EPT[GSL] Code S r16 Day 1 - Page 86
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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HQuality
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 too bad Polt is gone | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:19 Poopi wrote: For code A it was really predictable (there were A LOT of monstruous terrans) but for code S I doubt anyone predicted MC, Genius, San, Alicia to fall that early. By the way it'll be very interesting to see who is finally the zerg king between LosirA, NesTea and July (or FruitDealer but I doubt he'll beat NesTea in ZvZ...) The Zerg king has to marry the a zerg queen and spawn infested terrans for the rest of his life :D imo: 1) Losira (his ZvP is the best in the world I think and he is the least predictable) 2) July (he is July, great macro, great decisions, but loses to often because he doesnt play it safe) 3) Nestea (a little overrated. he is maybe the best player of all in theory, but I dont think his style is the best in SC2) 4) Fruitdealer (dont know, he is great but he keeps on using banelings vs forcefields...) | ||
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Greem
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 i guess news spreading quick among zergs. I wonder if 1 gate forge expand with 3-4 cannons and few centrys gonna hold it. But for me the problem is scouting it | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
Losira!! If I was a millionaire I'd sponsor that amazing dude and team IM that made him what he is. Zerg hero hwaitin! | ||
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Zannadar
Turkey294 Posts
"Leave it to me" "Noone leaves here aliiiiive" It cracks me up big time when I hear them talking like that but I have no idea where those are from? | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:07 Greem wrote: I see lot of people complaining about 2 base high economy pressure from zerg. Its been out for a long time i guess, but ppl wasnt abusing it at correct timing i believe. But i already lost to it 3 times today on a ladder after todays GSL i guess news spreading quick among zergs. I wonder if 1 gate forge expand with 3-4 cannons and few centrys gonna hold it. But for me the problem is scouting it its rather 2base low econmoy what Losira did, and well: this build isnt so new, it has been played since months against Protoss, but this is the first time Ive seen a ProZerg doing it. Btw it is nearly the same build as THE standard ZvZ build, most players use. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
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Taiyoken
Canada130 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:23 Zannadar wrote: Anyone know about where the lines from Tastosis are derived from? "Leave it to me" "Noone leaves here aliiiiive" It cracks me up big time when I hear them talking like that but I have no idea where those are from? Marauder quotes. | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
winning by losing. When will the toss stop? I'm super-excite about losira's zvp.  | ||
Poopi
France12750 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:23 1Eris1 wrote: Supernova =(. He has such good TvZ and TvP, but weak TvT. TOP is cool though. As for the whole Losira/Alicia debate, personally I think Alicia is overrated thanks to Artosis but w/e. Don't use a LR thread to argue a MU is imbalanced or balance. Just make a seperate (and thought out) thread please How is Alicia overrated? In PvZ I'm not sure, but in general, when you can eliminate Bomber from the qualifiers, beat NaDa, Zenio and MarineKing in group stages, or 3-kill against IM (LosirA and NesTea included), I don't call such player an overrated one but a SICK one. It's more that LosirA is as good as him and that PvZ is not as broken as a lot of people claims it to be. | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:56 Poopi wrote: How is Alicia overrated? In PvZ I'm not sure, but in general, when you can eliminate Bomber from the qualifiers, beat NaDa, Zenio and MarineKing in group stages, or 3-kill against IM (LosirA and NesTea included), I don't call such player an overrated one but a SICK one. It's more that LosirA is as good as him and that PvZ is not as broken as a lot of people claims it to be. Eh, wouldn't go that far, Artosis himself (being a huge Alicia fan and ZvP whiner) called for a Losira win. Alicia is amazing, possibly the best PvT'er in the world (probably thanks to the ridiculously strong Terran lineup in SlayerS), but his PvP and PvZ are a bit untested. Not that it isn't Code S material, but it's nothing scary / noteworthy like his PvT (which most of us follow him for). Losira, though, is probably the best ZvP'er in the world. It's a shame Alicia had to be taken out this early, I wanted to see him crush more Terran. Hopefully he can get his other matchups up to par with his PvT eventually... | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:45 illsick wrote: I feel like the korean terrans/zergs found a way to beat the protoss race, they are getting handled in code S and in code A. Not quite though; a lot of protosses knocked eachother out earlier and the ones left aren't really what people would consider to be the favorites anyways in their matchups. With a few exceptions (MC/Alicia), the tosses knocked out aren't really that amazing. And since a lot of hard-hitters in other races are out too (MVP/MKP) I don't think it's a really fair statement. That said, taking down protosses after their months of domination just looks so damn awesome as a spectator. | ||
