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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 30 2011 03:48 GMT
#701
Aww... bad spawn for Slush.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 30 2011 03:48 GMT
#702
On April 30 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 12:45 ChaseR wrote:
I remember back in the day, Mass Roach was the way to go ZvT, why did they stop? Cuz of 2 supply? Pft, Roaches are even better with 4 range and rape Marines :S


Because at 2 supply the T can match each roach with a Marauder, and Marauders just roll over Roaches while casually chuckling the entire way to the Z's base.


And because stimmed marines tear roaches to shreds. At one supply, the roaches would be in equal numbers to the marines, so they did okay (especially when they had 2 armor), but at 2 supply, marines straight up kill them.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
April 30 2011 03:48 GMT
#703
On April 30 2011 12:45 Aequos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 12:44 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:39 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:35 Whitewing wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:34 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:31 VoirDire wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:27 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:22 VoirDire wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:14 Pajegetc wrote:
[quote]

Nah, it's a terrible map for hydra, if he went Mass Mass mutaling harass/counterattacks on the other hand he would of dominated

It looks like you missed the game. Axslav actually opened phoenix, which off course negates any muta play. If you don't build hydras, you pretty much die. (see game 1 of the series).


the thing is if you produce a lot if force the protoss players to either make more Pheonix and less colossus because for every 2 pheonix you force, that is 1 less colossus. And mutas in bigger numbers destroy pheonix.

So mutas destroy phoenix in large numbers? ...ok. I'm not going to continue this discussion.


Actually yes if you don't let them kite you. But keep yourself closed minded.


Not much you can do about it if the protoss has good micro, phoenix are faster and outrange the mutas, so in a straight up fight mutas do okay, if the protoss micros, it doesn't matter how many mutas you have.


They require constant micro to take advangtte you pull back when they try to kite then pull forward. Most of the time you can snipe 1- 3. And again, 2 pheonix = 1 less colossus.

Yeah, but what are your producing that requires Colossi to kill? Hydras? Don't forget, every 2 Hydras = 1 less Muta = fewer Phoenixes = more Colossi.


Lots and lots of Lings. Most of the gas going to mutas/upgrades.

Zealots do fine against lings. So do the early-game sentries you may have left over.

So sad seeing Kawaii go down like that, but you really need to prepare for that sort of thing.


I heard Mutalisk do pretty good against zealots. Also depends mostly on upgrades. Also with harass I like to pick off sentries. Fully upgraded lings are beastly against Toss.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
April 30 2011 03:49 GMT
#704
notice how terran keeps on getting 4 gated / roach rushed etc on cross-fire?
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 30 2011 03:50 GMT
#705
Actual macro game coming from Slush and Kawaii, should be exciting.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
April 30 2011 03:50 GMT
#706
On April 30 2011 12:49 openbox1 wrote:
notice how terran keeps on getting 4 gated / roach rushed etc on cross-fire?


Yeah, you would really think they would expect it by now. The funny thing is, the stats on NASL show Zerg winning every matchup on crossfire. How ironic...
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 30 2011 03:52 GMT
#707
On April 30 2011 12:48 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 12:45 Aequos wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:44 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:39 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:35 Whitewing wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:34 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:31 VoirDire wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:27 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:22 VoirDire wrote:
[quote]
It looks like you missed the game. Axslav actually opened phoenix, which off course negates any muta play. If you don't build hydras, you pretty much die. (see game 1 of the series).


the thing is if you produce a lot if force the protoss players to either make more Pheonix and less colossus because for every 2 pheonix you force, that is 1 less colossus. And mutas in bigger numbers destroy pheonix.

So mutas destroy phoenix in large numbers? ...ok. I'm not going to continue this discussion.


Actually yes if you don't let them kite you. But keep yourself closed minded.


Not much you can do about it if the protoss has good micro, phoenix are faster and outrange the mutas, so in a straight up fight mutas do okay, if the protoss micros, it doesn't matter how many mutas you have.


They require constant micro to take advangtte you pull back when they try to kite then pull forward. Most of the time you can snipe 1- 3. And again, 2 pheonix = 1 less colossus.

Yeah, but what are your producing that requires Colossi to kill? Hydras? Don't forget, every 2 Hydras = 1 less Muta = fewer Phoenixes = more Colossi.


Lots and lots of Lings. Most of the gas going to mutas/upgrades.

Zealots do fine against lings. So do the early-game sentries you may have left over.

