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On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first.
You say about problems but do not offer any solution. Basically IdrA had to guess anything since he didn't see anything. What if IdrA blindly made army and Cruncher went for Colossi/VoidRays composition, I'm pretty sure IdrA would lose that. I assume IdrA was expecting Colossi/VoidRays since it played really well in game 1 for Cruncher.
Many protoss players do fake-push, walking to the middle of the map forcing zerg build army, while expanding themselves. In game 3 IdrA was thinking that it was one of those.
As for game 1, please tell us what idra should've done against Cruncher's 'death ball'? I cannot find any answer for that.
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"As for game 1, please tell us what idra should've done against Cruncher's 'death ball'? I cannot find any answer for that."
I might be wrong here but, maybe he shouldn't have let him get to that point. Just an idea i had kicking around.
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On March 28 2011 18:55 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. You say about problems but do not offer any solution. Basically IdrA had to guess anything since he didn't see anything. What if IdrA blindly made army and Cruncher went for Colossi/VoidRays composition, I'm pretty sure IdrA would lose that. I assume IdrA was expecting Colossi/VoidRays since it played really well in game 1 for Cruncher. Many protoss players do fake-push, walking to the middle of the map forcing zerg build army, while expanding themselves. In game 3 IdrA was thinking that it was one of those. As for game 1, please tell us what idra should've done against Cruncher's 'death ball'? I cannot find any answer for that.
I didn't say i was going to offer any solution. I was simply trying to show how he was not "proving" anything with his statements.
I haven't even watched game 1. I don't plan to. I can't stand watching foreigners play. I watch the GSL only.
As for "blindly" making units while the Protoss gets Colossi/Voids he saw ~10 sentries. You can't go robo/stargate and make ~10 sentries. The sentries take up almost all of the gas. His push was clearly a push to kill/win. Not to fake the zerg out.
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Hello, can anyone tell me where the TSL is played? Is it a public event (i.e. in Korea) or do players play from their home PCs? Thank you for the information!
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On March 28 2011 19:31 Maj_sm_jz wrote:
Hello, can anyone tell me where the TSL is played? Is it a public event (i.e. in Korea) or do players play from their home PCs? Thank you for the information!
The games are played from their homes. That's why there is all the whine about lag.
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On March 28 2011 19:31 Maj_sm_jz wrote:
Hello, can anyone tell me where the TSL is played? Is it a public event (i.e. in Korea) or do players play from their home PCs? Thank you for the information!
It's online, they can play from anywhere, so most play from their home PC.
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On March 28 2011 15:34 ABOOMAN wrote:Show nested quote +In the end Idra is just being Idra, from his BW failures to his mediocrity in SC2 i dont think being top5 Z in the world equals mediocrity
Enlighten me on how you calculated Zerg positions in the world?
Yeah.. I thought so...
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On March 28 2011 19:35 Wesso wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 19:31 Maj_sm_jz wrote:
Hello, can anyone tell me where the TSL is played? Is it a public event (i.e. in Korea) or do players play from their home PCs? Thank you for the information! The games are played from their homes. That's why there is all the whine about lag.
Thank you Wesso and Kazang. Do you know what is the time interval between the games and actual stream? How do they make sure the info about winners does not get out?
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On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first.
Seriously ?
1. The drone prevented Cruncher from going 4 gate, scouted chrono on warp gate, forced cruncher to make a quick stalker, scouted the number of gate, prevented cruncher from doing any kind of stargate play... Are you seriously trolling ? Having such a scout early game is a great plus at this level.
2. Yes
3. Yes, so what ? What do you want him to do more he just basically sacrificed two overlord just to scout, you want him to launch his entire overlord fleet to scout the full 6 gates ?
4. No he did not failed, Cruncher first got out of his base, and IdrA retreated his ling. Then Cruncher just delayed his push, killed the lings near the second natural, thus leading IdrA into thinking cruncher would expand ? Then he delayed again, made a pylon, and goes for a FFspamming-Win-smiley combo.
