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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:34 enemy2010 wrote: The thing is, MC can have both. He could win so much games and tournaments AND be (sometimes) a gentleman. That would gain him so much more fans and make him even more famous and awesome. He has won the money, everybody knows that he is able to own and win. It could be time to show people that he is also a huge baller.  Great GREAT tournament overall! I didn't thought that this small tourney on one day would be that big in the end! So amazing! I dont even know how to put that in words! THANKS SWEDEN! :D :D :D People already mentioned it. MC was trying to be a gentleman and provide entertaining games by spotting White-Ra a 2-0 lead by not 4-gating. Can't blame him for playing to win after being 1 loss away from elimination. | ||
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Vipsanius
Netherlands708 Posts
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Bunnypanda
United States103 Posts
![[image loading]](http://littleimg.com/files/50997_s3oa5/MCpwns.jpg) MC rules. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
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Nifel
706 Posts
Well, not like a scrub like me can make calls on that (and this thread is probably not the right place for that anyway). Just kind of feel I've seen all PvP has to offer today. | ||
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Gezuz
Sweden306 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think the hype surrounding him is partially due to the fact that his execution and mechanics are generally perfect, which is pretty much why he has such a high success rate when he does play a standard 4gate game like everyone else. He's able to dictate the entire game; he seems to be in charge at all times. And obviously, plenty of other people play standard half the time too. But when you win most of your games by using any strategy, there's really no reason to change it up too often. Look, you cannot hate the player, or say he is a bad player because he is cheesing. If MC could win all the time with 4 gate, who gives two cents whether he would get annihilated in a macro game. Thats like saying I am the better golfer because I can drive the ball 350 yards and hit every green. If I three putt all the time and still lose to you I am not better. Period. Even if MC would lose consistently in a macro game (which isn't the case) what the hell does it matter if he can win before the game becomes a macro game. He has no need to play a macro game, why should he? You cannot argue the results, MC is winning. Alot. If you're going to say MC is bad because you don't think he can win a macro game it doesn't make sense. Last time I checked for any game or sport skill at the top is judged by results. A team might have the strongest players, and the strongest stats, but if they team doesn't perform they still suck. If you say MC sucks because you don't think he has the macro game skills you're basing it on some ridiculous arbitrary criteria that have no grounded basis. You could be the greatest player ever at playing games past the 10 minute mark, but if you lose all the time before then your terrible. Additonally if MC is so cheesy and not all around strong the word should be out. The prevailing notion in both SC2 and BW is that cheese can't really take you far if other players expect it. If MC is that cheesy, it shouldn't be too big of a deal for other players to start adapting and shutting down his shenanigans, and if he is truly just average in other areas he should struggle. If he doesn't he is either insanely good at his 4 gate, cheese control (which makes him a great player); or he actually has alot of skill at macro games as well. It's one thing to argue if MC is a complete player. It's another entirely to argue about whether or not he is good, there is literally nothing that supports the claim that MC isn't good. | ||
NEcropath
United States223 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:38 Valikyr wrote: Go ahead by all means but it won't improve you as a player which is the point of your practice, isn't it? Considering I never really bothered to learn how to cheese properly and usually focus on strictly Macro, this WILL be an improvement for me as a player in the sense that I'm expanding my options in any given match-up. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:36 NEcropath wrote: Just because of this conversation, I'm going to spend all day on the ladder doing Proxies and DT Rushes. Sounds good. I'll watch you owning GSL. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:22 Kirb wrote: QFT! I never get why people in sc2 hate cheese THAT much in box tournament series. In bw lr threads their is so much hype if someone pulls out a well executed cheese and the defender tries to hang in their. In sc2 lr threads their's just hate. I think there is a lot of BW like enthusiasm in SC2 also, but there's a very vocal minority and a lot of sheepish followers that think that to HATE or be Disgusted by something makes you interesting, more Powerful. But those negative emotions just give a minor satisfactions and it is, in the end, emotionally very draining. The need for a new Highs of Negative energy is required almost immediately, hence the many negative posts, but let me tell you, You will never be satisfied unless you accept that your powerless. You can't change a thing. In the contrary, I enjoyed myself, have a big smile on my face and am feeling great and whenever, tomorrow, next week or in a couple of months something reminds me of this tournament I will feel great again. Who's the Winner now. | ||
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centinel4
Austria50 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:28 Focuspants wrote: Ya hes only good at making builds and executing them better than other people, which is only you know... like... most of the game.... His micro is amazing. His game sense is amazing. His strategical decisions are pretty amazing. You don't win 2 GSL's, Dreamhack, etc.. from being some middle of the pack scrub that only knows how to 4gate. 4gating every game doesnt even get you far in Diamond league on friggin ladder, its not gonna win you GSL's. You seem to forget he has to play other matchups, not just PvP, and PvP is based around 1 basing. You people are so god damn hard to please. Its sad seing ppl just qq up and down the street after a really great tournament, and a really great series. omg thx! i dont understand how ppl can say MC aint good. if it is so easy please go and win all he has won yourself. if it only takes a lil bit of cheese and some 4gating. :D jeez. | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:39 andrewlt wrote: People already mentioned it. MC was trying to be a gentleman and provide entertaining games by spotting White-Ra a 2-0 lead by not 4-gating. Can't blame him for playing to win after being 1 loss away from elimination. Are you trolling? He got severely outplayed in the first 2 games. If MC is "playing to win" why would he give white-ra a 2-0 lead. | ||
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enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
Thanks for this epic day of Starcraft 2! This day will never be forgotten....ever!!! Good night TL, see you soon! | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:35 Slike wrote: I dont disagree on that , I said it. I disagree with the viability of this option being there... Why disagree? It's been in SC1 for what, 13 years now? And it makes for some entertaining spicing of matches. This is not cheese as you get in your ladder games, may look the same but it's nowhere near the same decision process that goes into why it gets performed, stop thinking of WhiteRa as a victim as you once was on ladder, he's not, he's probably banging his head on a wall now for not seeing it or laughing his ass off with MC instead of crying. May not have been the most visually attractive game in SC2 but I can't remember a more effective cheese or any other game that was decided purely in a mind battle, did even more than 1 probe die that game? Did even 1 probe die that game?. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:37 Avalain wrote: IMHO, I think the cheese hatred comes from people wanting to see an epic game for the 5th game of a best-of-5 finals. i didnt know pvp could have interesting games. i get excited by the stakes, drama, and storylines and less by the game itself. dont get me wrong, i love a great management game but that is incredibly rare and shouldn't be forced or manufactured. | ||
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Coldviolet
United States110 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
MC < White Ra Other builds. | ||
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