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hitman133295
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hitman133295
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On April 28 2011 23:23 spacemonkeyy wrote: Of course I know what metagame means, it's the strategy based on exploiting current play styles and findings weaknesses. For example there was a time where terran used to go all in with 2 rax marines and scvs upon scouting close by zerg fast expansions typically 15 hatch. Why get your knickers in a knot, its fair to say one race is further ahead in the metagame than another in such a way that a good counter to that strategy has not yet been developed and is exploiting their more well known strategys. P.s I said I think its quite balanced, just think you zergs/terrans should chill a little bit observe current TRENDS. You obviously been listening to idra so much that you just automatically assume what he says is correct. Just making observations, not definitive journal articles. Exactly haha, man you're so right. IdrA QQ all the time that effected ppl so much | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 28 2011 22:03 MrCon wrote: I don't know, perhaps stay on one base longer, or spam canons, or make zealot/stalkers instead of sentries, or using chrono on gates only (just some ideas, I really don't know). I feel the zergs until now never realized that their 2 base macro and unit spam capabilities with 2 hatches are just enormous. Most of the time they just use those capabilities for pumping more drones and hitting 200/200 very fast, but it's obviously not the way to go. 2 hatches vs 3 gates is like half the production for the 3 gates, even with non cost effective units I feel like zergs don't abuse this feature enough. If you read me in some previous live report threads, I usually "rage" (at least I'm frustrated) at "macro zergs" that don't abuse the mega timing they have against a fast expanding toss. I feel that when every zerg will use that timing, the protoss will learn to defend it but with economic loss compared to the current builds. So the zergs will be able to enter mid and late game on an equal foot (army wise) I agree, on those maps where natural is so wide open toss needs to forge expand as opposed to heavy sentry in order to survive this. Staying with one base while Zerg is getting 3 -4 is not an answer as protoss will get destroyed by numbers and economy mid game. Another alternative is Toss needs to delay the expo and throw some cheese in like cannon rushing and after patch 2 gate to throw monkey wrench in this build. Actually Toss should always delay expo no matter what and alicia did not do that. I also agree completely about Zerg aggression. I've long said July is my favorite because he doesn't let other players breath - win or lose - and that's exactly way Zerg is meant to be played according to race description on Bnet and from BW. LoSirA just does it a little more refined. If you let toss get their 9 sentry, 10 stalkers and 10 zealots he'll just walk in and kill you with perfect FF and ramp too. Time to attack is with only 9 sentry 2 min earlier when are are attempting their sentry pushes. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On April 29 2011 04:20 hmunkey wrote: Not quite though; a lot of protosses knocked eachother out earlier and the ones left aren't really what people would consider to be the favorites anyways in their matchups. With a few exceptions (MC/Alicia), the tosses knocked out aren't really that amazing. And since a lot of hard-hitters in other races are out too (MVP/MKP) I don't think it's a really fair statement. That said, taking down protosses after their months of domination just looks so damn awesome as a spectator. I think the best protosses are knocked out: MC, san, alicia, and genius (with exception of maybe anypro but he was shaky in his ro32, losing to a terran/virus). The ones left barely made it out of group stages (ro32), none of them made out of group undefeated or top spot. I definitely wouldn't say they were knocked out by their same race. I'm excited to see day 2 ro16 to see how the other protoss do. There is a huge possibility that no protoss will make it to ro8. They seem to be all underdogs. Anypro versus July is going to be so good. clide v killer? virus v inca? anypro v july? | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On April 29 2011 03:56 Poopi wrote: How is Alicia overrated? In PvZ I'm not sure, but in general, when you can eliminate Bomber from the qualifiers, beat NaDa, Zenio and MarineKing in group stages, or 3-kill against IM (LosirA and NesTea included), I don't call such player an overrated one but a SICK one. It's more that LosirA is as good as him and that PvZ is not as broken as a lot of people claims it to be. Well watching game 1, his decision making after the rush was extremely poor. He dropped a 3rd nexus, a robo bay, and then pushed out immediately AFTER scouting ling / hydra, which was more or less a direct counter to what he had at the time, which was a couple immortals, lot of sentries, and a few zealots / stalkers. I know he had to get something done, but teching, expanding, and pressuring with a weak army all at the same time was not it, and he should have known that. | ||
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