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On April 19 2011 16:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 16:19 Grummler wrote:
Seems really stupid to play in a tournament without having read the tournament rules (chapter "maps used").
Its not like its the first time Tyler enters an important tournament totally unprepared. In his TSL matches he scouted close position even though it was impossible to spawn on close positions. He just didnt know because.. who knows?. Maybe he doesnt care at all. Some random tournaments, who cares about the map modifications? Maps used says GSL Crevasse. Picture on NASL.tv is the picture of GSL Crevasse. It was not GSL Crevasse (it's a map that never appeared on GSL but was how Crevasse looked like in their Beta map testing period). Please don't say things unless you know what you're talking about. The mistake is not with Tyler here. Although he should not have used the words he did. NASL has issues an apology and map change newspost.
Thank you, Nazgul, for clarifying this. Because when "mere mortals" state it they are always assumed to be in error or worse, "fanboys".
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On April 18 2011 14:00 fudge_mokey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:36 iNcontroL wrote:
Let me just say this:
1. I am WAY against the humor displayed in that show during the intermission. I will speak on behalf of it being removed from future broadcasts.
2. This was a mistake. It's really really bad. I know the NASL is upset about it and will fix it. There is no way to go back in time.. but please know we are sorry.
3. Maps were updated. There is no legitimate argument for using the outdated maps. That too was a mistake overlooked by not consulting the pro players of the squad (me and gretorp). It has been rectified.
Some inside info:
The NASL isn't a bustling studio of 30 people. It's 5 production people and 2 commentators. We are hiring out professional help for the sound (after the problems) we consult pro's on the stage etc... but we are not some huge broadcasting company. When people say "mistakes like this shouldn't happen.. you need to watch for mistakes!" They do. They do the best they can. A lot of these guys are running off of 4 or less hours a night. Encoding, editing, doing graphics etc.. all each day after this schedule. Do they want your sympathy? No. No they do not. Do they expect better results than what we have produced? MORE THAN YOU KNOW. Nobody is more pissed than Russ and co after each mistake.
This is the first week. None of them came from a broadcasting / league background. All of them are chasing a dream and trying to do it to the best of their abilities. When we make mistakes please tell us with all of this in mind. If you STILL feel the need to say "FIRE X" or "THIS IS FUCKING TERRIBLE" then I guess go ahead and do that.
I get to wake up in the same house as these people and watch them go at it for another 16 hours each day.
It is absolutely unacceptable to make these mistakes and they will not be made continuously. As they happen they get fixed asap. In the end it makes us better. We were never planning on 1 season so we have time to fix these things. Ideally, would they never have happened? OF COURSE. Is it possible to have caught these faster? CERTAINLY. But we didn't and we are sorry. Please understand the sheer effort and work that is going into this. This league is growing and it has growing pains. It also has amateur mistakes and huge errors. All of which will be sorted out as they come up.
Kudos to you guys for chasing your dreams and trying to bring esports to NA, but I'm having trouble feeling sympathy for the problems you guys are having. People were saying from the start that the people in charge were NOT the right people to be running a league. You yourself say that NONE of you come from a broadcasting/league background, what did you expect to happen? Your broadcast is full of amateur mistakes and that's completely understandable but it's time to realize that you need professionals to run something of this caliber. It's fine to have amateur mistakes and screw ups but the time for these mistakes is BEFORE you hype up your league, BEFORE you recruit all the pros and sponsors and most importantly BEFORE you take thousands of peoples money who were only trying to support you and support Esports. I think you should've had some kind of free to watch pre season or something to work out the kinks because the way you've misrepresented yourselves is not only dishonest and unfair to your paying customers, it's detrimental to Esports. With all that said I do still support what you're trying to do and would like to wish you good luck in the future. Hope everything turns around nicely and that NASL becomes the success I know you all want it to be.
I completely agree with this, i feel completely ripped off after all the hype surrounding this league. Everytime someone voice concerns you guys were overly confident that this was going to be the best possible league with unmatched production. When i payed for it was expecting a much higher quality then what i got. You guys promised it would be better and have less problems then the jinro idra showmatch, so far i dont see it, in fact its had far more problems.
There should have been some beta test phase with show matches to work out all these kinks, paying customers shouldnt have to pay for something this sloppy.
