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On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something?
Essentially, it basically was.
his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me.
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On March 28 2011 07:25 silentsaint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:23 tripfiend wrote:On March 28 2011 07:21 Alsandair wrote:On March 28 2011 07:17 EscPlan9 wrote:On March 28 2011 07:11 andrewlt wrote:On March 28 2011 07:06 Harem wrote:On March 28 2011 07:05 trashcan wrote:
How'd Nada play with such bad lag?????????????????????????????????????????????? NaDa played from the ogs house. The connection there is a lot better. I'm not too familiar with how connection works. How does the OGS house's net connection not be as affected by the Japan earthquake compared to the connection of other Koreans? Does it have some special routing? You latency QQ'ers are ridiculous. Some say because he didn't play from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. Some say because he played from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. How about this instead - you are full of shit and have no clue how much relative lag they had. Go ahead and misquote someone on the lag from Korea, and then hope the actual player doesn't respond (like Jinro did mentioning his views on the Korea latency). Sorry about that everyone, I am just so tired of complaints on latency here. The games today were excellent, and I loved the casting duo of Wheat and Day9! I'm inclined to agree with this. I would perhaps be more open to the idea of lag interrupting a player's ability to succeed if sources were proven and critics unanimous (outside of the oGs house, at any rate). That's true. Though I am inclined to believe otherwise, there has'nt really been any proper confirmation of the latency issue. Well if a Thread from Jinro is not proper as a confirmation of the "no issue" I don't know what is proper on this holy TL ground -.-
What thread?
All I saw was that Jinro said it was not latency like in a video that appeard in the discussion, but that latency has an effect.
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On March 28 2011 07:23 starcraft2rush wrote:
are there any zergs left to cheer for in the tsl?
Mondragon, Sen, Morrow.
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More base than opponent = better economy, doesn't mean better army. If you want to win, you need to defeat armies, not harvest all ressources...
Harass, drops, do something. Don't just harvest!
If Idra can bm, other players can too. If others cant, Idra shouldnt be allowed neither
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On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me.
except a 200/200 void ray/colossus build doesnt lose... and its not supposed to against Zerg especially. The army value of it is ridiculously higher than they 200/200 of Idra's army
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On March 28 2011 07:26 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:25 chrisolo wrote:On March 28 2011 07:23 starcraft2rush wrote:
are there any zergs left to cheer for in the tsl? Mondragon. + Show Spoiler + Morrow
Yep, I feel alotta Z's about to QQ about balance... 3/16 is not much... but heck, it's actually better than it has been in some GSL seasons... (season 1 and 2 had basicly 1Z in ro8 - and both time that Z went on to win)...
So before all you Z's out there rage and shout about balance... Consider if it's a 50/50 balanced game... Yeah, then the Z's has a 50% chance of losing... This doesn't mean 50% should proceed... This means EVERY Z has a 50% chance of losing...
And yeah, surprised ppl could forgot MorroW who I'm actually rooting for ^_^
+ Show Spoiler +...btw to the guy who wrote 3 koreans, 3 americans, 3 germans and 3 swedes...
Cool to live in Denmark (right between Sweden and Germany) in a country that really doesn't do much for eSports :'/
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On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me.
Not really. Protoss macros up to 200/200 and then pushes while taking his fourth base. It's very standard and not all in at all.
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Nothing beats the Game 1 deathball, it's the entire purpose of patch 1.3.
I just wish this series was played today instead of before that patch came out ;(
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nada, mc, mondragon and morrow in the semis
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On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me.
The only thing you're saying is that Protoss is all-in by design, because if they somehow lose their entire army they can't remacro it, but that's not how it goes. You push with a 200/200 deathball and you might lose some of it, you don't lose your entire army.
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People just don't like deathballs is all..... and its somewhat understandable.
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On March 28 2011 07:33 Mailing wrote:
Nothing beats the Game 1 deathball, it's the entire purpose of patch 1.3.
I just wish this series was played today instead of before that patch came out ;(
IdrA beat the same build in game 2... besides, he just threw his Corruptors away and didn't engage well in general.
