra 3-2 in the quarterfinals.


The series was close games, and zerg got buffed since with infestors

If it was 70:30 for ace before, it's maybe 50:50 or 55:45 now xd

More importantly IdrA got 50x better at ZvP. Just take a look at his last few ZvPs. He has been owning it up lately. He manhandled kiwikaki in the IPL.


Indeed, his ZvP has gotten MUCH better.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
May 01 2011 05:43 GMT
#827
Pretty interesting series. I'd avoid taking too much away from it, though. MC still has superb micro and (apparently) superb macro. He's not stupid. If the way he's playing doesn't work out for him, he's gonna get motivated to figure something else out. It kind of bothers me that the second anyone drops a few games there's some segment of the community that the player isn't worth shit to anymore.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9055 Posts
May 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#828
Ace does so well in foreign tournaments it's weird.
Duoma
Profile Joined March 2011
United States396 Posts
May 01 2011 06:10 GMT
#829
MC wins Dreamhack and Copenhagen in decisive fashion.

Is no longer world's best player.

The internet can be so fickle. MC is still statistically the best PvPer inside or outside of korea. One Bo3 involving a 2-gate proxy does not change that. Ace played intelligently and deserved the wins, but this series alone has essentially no weight on MC's reign as PvP god.

While it is true that MC has not been dominating everything he touches recently, it is difficult to argue that any other player in the world has been consistently winning as much as MC. One might even go as far as to say he is bi-winning.

MC has won 30,000 USD in the month of April, 3,000 more than the next highest player(MVP). His winnings in march(40,000) surpassed the #2 spot by 25,000.

If MC stops winning when it matters, then perhaps we can say he is no longer dominating the scene. As it stands, MC is comfortably the most successful SC2 player to date. One Bo3 does not change that.
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
May 01 2011 06:21 GMT
#830
On May 01 2011 14:32 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 14:29 Mailing wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:24 red4ce wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:20 aScle wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:07 garlicface wrote:
On May 01 2011 14:05 dtz wrote:
ACE is on the road to dominate the foreign scene. First Europe, then Australia, Soon America.

Fear not! IdrA will take a home stand!

Ace beat Idra 2-0 in IEM if I'm not mistaken

That was squirtle


No he's right. Ace beat Idra 2-0 in the group stages of IEM. Squirtle of course beat Idra 3-2 in the quarterfinals.


The series was close games, and zerg got buffed since with infestors

If it was 70:30 for ace before, it's maybe 50:50 or 55:45 now xd

More importantly IdrA got 50x better at ZvP. Just take a look at his last few ZvPs. He has been owning it up lately. He manhandled kiwikaki in the IPL.


I don't think this is true at all. One bo3 doesn't prove anything. And more importantly especially when you take a closer look at the games and how Idra won them. In game 1, that was pure starsense. His overlord spotted the chrono boosted citadel (while kiwi was going for a blink fakeout into dts). Kiwi suspiciously did not have a stalker there to deny that scout. Red flag 1. Idra comes back a few seconds later to see that the citadel has stopped being cbed. Still no stalkers. Red flag 2. And then he is super active with all his lings and sees SO little stalkers and gas units that he manages to snipe his nexus. BIG red flag 3. Morphs an overseer at the back of his nat like a champ denies any harass and is in a HUGE lead. He's able to make like 20 drones at that point cause he knows kiwi has no army and has sacced his army for a failed attack. No return on invesment.

Game 2. Kiwi does another risky (considering the current trend) 2 gate expo. Gets a quick stargate. Take note of the VR pathing which will come into play in game 3. At first I thought kiwi was doing such a risky opening because he worked out very specific timings for that all in roach build. But his VR goes straight for Idra's third. Anyways he does some damage with his phoenixes, Idra goes for a drop. BOTCHES his drop and loses a wholleee bunch of hydras and roaches for nothing. He then almost loses 800 minerals (or really 1600) worth of overlords. He drops roaches at the nat and at the main. Draws kiwi's forces back. At this moment if Kiwi defends well then he's in a huge huge lead. But Idra attacks kiwi's third at the same time and kiwi's collosus are also left out in the open. After this great nexus snipe Idra does multiple-prong drops through out the entire game with his roaches. And he specifically targets them with his roaches, keeping the probe count down superrrr low. He rolls him with his army later on.