The price is soo high for the caliber of this league. I know its not everyday but look at how FXOPEN does their tournaments, they pull those off in many different languages with top players without a hitch, ive watched both and seen very few mistakes, you guys have a whole crew and it seems like the whole crew iss just making mistake after mistake. The casters for instance, incontrol you have the ability to be a great caster. but keeping gretorp around is hurting this league hugely, do you hear the amount of people complaining about him? he just isnt caster material and people arent going to change their minds about it.
I really dont think it matters if you guys are working your asses off, if yoou are and it still isnt working then you defenetly have the wrong people for the job, you need to hire some proffesionals.
Honestly i just feel ripped off entirely 25 dollars is quite a bit to put down at once, i put it down based on incontrol xeris and russ's promises for this league, the difference between what you guys said this league was going to be and what it actually is , there is a huge difference. Players are getting pissed off , customers are getting pissed off. You guys would need to have a complete turn around in the next couple weeks to change peoples minds, a HUGE makeover, if that cant then i dont see this league going anywhere and its going to set esports back quite a bit. This is why you received so much critisicm to begin with people didnt think you guys knew what you were doing, and guess what it turns out you didnt even after you reaasurred us 100's of times over the past few months.
Honestly i just want my money back this is the last week im going to give this league a chance before its a write off. I really want you guys to be succesful and although you did listen to the community you need to listen to us more we are your customer base, im not talking about listen to every single person, but there are things that keep popping up (ahem gretorp as an example) and things like this need to be taken care of. So please i hope this league has a complete turn around because this is compeletly unacceptable for a league you have to pay 25 dollars for, especially when i have watched tons of free tournaments with 10 times the quality (TSL anyone)
I find it an absolute joy to watch the TSL its my favourite online league its just so exciting, its simple and very well done with great casters, and hey its free. I love esports and i just think right now NASL is hurting esports more than anything, GL on turning it around, but i think it needs a total makeover.
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On April 19 2011 21:23 Susp wrote:
Anyone knows when eu restream start?
The restream was yesterday
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uh that seemed really harsh and unfortunate for the LAGTV guys if that's true.
It seems that NASL asked LAGTV to provide content. LAG TV did and asked "are you sure", NASL said yes we are sure and it's ok. Then the backlash started coming.
All the anger shouldn't be directed at the LAGTV especially because they gave a warning that there are "sensitive" jokes involved and they were given permission. They don't even need to issue the apology imo.
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On April 19 2011 16:19 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote:
For some reason NASL used a modified or outdated version of the map and Tyler didn't know about it. Seems like a really stupid decision not to use the maps all the other tournaments use, but apparently they are changing the map pool after this.
Mana seemed to know about the ramp as he made his gates there Seems really stupid to play in a tournament without having read the tournament rules (chapter "maps used").
Incontrol apparently didn't know either, so...
EDIT: And what Nazgul said.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the community is the only thing that could ruin this league. These guys are trying to put on a great tournament with lots of top players, and I applaud that effort enthusiastically. Anyone that tries to do such a thing is surely within the scope of promoting e-sports and providing worthwhile content to people like me that want to watch pro games. It's amazing that they could even get a league like this going, much less have it be with a huge prize pool and tons of games.
This being their maiden run, it's inevitable that they have issues. No major tournament has run through its entirety without some. GSL, TSL3, MLG, and even a couple of the ESL events have all had stream or player issues in some capacity. Not to mention, all of those tournaments (save perhaps TSL3) are being aided by paid professionals who have done this before with other games. Any issues with streaming should be forgiven, as it has proven difficult and imperfect even for the best.
Content issues are another problem entirely. While I, and many other guys my age, see little problem with so-called offensive material, some people may have it. It's the fault of the NASL for not checking the content of the people they requested it from. However, I don't think the broadcast of anything so mildly offensive requires such a full-scale apology from anyone. If you don't like their humor, you have every right not to watch. This same argument goes for the casting, too; if you don't like iNc and Gretorp, don't watch their casts.
Map choices are odd. Just as Blizzard designs their map pool to get what they want out of the ladder, we do hope the NASL designed their map pool to make interesting and exciting games. However, with maps like Blistering Sands 2.0 (still can't take a safe third) and beta versions of maps like Tal'darim and Crevasse, it's a little bit suspect. Definitely not a choice made by players, as iNcontroL said.
