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On April 17 2011 06:27 .Enigma. wrote:
ZvP is just not fun to watch at all, not arguing balance AT ALL. It's just boring to watch.
Yeah, it's really boring, only topped by PvT. In long games it almost feels like the Protoss is on automatic. What I mean is that if I were to take over Nada's 200 army in Broodwar I would be totally destroyed, but if I would take over Hasuobs' army even I as a noob could roflstomp Morrow's 200 army.
BTW, doesn't it sound like Day9 already seen the match, or at least skimmed it trough?
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Ads in the middle of the game. Thanks TL.
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Terrible game by morrow, bad late game timings, did not harass. Finally, in that last fight, he just sat in the storms, it was like he had never seen a storm before. He also had no attempt to split his army between concaves.
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On April 17 2011 06:29 Uhh Negative wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:27 Dawski wrote:On April 17 2011 06:26 rapture wrote:
i think hasu wins now. zerg was way too passiv the last 10 minutes wtf are you talking about, zerg was as aggressive as anyone could POSSIBLY get. im sick of comments like this, same comments as idra vs MC game. he did 3 pushes in a row in the same FF choke just for the sake of pushing on aggression. That just pisses me off Lol are you serious? Hardly any useful aggression at all by zerg. Pushing up to the Protoss deathball is not agression. As zerg you have to take advantage of protoss immobility which MorroW did exactly zero. Really terrible play by MorroW.
There is no protoss immobility
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On April 17 2011 06:28 henreiman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:27 Rhokdar wrote:
Painful to watch how much better a 200/200 protoss army is compared to Zerg Irrelevant. MorroW played horrifically. He was up 200/200 to ~130 food, 4 base to 2 base, and got crushed. Gained a huge advantage then bad attacks, bad timings, deserved to lose.
So what was he sopposed to do? NOT attack? have 200/200 supply full of roaches hydras and corrupters? Then toss rolls over with death ball? Morrow instead constantly attacked kept remaxing, and toss still rolls over with death ball.
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On April 17 2011 06:29 Zufiras wrote:
every engagement vs a toss is a bad engagement
yep, that is true in 99% of the cases. most players didnt get this yet, you have to let the protoss dance between bases and overmacro him meanwhile
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On April 17 2011 06:28 Nakas wrote:
Neither of these casters knows a damn thing about zerg.
Really? Day9 knows nothing about zerg, you heard it here first everyone. :-/
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On April 17 2011 06:28 javy925 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:24 Lasbike wrote:On April 17 2011 06:24 vrok wrote:This game is pretty painful to watch as a zerg player.  Pretty much this. He was so far ahead, attacked with 200 vs 130 and couldn't do anything. morrow made absolutely horrendous engagements and lost a lot of units as a result. the supply was irrelevant.
The 4th was going down uncontested while Morrow was smashing into the natural of HasuObs and was also trying to kill one collossus specifically instead of trying to hit the other units.
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On April 17 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:28 Logros wrote:On April 17 2011 06:27 Dawski wrote:On April 17 2011 06:26 rapture wrote:
i think hasu wins now. zerg was way too passiv the last 10 minutes wtf are you talking about, zerg was as aggressive as anyone could POSSIBLY get. im sick of comments like this, same comments as idra vs MC game. he did 3 pushes in a row in the same FF choke just for the sake of pushing on aggression. That just pisses me off Yes he used drops and nydus and...wait a minute... Drops are bad vs observers and blink stalkers. Nydus can easily be taken down only by using probes.
k thats why terran never drops.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Morrow didn't even try to deny HasuObs third base, and he didn't handle those DTs well at all. Lost like 30 workers.
Every time I see Morrow play in big games I feel like he always 1 or 2 base all-ins. Now I've seen him macro, and I'm unimpressed.
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On April 17 2011 06:28 Dexington wrote:
I really feel like people play Zerg wrong.
Do some drops, nydus, ling harrass, some burrowed infestor shenanigans... You can't go ball vs. ball.
Actually if you go ultra/ling/bling/infestors you can.
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Seems like BW ZvP style doesn't work Morrow!
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On April 17 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:28 Logros wrote:On April 17 2011 06:27 Dawski wrote:On April 17 2011 06:26 rapture wrote:
i think hasu wins now. zerg was way too passiv the last 10 minutes wtf are you talking about, zerg was as aggressive as anyone could POSSIBLY get. im sick of comments like this, same comments as idra vs MC game. he did 3 pushes in a row in the same FF choke just for the sake of pushing on aggression. That just pisses me off Yes he used drops and nydus and...wait a minute... Drops are bad vs observers and blink stalkers. Nydus can easily be taken down only by using probes.
With this kind of mentality and thought process, the game will never evolve. Everything can be countered on paper but almost everything is viable at the right time in the right place.
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Morrow never even attempted to fake pressure on nat and attack third he just attacked on the same lane over and over again, no wonder he lost.
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On April 17 2011 06:30 Pajegetc wrote:
The problem with this match up is Zerg keeps trying to force this roach/hydra composition to work when it just doesn't.
The thing is, it doesn't work lategame but there is a timing window when it is absolutely necessary midgame.
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morrow attacked into a bunch of bad situations, never used drops, never used any multi-pronged attacks, and did not use infestors. The loss is 100% on him
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On April 17 2011 06:28 WhiteDog wrote:
Seriously, Day9 should just stop criticizing Morrow, it's boring.
He is like very very hard on him while he is one of the few that get one game off MC...
Just because zerg are whining about ZvP, he is trying to show us: listen, if morrow had infestor, more broodlord, blablabla.
Yes Clearly Day9 has no clue about zerg at all, they need to continue to 1A roaches into superior forces over and over!
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Morrow deserved to lose that, he was to passive. You shouldn't rush for a roach/hydra 200/200 army and then just sit on it. He was almost maxed around 14 minutes, yet he didn't really attack until 16 or 17. He should of attacked right around 13-14 minutes just to pressure and started teching for broodlords immediately. He would of won easily.
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On April 17 2011 06:29 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:26 Headshot wrote:On April 17 2011 06:25 HuHEN wrote:On April 17 2011 06:21 ZeromuS wrote:On April 17 2011 06:20 Designakrobat wrote:On April 17 2011 06:19 cyclone25 wrote:
This just shows that zergs can't be aggressive vs Protoss. 200/200 vs 130 supply and he can't engage ... this.... Have you not seen the super aggressive ling/bling based plays that have become a bit more popular lately? It can engage pretty well. Not to mention drops.. imagine those same armies but forcing the protoss to split his army up. Drops also force the Zerg army to split up. -.- But I agree that Roach/Hydra is not the ideal comp at this point in the game. The point is which army does better in smaller numbers. Collosi have to have meat with them... stalker balls are effective in... well balls.
Yes we don't see this enough at all. The reason the protoss army is so effective is because it's all together. If you force the protoss to split up his army but attacking multiple locations it will be much easier to deal with.
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