So sad seeing Kawaii go down like that, but you really need to prepare for that sort of thing.


I heard Mutalisk do pretty good against zealots. Also depends mostly on upgrades. Also with harass I like to pick off sentries. Fully upgraded lings are beastly against Toss.


Someone tried that against me on ladder early today, with careful positioning I didn't lose any sentries, and I kept sharking as iNcontroL puts it, forcing him to make more and more lings, while I teched up and expanded. Wound up being 5 base toss vs. 4 base zerg after I sniped his third twice, and I wound up walking over him 200 supply to 130ish with an army made of chargelots, blink stalkers, colossi, archons, void rays and carriers, I just had so much money. He just kept throwing money away and never got close to my econ, it didn't seem good. Possible that he was just bad, but the blink stalkers I had shut down his mutas easy.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
April 30 2011 03:53 GMT
#708
im so excited right now
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 03:54:47
April 30 2011 03:53 GMT
#709
Yes!! Come on Slush!!!!

Edit: Woo!! Slush you sexy man!
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
April 30 2011 03:54 GMT
#710
Where are the Force Fields when you need them...
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 30 2011 03:54 GMT
#711
Wow, love mass ling/bling rolling through marines, it's so cool =)
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 30 2011 03:54 GMT
#712
FAIL by Kawaii. Complete fail.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#713
Slush well aware that he cant beat kawaii in a macro game
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#714
Meh, slush wins with some clever all ins. Was hoping for macro games
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#715
NOOOOOO!! How did Kawaii lost that?!?! I don't believe this!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#716
On April 30 2011 12:54 Moonwrath wrote:
Wow, love mass ling/bling rolling through marines, it's so cool =)


Its always exciting lol
Love is more fun than hate.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#717
On April 30 2011 12:52 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2011 12:48 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:45 Aequos wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:44 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:39 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:35 Whitewing wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:34 Pajegetc wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:31 VoirDire wrote:
On April 30 2011 12:27 Pajegetc wrote:
[quote]

the thing is if you produce a lot if force the protoss players to either make more Pheonix and less colossus because for every 2 pheonix you force, that is 1 less colossus. And mutas in bigger numbers destroy pheonix.

So mutas destroy phoenix in large numbers? ...ok. I'm not going to continue this discussion.


Actually yes if you don't let them kite you. But keep yourself closed minded.


Not much you can do about it if the protoss has good micro, phoenix are faster and outrange the mutas, so in a straight up fight mutas do okay, if the protoss micros, it doesn't matter how many mutas you have.


They require constant micro to take advangtte you pull back when they try to kite then pull forward. Most of the time you can snipe 1- 3. And again, 2 pheonix = 1 less colossus.

Yeah, but what are your producing that requires Colossi to kill? Hydras? Don't forget, every 2 Hydras = 1 less Muta = fewer Phoenixes = more Colossi.


Lots and lots of Lings. Most of the gas going to mutas/upgrades.

Zealots do fine against lings. So do the early-game sentries you may have left over.

So sad seeing Kawaii go down like that, but you really need to prepare for that sort of thing.


I heard Mutalisk do pretty good against zealots. Also depends mostly on upgrades. Also with harass I like to pick off sentries. Fully upgraded lings are beastly against Toss.


Someone tried that against me on ladder early today, with careful positioning I didn't lose any sentries, and I kept sharking as iNcontroL puts it, forcing him to make more and more lings, while I teched up and expanded. Wound up being 5 base toss vs. 4 base zerg after I sniped his third twice, and I wound up walking over him 200 supply to 130ish with an army made of chargelots, blink stalkers, colossi, archons, void rays and carriers, I just had so much money. He just kept throwing money away and never got close to my econ, it didn't seem good. Possible that he was just bad, but the blink stalkers I had shut down his mutas easy.


He sounds really bad. Did he even bother teching to hive or anything? The whole point of the build is to PREVENT you from getting that far XD
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
April 30 2011 03:55 GMT
#718
On April 30 2011 12:55 FinestHour wrote:
Slush well aware that he cant beat kawaii in a macro game


you sir dont know slush at all
and awesome job slush!!! ggs!
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Hipster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States57 Posts
April 30 2011 03:56 GMT
#719
nice explanation by gretorp
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
April 30 2011 03:56 GMT
#720
Whenever I see banelings rolling after marines, I think about the boulder in the first Indiana Jones movie.
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