The decisions they've made regarding their schedule and the forfeit of games has been somewhat consistent and rather fair. They've even changed their schedule to be more flexible. Any complaint about this is pretty ignorant at this point.
Overall, they are doing a pretty good job, given what they have. I wouldn't damn them on their first run, but there are obviously some problems that could be addressed. It's up to the heads of the NASL to decide what direction they want their tournament to head in, and so far it seems that they're willing to work with what the community wants to get the best of both worlds.
So don't be so pessimistic! This league will, in time, be just as awesome as GSL. Just let them work out the kinks.
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It's REALLY awesome that Boxer is looking stronger than ever. Despite showing stronger macro in the TSL match against Sen, I was a bit concerned by how much Drewbie appeared to be outclassing him in that department. I hope he continues to focus on improving his macro play.
I've basically started watching this NASL because of Boxer, I feel like he was a great choice for an invite.
On a side note, I have to be a bit critical of Gretorp's casting (i hope i have that right). His approach to casting is too laid back and seriously lacking in energy. Maybe he's trying to be more professional, or maybe that is just his personality, but every time I watch him speak it makes me want to curl up and sleep. Whatever it is, it certainly doesn't translate well onscreen and sucks out any enthusiasm that InControl has to offer within the dynamic.
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Paying customer here.
It's the second week now, I'm never home to watch the 'live' EU re-stream, I go to the nasl website, click videos tab, go to matchups, click on a game I want to watch, and when I press play on the video the website refreshes. The video never plays.
So then i go back to the justin tv page of the nasl, and I scroll to the bottom, there are random games listed, completely disorganized, I have to click 'more videos', then there is a list of videos and the videos are different matchups all clumped together in one, named only by the week and division. I have to click on one of these bulky long videos, which are too high quality for me to stream without tons of buffering time, so I have to wait for a while just to see what the heck I am going to watch.
Meanwhile, the GSL just started, I'm wishing I never put down money for the NASL and instead would have Tastosis commentating over quality material thats uploaded quickly in an organized fashion. A tournament that I can stream HQ with no need to buffer.
So I ask, what have I paid for? Yes, I understand this is new, and I am here to support e-sports. But how long do I have to wait for some organization? And, are others having these problems as well?
**edit** After watching one of the VODs today, I should say that the buffering problem is much better now compared to last week for me. I still need to buffer but only a little bit. Hooray!
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On April 19 2011 22:54 yamato77 wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the community is the only thing that could ruin this league. These guys are trying to put on a great tournament with lots of top players, and I applaud that effort enthusiastically. Anyone that tries to do such a thing is surely within the scope of promoting e-sports and providing worthwhile content to people like me that want to watch pro games. It's amazing that they could even get a league like this going, much less have it be with a huge prize pool and tons of games.
This being their maiden run, it's inevitable that they have issues. No major tournament has run through its entirety without some. GSL, TSL3, MLG, and even a couple of the ESL events have all had stream or player issues in some capacity. Not to mention, all of those tournaments (save perhaps TSL3) are being aided by paid professionals who have done this before with other games. Any issues with streaming should be forgiven, as it has proven difficult and imperfect even for the best.
Content issues are another problem entirely. While I, and many other guys my age, see little problem with so-called offensive material, some people may have it. It's the fault of the NASL for not checking the content of the people they requested it from. However, I don't think the broadcast of anything so mildly offensive requires such a full-scale apology from anyone. If you don't like their humor, you have every right not to watch. This same argument goes for the casting, too; if you don't like iNc and Gretorp, don't watch their casts.
Map choices are odd. Just as Blizzard designs their map pool to get what they want out of the ladder, we do hope the NASL designed their map pool to make interesting and exciting games. However, with maps like Blistering Sands 2.0 (still can't take a safe third) and beta versions of maps like Tal'darim and Crevasse, it's a little bit suspect. Definitely not a choice made by players, as iNcontroL said.
The decisions they've made regarding their schedule and the forfeit of games has been somewhat consistent and rather fair. They've even changed their schedule to be more flexible. Any complaint about this is pretty ignorant at this point.
Overall, they are doing a pretty good job, given what they have. I wouldn't damn them on their first run, but there are obviously some problems that could be addressed. It's up to the heads of the NASL to decide what direction they want their tournament to head in, and so far it seems that they're willing to work with what the community wants to get the best of both worlds.
