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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL. In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops). Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear. I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote: After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say: Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL. In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops). Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear. I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. One BO3 does not deserve such judgment. IdrA's play since the January GSL has been lackluster - but then again, so has Mvp's (until he crushed face in this GSTL), so let's not make any rash conclusions based on few months of slumps. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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BuzzKerbox
Australia46 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:41 Qaatar wrote: Then you assume for the worst - IdrA's arrogance affected his decision making, and he lost. If he didn't try to cut corners and played as safe as possible, his superior mechanics in the late game would have won him the game. Not making excuses for him though - Cruncher played well. LoL man... seriously ? | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:48 Qaatar wrote: One BO3 does not deserve such judgment. IdrA's play since the January GSL has been lackluster - but then again, so has Mvp's (until he crushed face in this GSTL), so let's not make any rash conclusions based on few months of slumps. You might be correct that my last sentence was a bit too non-substantial, but I've watched several games of him in the past few months and he is clearly stagnating. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:44 Drazzzt wrote: After reading some of the discussion here on this thread and now watching the cruncher vs idra series I just have to say: Idra's play was _atrocious_ and he absolutely deserved to lose. In the first game his decision making was non-existent and he didn't seem to understand the ZvP matchup AT ALL. In the last game, he simply didn't scout properly and misjudged the incoming push (making drones instead of troops). Combining this with his pre-game arrogance and in-game BM, it's hard to bear. I usually respect Idra, but he seriously has to rethink his game and behavior. You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:23 blAke139 wrote: I thought Mondragon vs. Zeerax was one of the best series yesterday. + Show Spoiler + SPOILER: Not because they were quite even, but because Mondragon showed some outstanding swarm play. Loved that play. That was the worst series for me. ZeeRaX played terribly so it wasn't enjoyable to watch. | ||
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butch
Belgium684 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:23 blAke139 wrote: I thought Mondragon vs. Zeerax was one of the best series yesterday. + Show Spoiler + SPOILER: Not because they were quite even, but because Mondragon showed some outstanding swarm play. Loved that play. I found it rather unwatchable, Zeerax' play was SO BAD, it completely nullified the good play from Mondragon for me. For biggest upset, must be qxc vs genius, genius played decent vs MVP in the up & down matches and qxc was plain bad @ iem, glad he turned his play up a notch. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
I think so, yes. Only circumstantial evidence based upon my viewing of his games in the past few months, but yeah. He obviously didn't take Cruncher too seriously judging from his comments, and going all the way back to his JP and Friends appearance where he just trashed him on ladder. Just my opinion of course. Edit: the point being, if it was MC or White-Ra that he was facing, I'm sure IdrA's mindset going in would have been a lot different. Whether or not it affected his play is anyone's guess, but from all of the games that I've watched going back to the Oov days, how you perceive your oppenent is a large factor. | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:18 butch wrote: I found it rather unwatchable, Zeerax' play was SO BAD, it completely nullified the good play from Mondragon for me. For biggest upset, must be qxc vs genius, genius played decent vs MVP in the up & down matches and qxc was plain bad @ iem, glad he turned his play up a notch. I don't see a lot of players playing better while roaches are all over the place. You need some insane multitasking to counter something like that with Toss, especially if you play phoenix/void. It was just an insane style and it was executed so perfectly that ZeeRaX didn't stand a chance. Maybe he didn't play his best, but i think, even if he did, he would have been facerolled anyway. | ||
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butch