The only thing that IdrA sucked at is playing safe. His scouting was as good as it can get with slow overlord and wall in from protoss.
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On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move.
And even with two overlords IdrA made the wrong decision. Who is the better player again? Cruncher knew IdrA wouldn't be expecting early aggression because of what he scouted so what should he do? He pushed, and won. Tell me now who the better player actually is.
Seems to me if Cruncher is bad IdrA must be worse. Either that or Cruncher is actually much better than you think, but you just want to dickride your hero some more and never accept defeat. IdrA lost, again.
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On March 28 2011 20:16 artanis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. And even with two overlords IdrA made the wrong decision. Who is the better player again? Cruncher knew IdrA wouldn't be expecting early aggression because of what he scouted so what should he do? He pushed, and won. Tell me now who the better player actually is. Seems to me if Cruncher is bad IdrA must be worse. Either that or Cruncher is actually much better than you think, but you just want to dickride your hero some more and never accept defeat. IdrA lost, again.
With two overlords he just scouted three gates and one expand. That's the state of the game, IdrA is basically whining about it since beta, what do you want him to do more?
He bet that Cruncher was going for a third, he lost, GG, nothing else to say.
Stop saying it has anything to do with IdrA being bad or overated player or Cruncher being better. I'm not saying he is good, he is just certainly NOT bad.
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On March 28 2011 20:14 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. Seriously ? 1. The drone prevented Cruncher from going 4 gate, scouted chrono on warp gate, forced cruncher to make a quick stalker... Are you seriously trolling ? Having such a scout early game is a great plus at this level. 2. Yes 3. Yes, so what ? What do you want him to do more he just basically sacrificed two overlord just to scout, you want him to launch his entire overlord fleet to scout the 6 gates ? 4. No he did not failed, Cruncher first got out of his base, and IdrA retreated his ling. Then Cruncher just delayed his push, killed the lings near the second natural, thus leading IdrA into thinking cruncher would expand ? Then he delayed again, made a pylon, and goes for a FFspamming Win and smiley combo. The only thing that IdrA sucked at is playing safe. His scouting was as good as it can get with slow overlord and wall in from protoss.
1. LOL the drone "prevented" him from going 4 gate. I'm not even going to bother saying anything about how bad you made yourself sound with that. And "scouting chrono on warpgate" hmmm i wonder why a protoss might chrono his warpgate upgrade? Maybe to get lots of wargates and rush. Kinda obvious isn't?
2+3. Yes he scouted but got very little info. I didn't say it was bad. I just said it was meaningless because any build could still be coming.
4. Yes he failed. Anyone who thinks he didn't fail is just a pure IdrA fan boy. You see chrono warpgates and ~10 sentries. Its 100% an attack to win/kill. 100%. No other option. You don't chrono the warpgate upgrade and make ~10 sentries to get a 2nd expo.
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Rather hilarious that Idra keeps commenting on the skill of other players while doing a remarkable job not proving he's own.
I must say, after all that BM from Idra, I would have most certainly went beyond just typing a '  ' in that last game.
Good to see at least some koreans advancing as well.
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no gg in official context? kinda silly
smiley faces during the game? extremely silly
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On March 28 2011 20:23 Rielle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 20:14 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. Seriously ? 1. The drone prevented Cruncher from going 4 gate, scouted chrono on warp gate, forced cruncher to make a quick stalker... Are you seriously trolling ? Having such a scout early game is a great plus at this level. 2. Yes 3. Yes, so what ? What do you want him to do more he just basically sacrificed two overlord just to scout, you want him to launch his entire overlord fleet to scout the 6 gates ? 4. No he did not failed, Cruncher first got out of his base, and IdrA retreated his ling. Then Cruncher just delayed his push, killed the lings near the second natural, thus leading IdrA into thinking cruncher would expand ? Then he delayed again, made a pylon, and goes for a FFspamming Win and smiley combo. The only thing that IdrA sucked at is playing safe. His scouting was as good as it can get with slow overlord and wall in from protoss. 1. LOL the drone "prevented" him from going 4 gate. I'm not even going to bother saying anything about how bad you made yourself sound with that. And "scouting chrono on warpgate" hmmm i wonder why a protoss might chrono his warpgate? Maybe to get lots of wargates and rush. Kinda obvious isn't? 2+3. Yes he scouted but got very little info. I didn't say it was bad. I just said it was meaningless because any build could still be coming. 4. Yes he failed. Anyone who thinks he didn't fail is just a pure IdrA fan boy. You see chrono warpgates and ~10 sentries. Its 100% an attack to win/kill. 100%. No other option. You don't chrono warpgate and make ~10 sentries to get a 2nd expo.