So don't be so pessimistic! This league will, in time, be just as awesome as GSL. Just let them work out the kinks.
Its not live so i dont think it will ever be as awesome as the GSL, did you see code s today? they are seriously stepping it up over there at the gom studio super impressive. My complaint is that it is very very unpolished and amateur for a product that you have to shell out 25 dollars for , for hd access and VODS, The hd although it may look nice paused is actually horrendous and runs at about 15 frames per second wich gives me a massive headache, that mixed with the sub par casting means by the end of it i have a full blown migraine going.
If they are going to charge for it they should have done showmatch tests to work out all the kinks first , a pilot episode or 2 if you will. Look at it like this, between TSL GSL IEM MLG (save the latest one obviously but MLG in general) have you ever heard so many complaints about a tournament? clearly they are not appeasing their fan base if so many people are openly complaining about so many different aspects of the tournament. People want them to get this right, i payed 25 dollars i dont want to stop watching i want them to change the casters, get a better backdrop for their casting desk or just a better set for it in general so it doesnt look like they are casting from a cage. I want the 1080p to run at more than 15 frames per second (this is how they encode it , it has nothing to do with my computer its like this for everyone if you dont notice it then your eyes arent good enough). I want them not to cancel the most hyped up matches of the week, to have a better map pool. To deliver on the unmatched production value that they promised us , i want them to not spoil the matches before they happen (oops ). I want them to properly integrate the music so that its not still playing while they are talking and only playing during the gaames (even then its poorly mixed into the rest of the sound).
Look at the TSL it is a far better tournament done with probably far fewer resources and no studio that i know of, if NASL cant get it right with "proffesional" staff and a decent studio then i dont really have much confidence in them since people new to the scene (FXOPENS for instance) have made far better tournaments with far less resources. I dunno if they just dumped all the money into the prize pool or what but they are slowly starting to lose the respect of the community and that is not good for esports in the west at all. Lets hope IPL can succeed where they have failed so far.
I really hope next week starts off without any hitches or im afraid the NASL will lose alot of its subscriber base really fast it has already halved (thursday sitting around 8k) since the launch if mistakes like this continue i could see it halving again. For so much hype they havent even touched the TSL numbers (around 50k opening day) and this is supposed to be the premiere league for north america, they have a longgg way to go before they can even touch the GSL (if thats even possible)
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On April 19 2011 23:38 FlattLine wrote:
Paying customer here.
It's the second week now, I'm never home to watch the 'live' EU re-stream, I go to the nasl website, click videos tab, go to matchups, click on a game I want to watch, and when I press play on the video the website refreshes. The video never plays.
So then i go back to the justin tv page of the nasl, and I scroll to the bottom, there are random games listed, completely disorganized, I have to click 'more videos', then there is a list of videos and the videos are different matchups all clumped together in one, named only by the week and division. I have to click on one of these bulky long videos, which are too high quality for me to stream without tons of buffering time, so I have to wait for a while just to see what the heck I am going to watch.
Meanwhile, the GSL just started, I'm wishing I never put down money for the NASL and instead would have Tastosis commentating over quality material thats uploaded quickly in an organized fashion. A tournament that I can stream HQ with no need to buffer.
So I ask, what have I paid for? Yes, I understand this is new, and I am here to support e-sports. But how long do I have to wait for some organization? And, are others having these problems as well?
Yep i pretty much have all the same problems, when i was watching the NASL this week i was thinking meh its okay, then i watch the TSL i go wow this is so much better caster wise sound wise layout wise game wise.
Then i watch the GSL WOWOW they stepped it up so much this season the stream is better production value seems higher, sooo many new good players, so many things to be excited about.
Now i look back at the NASL, and realise that there are so many things they need to improve on, i dunno i didnt really think it would be up to par with GSL or TSL even though they said "unmatched production value"
I am also having the same problems with you with the videos, less so with the streaming of the videos and more so organization, for day 5 most of it was jumbled into 1 video then it strayed off and seperated into others i didnt know wich was the begining and wich was the end because they werent labelled properly. Also when i do actually play it , the stream and vods are encoded at a very low FPS (maybe to save time? or maybe just a mistake) but they run so choppy its not smooth at all , hope they fix this for next week 15 fps is literally unwatchable for me , sure it looks nice at 1080p but its not smooth at all and it defenetly isnt anything to do with my computer many other people have mentioned it must be the encoding as well.
