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Lanker
United Kingdom17 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:07 OnlineHero wrote: How can you say that these games didn't show that Kas is better than Nada? Did you watch it lol? As I stated: one Bo5 win does not make one player better than another. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
I've seen people say that much of the bad KR-US lag that many of the Koreans talked about after the first two TSL weekends was due to damaged network infrastructure in Japan. Now that Japan has had some time to repair damaged equipment and so on, has the lag improved? What are KR-US pings normally, without network infrastructure damage? It seems that a very long fiberoptic cable across the Pacific wouldn't actually add much; Tokyo is only 40 light-milliseconds from LA. Of course, there is probably equipment at either end that adds some. | ||
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Balthazar
United States277 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:03 Hot_Bid wrote: People would know Kas better if he didn't just boss his way into the TSL in the first qualifier :/ Yeah, I forgot about that except for some random BM drama. He wont it quite convincingly but I don't think he was in complete boss mode like in the Nada games compared to back in the TLOpens. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Meanwhile its a shame that Kas' play today is getting overshadowed by all this banter, he led from the beginning in every single one of those games and never let go of control of the games. His achievements in online EU tournaments speaks for itself and he's extremely underrated by most people here in NA. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
  Oh god, my bracket ... only 2 round of 8 picks are still in the game and if mondi and boxer dont win, 0 out of 8. What has happened Best placement in BW liquibet ever (#49) and my SC2 liquibet could go under 50% for the first time Oo | ||
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NineKOne
Canada92 Posts
I have no doubt that Kas is better at TvT, Kas is probably a better player than Nada overall, I have little reserve when I say that Kas would 3-0 or 3-1 NaDa even at the GSL. But anyone who says that lag does not play a role in this tournament is too naive. Lag destroys micro, and when you are frantically clicking at your clumsy army, it is natural to forget depots and _queue_ (who needs queueing when you have 450 apm). Although that being said, it was announced ahead of time that the games are going to be played on the NA servers, and anyone with any reasonable common sense would realize that they need to practice with lag. But even if you are experienced playing with lag, it is still a handicap. Because lag is expected, and all players knew this coming into the tournament, it is NOT FAIR to blame the course of the tournament on lag. HOWEVER it IS fair to take into account lag when we evaluate the relative skills of the players after the outcome of a match. In this case, Kas is the more skilled player, but it might not be as 1 sided as it seemed to display in the match. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On April 11 2011 05:58 Chill wrote: How did MC micro his Zealot perfectly in game 1 vs Ciara? How did Nada micro his Banshee perfectly against TLO? Look at their ladder records - you'll notice every player sits in the 50% - 70% win range, even champions. If they don't prepare for their opponent they will have a possibility of losing to a strong competitor who has prepared. It's my theory that is exactly what happened here. Again like i said people treat lag like its stable, just because in one game someone can perform well and looks like their latency is okay, it doesnt mean its going to be constant one day the lag could be manageable and the next it could be far worse, i know for instance when i play wow depending on the time of day my lag can be anywhere from 80 ms, to 400 ms and thats playing on a server in my area, im not saying nada lost because of lag im saying in general Koreans have been playing far worse then how we see them play in the gsl, and this has nothing to do with how the other player is playing, they are making mistakes with their macro micro, mechanics. Im just wondering if anyone else has an explanation besides lag that would make sense as to why the koreans are making mistakes we would never see them make in a lan environment. It has nothing to do with who won or lost, it just has to do with how i view the koreans have played so far in this tournament and they have been severely underperforming with their mechanics Micro, Macro at times regardless of who won. | ||
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TalkSick
Bulgaria223 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:06 Arnfasta wrote: If I may Hot Bid, I think one of the things about Nada's play that has really shocked people and is part of the source of this outrage is that some of the mistakes he made were some uncharacteristic of him. Maybe he didn't prepare enough, may be school just got in the way or he underestimated Kas, but I think a lot of people are just confused as to how a professional player could make some of the basic macro mistakes. Especially someone like Nada considering all his SC1 experience as well ( considering unit production and avoiding supply blocks hasn't changed). First, your opponent playing well exacerbates a lot of errors you make. As for Nada's own play, I would attribute it to lack of practice than anything else. He was certainly prepared against TLO and in his game on Crevasse vs TLO (the one he lost to TLO's BCs), he played better in that one. Who knows what the reason was, but for someone like Nada who we know for a fact prepared heavily for the TLO series (the oGs team told us), it is not because he was not used to the NA lag. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On April 10 2011 18:56 jalstar wrote: Kas is so fucking good. He might 3-0 Nada even, Nada's not a TvT specialist or anything. My drunken first page ranting was entirely accurate? | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:09 Balthazar wrote: Just got here, why is stream down? Abit late my amigo. | ||
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space_yes
United States548 Posts
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:09 Balthazar wrote: Just got here, why is stream down? The matches are over. Adelscott vs. qxc went the distance, and I didn't get to see most of Nada vs. Kas but from what I see Kas roflstomped him, and people are saying that both Kas played fantastically and that Nada made some uncharacteristic mistakes. | ||
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Jman5
United States745 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:10 TalkSick wrote: Haters gonna hate. Kas roflstomped the "legend" NaDa and there's nothing that can take that away from him. I don't know how people can hate on Kas. His play all the way through has been fun to watch. I love that reaper opening and we can see how it really paid dividends this series. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
Not really surprising. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
I wasn't going to say anything since I didn't write out the prediction anywhere so it seems cheeky, but from what I saw in the Nada vs. TLO series I knew Kas beating him wouldn't be much of an upset. Kas is known to anyone who follows either the EU scene or the big clan matches that's been going on, and he seems to be regarded as Empire's ace player. He has beaten countless top EU and NA Terrans in the past, and is someone I'd place above TLO in terms of the sheer consistency of his play. If TLO could take a game off of Nada, Kas taking a series from him isn't all that surprising. Of course, if you're still living in the BW days, this would not be apparent. But in this TSL 3, it seems as though one age is passing while another is beginning. IdrA, Tyler, White-Ra - some of the very favorites of the foreigner's scene - have all been knocked out, while relative "unknowns" like Thorzain, Naniwa, and Kas have risen to the fore. But, then again, they are only unknown to the BW scene. I suppose I will leave this with the final observation that Thorzain, Naniwa, and Kas are all former WC 3 pros. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:09 p4NDemik wrote: Honestly, if you look at the body of work these two players have in this match up I don't understand how people can call this an upset and take all the weight of the loss and put it on lag. When NaDa has played Top-Tier terrans in GSL he has had his ass handed to him on a platter every time. 0-3 loss to MKP recently, 0-2 loss to MVP in Gainward earlier this year. Going back farther, a 1-3 loss to BoxeR. He beat TLO last round but hardly in convincing fashion. NaDa has never been a real force TvT, and it got exposed again today. Meanwhile its a shame that Kas' play today is getting overshadowed by all this banter, he led from the beginning in every single one of those games and never let go of control of the games. His achievements in online EU tournaments speaks for itself and he's extremely underrated by most people here in NA. Yes, I definitely see him as Europe's best Terran. He doesn't go to LANs though, and when he does, he tends to underperform, and seeing as TSL is the first ''big'' on-line tournament, it's probably his time to shine. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
that is winquote in english from the biggest german esports website. Kas had 61% of the votes there. On top of that just take a look at Diamonds post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8727855 | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46458 Posts
It seems like qxc vs. Adelscott was the only close/ good series this weekend, huh? | ||
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