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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On March 28 2011 15:55 WhiteDog wrote: Most of you just don't understand what happened. Cruncher goes forge expand twice, all the time just trying to go for 200/200 "timing" attack... And in the 3rd game, the first game where he was not going for a forge first, Day[9] said what every other mid level viewer was thinking : Cruncher is not going forge first... he might be 4gating. He was certainly trying to 4gate, keeping all his chrono for his cyber, but accidently let a drone scout the shit, so what do you do when you fail 4gate.... 6 gate  I'm amused how you can call that "tactics". It isn't tactics either if you just can't counter any sort of timing pushes and the only thing you really have a command of is long macro games. Cruncher made the right decisions and won. IdrA was BM and played not as good as he could. Maybe he shouldn't talk bs before the games and "prepare for it like it was a walkover". Arrogance doesn't pay off at last. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 28 2011 15:55 WhiteDog wrote: Most of you just don't understand what happened. Cruncher goes forge expand twice, all the time just trying to go for 200/200 "timing" attack... And in the 3rd game, the first game where he was not going for a forge first, Day[9] said what every other mid level viewer was thinking : Cruncher is not going forge first... he might be 4gating. He was certainly trying to 4gate, keeping all his chrono for his cyber, but accidently let a drone scout the shit, so what do you do when you fail 4gate.... 6 gate I'm amused how you can call that "tactics". The irony of course is that IdrA is so bad (and arrogant) at ZvP that he isn't able to react in game 3. The second I saw a round of drones go off, when he didn't even know whether it was a 4gate or not, I loled to myself knowing the game was over. If he had all those units when the push started, rather than coming out during the push, he would've crushed it, but he got greedy as per usual. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 28 2011 15:14 mastergriggy wrote: This is pretty much the reason I don't like Idra. He claims imbalance while other Zergs overcome. erm i don't know about you but every zerg who speaks out about balance complain, including gsl finalist july among others. difference between idra and other pro zergs is that idra is more vocal, and you cannot blame him for being frustrated. game 2 demonstrated the gap between the 2 players imo. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:04 bennyaus wrote: The irony of course is that IdrA is so bad (and arrogant) at ZvP that he isn't able to react in game 3. The second I saw a round of drones go off, when he didn't even know whether it was a 4gate or not, I loled to myself knowing the game was over. If he had all those units when the push started, rather than coming out during the push, he would've crushed it, but he got greedy as per usual. whilst u were loling to yourself you were failing to understand what was going on. all idra saw was the standard pressure sentry heavy play, and it was a 6 gate.. if idra doesnt respond correctly there he is behind, for example if it was just pressure and idra responds as if its a 6 gates hes miles behind and can only really go attack and it wont work because mass sentry are pgood defensively. fact is with your 20/20 hindsight and sight of the whole map its easy to sit back and say x should do y. i bet you sit there whilst people get proxied laughing at how they didnt scout that one place. | ||
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:04 imbs wrote: erm i don't know about you but every zerg who speaks out about balance complain, including gsl finalist july among others. difference between idra and other pro zergs is that idra is more vocal, and you cannot blame him for being frustrated. game 2 demonstrated the gap between the 2 players imo. Getting steamrolled by MC makes a lot of people complain. But remember: MC also showed us in the game vs. Ciara (he crushed him with 3 gates only, because he saw the opportunity) that he has superior unit control and doesn't even need a 4gate to crush a zerg. But that's not IMBANESS, that's just greater skill. I'm still hoping for a corruptor buff btw. but still I don't think IdrA would have deserved a win there. He just played wrong, period. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:08 blAke139 wrote: Getting steamrolled by MC makes a lot of people complain. But remember: MC also showed us in the game vs. Ciara (he crushed him with 3 gates only, because he saw the opportunity) that he has superior unit control and doesn't even need a 4gate to crush a zerg. But that's not IMBANESS, that's just greater skill. I'm still hoping for a corruptor buff btw. but still I don't think IdrA would have deserved a win there. He just played wrong, period. he complained in the pre-match interview, actually. and ciara is way worse than mc ofc he didnt win, even with the apparent lag. i didnt mention imbalance either im just saying pmuch all zergs complain. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:16 Scrandom wrote: I just watched the IdrA/cruncher and nada/tlo series. Are either of the other two series worth watching or any games in the series worth watching? Yeah Kas vs Haypro is pretty good, mondragon and zeerax dunno, I could not watch that serie. | ||
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ggggbabybabybaby
Canada304 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:16 Scrandom wrote: I just watched the IdrA/cruncher and nada/tlo series. Are either of the other two series worth watching or any games in the series worth watching? Haypro/Kas was a pretty solid set of games. Just standard play. Nothing too exciting but no silly cheesiness. Mondragon/Zeerax was wacky. Worth watching if you like units countering their hard counters. | ||
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blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:21 WhiteDog wrote: Yeah Kas vs Haypro is pretty good, mondragon and zeerax dunno, I could not watch that serie. I thought Mondragon vs. Zeerax was one of the best series yesterday. + Show Spoiler + SPOILER: Not because they were quite even, but because Mondragon showed some outstanding swarm play. Loved that play. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:16 Scrandom wrote: I just watched the IdrA/cruncher and nada/tlo series. Are either of the other two series worth watching or any games in the series worth watching? Definitely check out Mondragon vs Zeerax! | ||
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Niger16 Posts
On March 28 2011 15:32 zoN- wrote: Idra made 7 drones when Cruncher moved out, was just gg right there :/. Yeah. That was really weird. He even scouted, that Cruncher moves out and then makes drones. I was like 'wtf???' and then he loses ofc. Would like to know the reasoning of that decision. Probably something along the lines "Man, he's so bad, I can just power drones, even when he's pushing me"? :D | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:25 being wrote: Yeah. That was really weird. He even scouted, that Cruncher moves out and then makes drones. I was like 'wtf???' and then he loses ofc. Would like to know the reasoning of that decision. sometimes we are not always perfect. He most likely thought he had enough units to take on the push and wanted to squeak in more drones for an advantage. Or he felt like he had enough time to drone up. Or he may have misjudged Cruncher's resolve to attack. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Minimi][
Germany43 Posts
On March 28 2011 16:02 blAke139 wrote: It isn't tactics either if you just can't counter any sort of timing pushes and the only thing you really have a command of is long macro games. Cruncher made the right decisions and won. IdrA was BM and played not as good as he could. Maybe he shouldn't talk bs before the games and "prepare for it like it was a walkover". Arrogance doesn't pay off at last. Idra tried what he could to scout Crunchers base, but he couldn't see the additional warpgates. Then he had to make a coin flip, and he lost. | ||
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orangepie
United States24 Posts
as for all the balance talk.. well, I think it should stop! so annoying to read. there are so many factors in the game that you can't possibly get anywhere arguing one side or the other. I mean who's to say that TLO's mineral line micro at the beginning wasn't the reason he got the edge?! You can argue pretty much anything. Most people are basing balance issues off a few games in this tournament... ridiculous!? | ||
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On March 28 2011 16:35 Minimi][ wrote: Idra tried what he could to scout Crunchers base, but he couldn't see the additional warpgates. Then he had to make a coin flip, and he lost. Then you assume for the worst - IdrA's arrogance affected his decision making, and he lost. If he didn't try to cut corners and played as safe as possible, his superior mechanics in the late game would have won him the game. Not making excuses for him though - Cruncher played well. | ||
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