And im not expecting tasteless and artosis quality per se, just something better than gretorp \=_=/
that would be nice i honestly just dont think he has the voice or the look for casting =( i feel bad for the guy but its just true I wish he was the perfect caster for the job from the getgo but i dont think hes audience friendly like say day9 husky HD DJWheat JP (even if i dont necessarily like all those casters they are all way more audience friendly then Gretorp)
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lol wtf is the "look" for casting? many complaints are valid, but some are off-the-charts ridic
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For all of you asking for a trial run they did one - the clash of the titans between idra snd jinro.
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I went on vacation over the weekend, and I come back and everyone is talking about some offensive video or something? What's everyone talking about?
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On April 19 2011 22:54 yamato77 wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the community is the only thing that could ruin this league. These guys are trying to put on a great tournament with lots of top players, and I applaud that effort enthusiastically. Anyone that tries to do such a thing is surely within the scope of promoting e-sports and providing worthwhile content to people like me that want to watch pro games. It's amazing that they could even get a league like this going, much less have it be with a huge prize pool and tons of games.
This being their maiden run, it's inevitable that they have issues. No major tournament has run through its entirety without some. GSL, TSL3, MLG, and even a couple of the ESL events have all had stream or player issues in some capacity. Not to mention, all of those tournaments (save perhaps TSL3) are being aided by paid professionals who have done this before with other games. Any issues with streaming should be forgiven, as it has proven difficult and imperfect even for the best.
Content issues are another problem entirely. While I, and many other guys my age, see little problem with so-called offensive material, some people may have it. It's the fault of the NASL for not checking the content of the people they requested it from. However, I don't think the broadcast of anything so mildly offensive requires such a full-scale apology from anyone. If you don't like their humor, you have every right not to watch. This same argument goes for the casting, too; if you don't like iNc and Gretorp, don't watch their casts.
Map choices are odd. Just as Blizzard designs their map pool to get what they want out of the ladder, we do hope the NASL designed their map pool to make interesting and exciting games. However, with maps like Blistering Sands 2.0 (still can't take a safe third) and beta versions of maps like Tal'darim and Crevasse, it's a little bit suspect. Definitely not a choice made by players, as iNcontroL said.
The decisions they've made regarding their schedule and the forfeit of games has been somewhat consistent and rather fair. They've even changed their schedule to be more flexible. Any complaint about this is pretty ignorant at this point.
Overall, they are doing a pretty good job, given what they have. I wouldn't damn them on their first run, but there are obviously some problems that could be addressed. It's up to the heads of the NASL to decide what direction they want their tournament to head in, and so far it seems that they're willing to work with what the community wants to get the best of both worlds.
So don't be so pessimistic! This league will, in time, be just as awesome as GSL. Just let them work out the kinks.
will never understand that attitude.
the uproar would be smaller if things would be handled smarter . but right now we have a overhyped league thats pretty much pay2view and has lower quality then random free streams run by amateurs sitting at home.
also they are competing with gsl for money. very few people will pay 20$ / month to watch both (even more if you wanna get HD passes for mlg or others). and gsl is WORLDS ahead in evry aspect.
all the community wants is a decent product. thats not just the case right now.
be sure evryone here wants nasl to succeed. but esports is business and not charity. esp when its such a harsh payment model (most other content is free, esl is WAY cheaper and has free vods etc).
the moment you cross that line you gotta make sure you can deliver what you promise. thats the way it is evrywhere and shouldnt be different here just because its "for esports!".
thats just facts. im very dissappointed myself over all this. it couldve been great and i really hoped for incontrol "his thing" would start off with a blast.
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I'm kinda confused by the scoring system. Players with a win have different points, some have 1 some have 2. Why is that?
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I'm very satisfied with Nasl, and happy I have so much more good starcraft to look forward to every day. Good casting, good games, good players. The only problem is the horrible instability of the Justin.tv stream. I have yet to tune in to a flawless viewing experience in that regard.