Are you serious? Don't you understand that going a 4gate and being scouted when you build the 4gate is like giving a freewin to your opponent ? With the drone, he prevented cruncher from making those 3 more warpgate long enough. I'm pretty sure that's why cruncher expanded. His expo timing was weird, using two + chronoboost on warp gate tech is not standard with such a fast expand, that's more like giving a free "I'm rushing you", but that kind of "I'm rushing you" is not viable at a certain level because the zerg just have to put static defense and win.
2+3 = But that's how you play zerg. You got to sack those overlord at certain timing because you have no other tools to scout and you can basically loose to a various type of strategy (from stargate play to 6 gate or dt).
4. Cruncher had 6 sentries, that's not off chart number of sentries... That's what I almost see everygame with a 3gate expand. The give away is more the number of stalker. IdrA sucked at not making spine crawlers and still producing drone I agree. He betted wrong.
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On March 28 2011 20:34 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 20:23 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 20:14 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. Seriously ? 1. The drone prevented Cruncher from going 4 gate, scouted chrono on warp gate, forced cruncher to make a quick stalker... Are you seriously trolling ? Having such a scout early game is a great plus at this level. 2. Yes 3. Yes, so what ? What do you want him to do more he just basically sacrificed two overlord just to scout, you want him to launch his entire overlord fleet to scout the 6 gates ? 4. No he did not failed, Cruncher first got out of his base, and IdrA retreated his ling. Then Cruncher just delayed his push, killed the lings near the second natural, thus leading IdrA into thinking cruncher would expand ? Then he delayed again, made a pylon, and goes for a FFspamming Win and smiley combo. The only thing that IdrA sucked at is playing safe. His scouting was as good as it can get with slow overlord and wall in from protoss. 1. LOL the drone "prevented" him from going 4 gate. I'm not even going to bother saying anything about how bad you made yourself sound with that. And "scouting chrono on warpgate" hmmm i wonder why a protoss might chrono his warpgate? Maybe to get lots of wargates and rush. Kinda obvious isn't? 2+3. Yes he scouted but got very little info. I didn't say it was bad. I just said it was meaningless because any build could still be coming. 4. Yes he failed. Anyone who thinks he didn't fail is just a pure IdrA fan boy. You see chrono warpgates and ~10 sentries. Its 100% an attack to win/kill. 100%. No other option. You don't chrono warpgate and make ~10 sentries to get a 2nd expo. Are you serious? Don't you understand that going a 4gate and being scouted when you build the 4gate is like giving a freewin to your opponent ? With the drone, he prevented cruncher from making those 3 more warpgate long enough. I'm pretty sure that's why cruncher expanded. His expo timing was weird, using two + chronoboost on warp gate tech is not standard with such a fast expand, that's more like giving a free "I'm rushing you", but that kind of "I'm rushing you" is not viable at a certain level because the zerg just have to put static defense and win. 2+3 = But that's how you play zerg. You got to sack those overlord at certain timing because you have no other tools to scout and you can basically loose to a various type of strategy (from stargate play to 6 gate or dt). 4. Cruncher had 6 sentries, that's not off chart number of sentries... That's what I almost see everygame with a 3gate expand. The give away is more the number of stalker. IdrA sucked at not making spine crawlers and still producing drone I agree. He betted wrong.