Belgium684 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:42 blAke139 wrote: I don't see a lot of players playing better while roaches are all over the place. You need some insane multitasking to counter something like that with Toss, especially if you play phoenix/void. It was just an insane style and it was executed so perfectly that ZeeRaX didn't stand a chance. Maybe he didn't play his best, but i think, even if he did, he would have been facerolled anyway. he had 2 colossi with no gateway support, banking 2k mins and 700 gas. His airmicro was plain bad, rallying them above spore crawlers he knew were there. He didn't go FFE, his wallin was shit, thus allowing Mondragon to kill that pylon, making him supp blocked. He doesn't even try to switch up his play that failed the 1st map... There were too many mistakes from Zeerax, but that doesn't take away that Mondragon played well. It didn't allow me to enjoy the match tho. | ||
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:52 butch wrote: he had 2 colossi with no gateway support, banking 2k mins and 700 gas. His airmicro was plain bad, rallying them above spore crawlers he knew were there. He didn't go FFE, his wallin was shit, thus allowing Mondragon to kill that pylon, making him supp blocked. He doesn't even try to switch up his play that failed the 1st map... There were too many mistakes from Zeerax, but that doesn't take away that Mondragon played well. It didn't allow me to enjoy the match tho. Still, even if Zeerax would have played his a-game, i don't see him winning against mondragons play there. He made some huge mistakes, but still he dealt some good damage with early air harassment (killed 3 or 4 queens and 3 or 4 ovs). I think it was enjoyable for me because this kind of play is what I expect more from zerg. It's just awesome swarm play, and i think this really fits to zerg and should be used more. And im callin it: Mondragon will at least get to the round of 4. I'm not a Fanboy. But I don't see that good opponents facing him next rounds (he will crush CrunCher I think and then he will get against Naniwa or Goody). I even see him get to the finals with his bracket if he keeps up the creative play. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 28 2011 18:01 blAke139 wrote: Still, even if Zeerax would have played his a-game, i don't see him winning against mondragons play there. He made some huge mistakes, but still he dealt some good damage with early air harassment (killed 3 or 4 queens and 3 or 4 ovs). I think it was enjoyable for me because this kind of play is what I expect more from zerg. It's just awesome swarm play, and i think this really fits to zerg and should be used more. And im callin it: Mondragon will at least get to the round of 4. I'm not a Fanboy. But I don't see that good opponents facing him next rounds (he will crush CrunCher I think and then he will get against Naniwa or Goody). I even see him get to the finals with his bracket if he keeps up the creative play. hey guys, here are all these amazing zerg constantly losing to protoss, but i dont think it means anything. however some zerg who hasnt actually properly played sc2 for very long beat some protoss who was playing like he belonged in platinum, but i believe, with no actual evidence or support, that no toss would be able to win against this. | ||
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Rielle
Australia91 Posts
On March 28 2011 17:13 WhiteDog wrote: You must be a low level player for saying such a thing, or you just did not see the same match as me. IdrA scouted a lot in game 3, he sacked 2 overlord and had a drone in cruncher's base for a minute or so, plus 4 zerglings waiting for the protoss to make a move. LOL you're calling Drazzzt a "low level" player and your proof is the way IdrA scouted game 3? 1. The first drone scout for that super massive "1 minute" is almost completely useless. Its purpose is to see if there is any proxying. Everyone knows that a protoss will get a Stalker/Sentry out to kill that drone before exposing any build. 2. The first sacked overlord saw 2 gates. There are many build you could "guess" he is going to do but nothing definitive. 3. The second sacked overlord saw the expo and 1 gate. So he knows there is an expo and 3 gates. Once again there are lots of builds you could "guess" from this but nothing definitive. 4. The lings are to detect the first push from the protoss. And here is where IdrA failed, and failed HARD! He saw the push and builds a few Roaches but also builds 7 probes! You're gonna defend a Protoss push by wasting your larva on drones? You should look in the mirror before you start putting people down. Or increase your own knowledge of the game first. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On March 28 2011 18:28 hugman wrote: IdrA losing is made even better by the fact that he talked so much shit about Huk's Sentry heavy pushes The only thing in common was that there were sentries; huk's "pushes" are off 3 gate expand and don't have any stalkers and aren't meant to end the game. They are risky because he doesn't know at all what his opponent has and he can easily lose them all while doing almost no damage | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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