Problem is, this strategy is actually pretty risky (Especially on a map like shakuras). If Kiwi had defended JUST a little better he would've been in a commanding lead. He didn't make a single cannon at his main or nat min line. That's the key to defending against this type of drop play (Though it stil cuts it close, see cruncher vs mondi on shakuras). But yeah, if you don't inflictbig dmaage as a zerg, you lose. Picking off probes is way harder than it looks. If kiwi had a cannon there that would've bought him more time, ran his probes away, Idra wouldn't have picked anything off but a cannon (Then he would've loaded his stuff back ran away and attacked his third at the same time). I think Kiwi will be WAY more prepared next time, if they face off again in the IPL.

Game 3: Well yeah...Again if you look at the pathing of the VR it was hunting for a third base and NOT for some sort of early bling or roach cheese which would've been a safe, defensive opening.

So nooo. I don't think Idra is 50x better at zvp now than he was, what, two weeks ago lol. All I see is he's been all inning more (2 base hydras, roach cheese, etc.) and being more aggressive. He's pretty much been trying anything and everything even when he ladders on his stream. But I don't think he's really found a "solid" strategy yet.

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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 01 2011 06:36 GMT
#831
On May 01 2011 15:10 Duoma wrote:
MC wins Dreamhack and Copenhagen in decisive fashion.

Is no longer world's best player.

The internet can be so fickle. MC is still statistically the best PvPer inside or outside of korea. One Bo3 involving a 2-gate proxy does not change that. Ace played intelligently and deserved the wins, but this series alone has essentially no weight on MC's reign as PvP god.

While it is true that MC has not been dominating everything he touches recently, it is difficult to argue that any other player in the world has been consistently winning as much as MC. One might even go as far as to say he is bi-winning.

MC has won 30,000 USD in the month of April, 3,000 more than the next highest player(MVP). His winnings in march(40,000) surpassed the #2 spot by 25,000.

If MC stops winning when it matters, then perhaps we can say he is no longer dominating the scene. As it stands, MC is comfortably the most successful SC2 player to date. One Bo3 does not change that.

it's not because MC isn't winning every game that he's no longer considered the best player, more so that everyone else is playing much better

MVP hasn't dropped a BoX since entering the WCs and did really well in the GSTL, and Nestea might even WIN code S this season making him another 2 time champion

also, it's not fair to compare winnings when one player has entered a lot more tournaments than the other
riboflavin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 01 2011 06:40 GMT
#832
Poor MC. It feels like PvP is turning against him lately. I think he still def. has it, but others are catching up faster than he (and some of the other champions of SC2) can improve. I hope the guys that are 0-for will play doubly hard and make this thing interesting midway through the season.
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
May 01 2011 06:42 GMT
#833
MC is now losing in PvP too, but he's supposed to be invincible, right?
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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
May 01 2011 07:59 GMT
#834
On May 01 2011 15:42 ArnaudF wrote:
MC is now losing in PvP too, but he's supposed to be invincible, right?

If Superman played Starcraft, PvP would be his Kryptonite. No Protoss can ever get 100% winrate in PvP
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
May 01 2011 08:20 GMT
#835
Wow Ace beat MC in PvP! How does Ace do so well in Foreigner tournaments but no so well in his own .
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aLuLz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
May 01 2011 08:48 GMT
#836
So glad MC lost :D
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
May 01 2011 10:03 GMT
#837
Why all the MC hate...
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
May 01 2011 10:14 GMT
#838
On May 01 2011 14:04 SayHello wrote:
Imo MC is just dropping these games intentionally. Last week crazy builds vs Ret. Now this...


Haha fool.. thats no MC style. Its to win everything and even if he needs to abuse something he goes for it to win.
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Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
May 01 2011 10:20 GMT
#839
Maybe... just MAYBE... MC is just really good but he can still lose?

It's probably the same people that call players 'ZOMG BEST IN THE WORLD' when doing well, that call them not the best player in the world after losing.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 11:32:59
May 01 2011 10:42 GMT
#840
e: nevermind
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