You seriously need to stop thinking IdrA's drone was magical and stopped a 4-gate because you are just making yourself look bad. All zergs drones stay in All protoss bases until after the cyber core and either a stalker/sentry come out. All protoss wait until this point to then make a 4-gate build.
IdrA's drone didn't stop a 4-gate. Cruncher chose a 2 base gate rush with lots of early sentries.
Also you always make lots of sentries early when rushing 2 base gate push timing. Why make Stalkers first and then sentries later? You always make the sentries first so they have LOTS of force fields.
IdrA knows this.
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I find it rly funny TSL managed to invite so many top-pros to this tournament and nearly all of them got knocked in first round. LOL.
Now its pretty weak tournament with only exception to MC who is so rude&proud (aka full of himself) in his interviews i hardly wanna watch him at all. Sad state of the game.
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On March 28 2011 20:40 Rielle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 20:34 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 20:23 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 20:14 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 18:17 Rielle wrote:On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote:On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote:
After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say:
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL.
In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops).
Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear.
I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. Seriously ? 1. The drone prevented Cruncher from going 4 gate, scouted chrono on warp gate, forced cruncher to make a quick stalker... Are you seriously trolling ? Having such a scout early game is a great plus at this level. 2. Yes 3. Yes, so what ? What do you want him to do more he just basically sacrificed two overlord just to scout, you want him to launch his entire overlord fleet to scout the 6 gates ? 4. No he did not failed, Cruncher first got out of his base, and IdrA retreated his ling. Then Cruncher just delayed his push, killed the lings near the second natural, thus leading IdrA into thinking cruncher would expand ? Then he delayed again, made a pylon, and goes for a FFspamming Win and smiley combo. The only thing that IdrA sucked at is playing safe. His scouting was as good as it can get with slow overlord and wall in from protoss. 1. LOL the drone "prevented" him from going 4 gate. I'm not even going to bother saying anything about how bad you made yourself sound with that. And "scouting chrono on warpgate" hmmm i wonder why a protoss might chrono his warpgate? Maybe to get lots of wargates and rush. Kinda obvious isn't? 2+3. Yes he scouted but got very little info. I didn't say it was bad. I just said it was meaningless because any build could still be coming. 4. Yes he failed. Anyone who thinks he didn't fail is just a pure IdrA fan boy. You see chrono warpgates and ~10 sentries. Its 100% an attack to win/kill. 100%. No other option. You don't chrono warpgate and make ~10 sentries to get a 2nd expo. Are you serious? Don't you understand that going a 4gate and being scouted when you build the 4gate is like giving a freewin to your opponent ? With the drone, he prevented cruncher from making those 3 more warpgate long enough. I'm pretty sure that's why cruncher expanded. His expo timing was weird, using two + chronoboost on warp gate tech is not standard with such a fast expand, that's more like giving a free "I'm rushing you", but that kind of "I'm rushing you" is not viable at a certain level because the zerg just have to put static defense and win. 2+3 = But that's how you play zerg. You got to sack those overlord at certain timing because you have no other tools to scout and you can basically loose to a various type of strategy (from stargate play to 6 gate or dt). 4. Cruncher had 6 sentries, that's not off chart number of sentries... That's what I almost see everygame with a 3gate expand. The give away is more the number of stalker. IdrA sucked at not making spine crawlers and still producing drone I agree. He betted wrong. You seriously need to stop thinking IdrA's drone was magical and stopped a 4-gate because you are just making yourself look bad. All zergs drones stay in All protoss bases until after the cyber core and either a stalker/sentry come out. All protoss wait until this point to then make a 4-gate build. IdrA's drone didn't stop a 4-gate. Cruncher chose a 2 base gate rush with lots of early sentries. Also you always make lots of sentries early when rushing 2 base gate push timing. Why make Stalkers first and then sentries later? You always make the sentries first so they have LOTS of force fields.IdrA knows this.
Damn... You do that, even if you go for a fast colossi play. The 6 or so sentries early are just so good that everybody makes them to stack up mana and give total map scouting.
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