[TSL] Ro16 Day 2 - Page 156

On April 11 2011 06:03 Hot_Bid wrote:
People would know Kas better if he didn't just boss his way into the TSL in the first qualifier :/

On April 11 2011 06:03 Numy wrote:


I didn't really want to enter this argument but this logic is beyond me. You are saying that known players must be more skillful than "unknown" players merely because they are known and skill has everything to do with being known? People do know him. Everyone in Europe should know him. I can hardly care about lag but your last paragraph is just wow.

Players don't magically just become known if they are good. They have to get their name out there. Naniwa has been known as one of the top EU Toss for a few months now but it takes a MLG win for people not in the loop to actually know of him and know how good he is. Kas/Thorzain are both testaments to the lack of knowledge truly out there. Stop pretending ignorance is some excusable factor that only happens because things are always as we assume they are.

On April 11 2011 06:09 p4NDemik wrote:
Honestly, if you look at the body of work these two players have in this match up I don't understand how people can call this an upset and take all the weight of the loss and put it on lag. When NaDa has played Top-Tier terrans in GSL he has had his ass handed to him on a platter every time. 0-3 loss to MKP recently, 0-2 loss to MVP in Gainward earlier this year. Going back farther, a 1-3 loss to BoxeR. He beat TLO last round but hardly in convincing fashion. NaDa has never been a real force TvT, and it got exposed again today.

Meanwhile its a shame that Kas' play today is getting overshadowed by all this banter, he led from the beginning in every single one of those games and never let go of control of the games. His achievements in online EU tournaments speaks for itself and he's extremely underrated by most people here in NA.

On April 11 2011 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed today's games

It seems like qxc vs. Adelscott was the only close/ good series this weekend, huh?

On April 11 2011 06:10 cheesemaster wrote:

Again like i said people treat lag like its stable, just because in one game someone can perform well and looks like their latency is okay, it doesnt mean its going to be constant one day the lag could be manageable and the next it could be far worse, i know for instance when i play wow depending on the time of day my lag can be anywhere from 80 ms, to 400 ms and thats playing on a server in my area, im not saying nada lost because of lag im saying in general Koreans have been playing far worse then how we see them play in the gsl, and this has nothing to do with how the other player is playing, they are making mistakes with their macro micro, mechanics. Im just wondering if anyone else has an explanation besides lag that would make sense as to why the koreans are making mistakes we would never see them make in a lan environment. It has nothing to do with who won or lost, it just has to do with how i view the koreans have played so far in this tournament and they have been severely underperforming with their mechanics Micro, Macro at times regardless of who won.

On April 11 2011 06:00 Hot_Bid wrote:


it's amazing to me that people don't see the inherent bias in how they perceive who wins and loses. Haypro loses a very close match 1-2 vs Kas with the same lag Nada has and there are 0 lag complaints. nobody said anything. then Nada gets absolutely dominated by Kas 0-3, often falling behind by 20 supply without any major engagements and people say "oh it was just lag." that's just ridiculous.

On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:

Who's calling this an upset?

On April 11 2011 06:17 flodeskum wrote:
How can people not know kas? You can't watch a single EU cup stream on here without kas placing very high. The guy is really good and clearly had worked a lot on his (already amazing) tvt for this match.

On April 11 2011 06:16 zeru wrote:

Who's calling this an upset?

On April 11 2011 06:15 CanucksJC wrote:

I just wanted to bring up a point but now you're just being a tool. I'm just saying, where I live, people don't really know him (THIS IS RELATIVE, SAY COMPARED TO JINRO OR HUK).

And are you fucking kidding me, I tried not to flame anyone, but ur lack of intelligence and comprehension is beyond me. If you're good, you win major tournaments, people know you. Maybe Kas was just sick good, but he didn't win anything major prior, That's not the point. See, people like Naniwa are more known, because 1. he's good 2. cuz he won a major tournament. Do you know how people win major tournaments? They're good. So if Kas was just as good as Naniwa, why isn't he more exposed? I'm just saying there must be a reason why people are calling this an upset -_-

On April 11 2011 06:10 cheesemaster wrote:
im not saying nada lost because of lag im saying in general Koreans have been playing far worse then how we see them play in the gsl, and this has nothing to do with how the other player is playing, they are making mistakes with their macro micro, mechanics. Im just wondering if anyone else has an explanation besides lag that would make sense as to why the koreans are making mistakes we would never see them make in a lan environment. It has nothing to do with who won or lost, it just has to do with how i view the koreans have played so far in this tournament and they have been severely underperforming with their mechanics Micro, Macro at times regardless of who won.