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On April 20 2011 00:28 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 22:54 yamato77 wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; the community is the only thing that could ruin this league. These guys are trying to put on a great tournament with lots of top players, and I applaud that effort enthusiastically. Anyone that tries to do such a thing is surely within the scope of promoting e-sports and providing worthwhile content to people like me that want to watch pro games. It's amazing that they could even get a league like this going, much less have it be with a huge prize pool and tons of games.
This being their maiden run, it's inevitable that they have issues. No major tournament has run through its entirety without some. GSL, TSL3, MLG, and even a couple of the ESL events have all had stream or player issues in some capacity. Not to mention, all of those tournaments (save perhaps TSL3) are being aided by paid professionals who have done this before with other games. Any issues with streaming should be forgiven, as it has proven difficult and imperfect even for the best.
Content issues are another problem entirely. While I, and many other guys my age, see little problem with so-called offensive material, some people may have it. It's the fault of the NASL for not checking the content of the people they requested it from. However, I don't think the broadcast of anything so mildly offensive requires such a full-scale apology from anyone. If you don't like their humor, you have every right not to watch. This same argument goes for the casting, too; if you don't like iNc and Gretorp, don't watch their casts.
Map choices are odd. Just as Blizzard designs their map pool to get what they want out of the ladder, we do hope the NASL designed their map pool to make interesting and exciting games. However, with maps like Blistering Sands 2.0 (still can't take a safe third) and beta versions of maps like Tal'darim and Crevasse, it's a little bit suspect. Definitely not a choice made by players, as iNcontroL said.
The decisions they've made regarding their schedule and the forfeit of games has been somewhat consistent and rather fair. They've even changed their schedule to be more flexible. Any complaint about this is pretty ignorant at this point.
Overall, they are doing a pretty good job, given what they have. I wouldn't damn them on their first run, but there are obviously some problems that could be addressed. It's up to the heads of the NASL to decide what direction they want their tournament to head in, and so far it seems that they're willing to work with what the community wants to get the best of both worlds.
So don't be so pessimistic! This league will, in time, be just as awesome as GSL. Just let them work out the kinks. will never understand that attitude. the uproar would be smaller if things would be handled smarter . but right now we have a overhyped league thats pretty much pay2view and has lower quality then random free streams run by amateurs sitting at home. also they are competing with gsl for money. very few people will pay 20$ / month to watch both (even more if you wanna get HD passes for mlg or others). and gsl is WORLDS ahead in evry aspect. all the community wants is a decent product. thats not just the case right now. be sure evryone here wants nasl to succeed. but esports is business and not charity. esp when its such a harsh payment model (most other content is free, esl is WAY cheaper and has free vods etc). the moment you cross that line you gotta make sure you can deliver what you promise. thats the way it is evrywhere and shouldnt be different here just because its "for esports!". thats just facts. im very dissappointed myself over all this. it couldve been great and i really hoped for incontrol "his thing" would start off with a blast.
Aside from the supposed stream issues and VOD problems, everything else is either a matter of taste or something that NASL has already tried to work on. Even the video encoding and streaming will get better with time. GSL did not start at the level of production they are at now, I guarantee it.
I'm not saying you should definitely pay for it, but to lambast the league for it's issues in the first week of existence is a little bit premature.
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I'm going to chime in here and say that, for me, so far so good. I haven't paid for it because my internet can't handle HD streams very well, and I don't really care for VODs, but so far I've really enjoyed it, and while it still has a quite amatuerish feel to it, it's not totally a bad thing.
One thing I will rage about, is the maps.....that whole gaffe was quite unacceptable. Also, Incontrol and Gretorp....man up and either wear a nice suit/ tie, or just go completely casual, the half and half look just doesn't cut it and makes it seem really weird.
Incontrol is very solid as a caster and I really enjoy him and his mannerisms. Gretorp...well he needs some work. I'm not going to say he needs to be removed, but either he is too nervous right now, or he just isn't quite ready for the big stage. I know this is obvious, but someone like Day9 even guest casting from HIS computer would be a big improvement right now. I know they say they're keeping their casters for now, and that's fine, I still think it needs to be said that they are a bit of a weak point.
Oh, yeah, and some of you hardcore whiners need to grow up a bit. At worst you're out $25. If $25 sets you back that bad.....then maybe you should get off your butt and get a real job. Feeling "ripped off" and the like is just ridiculous, imo.
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