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On March 28 2011 07:34 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me. The only thing you're saying is that Protoss is all-in by design, because if they somehow lose their entire army they can't remacro it, but that's not how it goes. You push with a 200/200 deathball and you might lose some of it, you don't lose your entire army.
This.
And didn't people call Cruncher's 6-gate an "all-in", too? lol, wow.
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On March 28 2011 07:33 skycaptain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me. Not really. Protoss macros up to 200/200 and then pushes while taking his fourth base. It's very standard and not all in at all.
Turtling to 200/200 -> Taking 4th = Macro game? Good to know.
The only thing you're saying is that Protoss is all-in by design, because if they somehow lose their entire army they can't remacro it, but that's not how it goes. You push with a 200/200 deathball and you might lose some of it, you don't lose your entire army.
If only there were some other builds that Protoss could do instead of turtling to 200/200. Oh, wait, there are.
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On March 28 2011 07:35 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:33 Mailing wrote:
Nothing beats the Game 1 deathball, it's the entire purpose of patch 1.3.
I just wish this series was played today instead of before that patch came out ;( IdrA beat the same build in game 2... besides, he just threw his Corruptors away and didn't engage well in general.
Cruncher didn't have a deathball in game 2, he had like 1 colossus and 2 void rays when the attack came.
That's the point people are making. Zerg shouldn't play a normal macro game, they need to play a constant attack game with drops and harass and try to macro behind it. After 1.3 they can play any way they want, because 4-5 fungals will kill that void ray ball.
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On March 28 2011 07:36 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:33 skycaptain wrote:On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me. Not really. Protoss macros up to 200/200 and then pushes while taking his fourth base. It's very standard and not all in at all. Hurtling to 200/200 -> Taking 4th = Macro game? Good to know.
Yes. It is a macro game. Sorry if you want to see protoss take 8 bases before they max out every game. That's not how Starcraft 2 works.
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On March 28 2011 07:36 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:33 skycaptain wrote:On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me. Not really. Protoss macros up to 200/200 and then pushes while taking his fourth base. It's very standard and not all in at all. Turtling to 200/200 -> Taking 4th = Macro game? Good to know. Show nested quote +The only thing you're saying is that Protoss is all-in by design, because if they somehow lose their entire army they can't remacro it, but that's not how it goes. You push with a 200/200 deathball and you might lose some of it, you don't lose your entire army. If only there were some other builds that Protoss could do instead of turtling to 200/200. Oh, wait, there are.
you mad bro?
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Country Wars:
Records
Europe:Korea :: 3:3 (8 : 7)
Goody 2:1 NesTea
Adelscott 2:0 MVP
Ciara 0:2 MC
NightEnD 1:2 BoxeR
ThorZaIN 2:0 FruitDealer
TLO 1:2 NaDa
Americas:Korea :: 1:0 (2:0)
QXC 2:0 Genius
Americas:Europe :: 1:1 (3:2)
Huk 1:2 HasuObs
Tyler 2:0 Strelok
Americas:Asia :: 0:1 (0:2)
Fenix 0:2 Sen
Asia:Europe :: 0:1 (1:2)
Loner 1:2 White-Ra
Remaining Players
North America 3/6
CrunCher (2:1)
QXC (2:0)
Tyler (2:0)
Out:
IdrA (1:2)
HuK (1:2)
Fenix (0:2)
Korea 2/6
MC (2:0)
Boxer (2:1)
NaDa (2:1)
Out:
NesTea (1:2)
Genius (0:2)
MVP (0:2)
FruitDealer (0:2)
EU 9/16
Kas (2:1)
Naniwa (2:1)
Goody (2:1)
Adelscott (2:0)
Morrow (2:1)
HasuObs (2:1)
White-Ra (2:1)
ThorZaiN (2:0)
Mondragon (2:0)
Out:
HayprO (1:2)
Ret (1:2)
Jinro (1:2)
Ciara (0:2)
NightEnD (1:2)
Strelok (0:2)
ZeeRaX (0:2)
TLO (1:2)
Asia 1/2
Sen (2:0)
Out:
Loner (0:2)
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On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today.
Have you seen any other match like Haypro vs Kas? You see there was a lot of fight between the two bases, a lot of expo deny by Kas and such. Well that's basically what you call a good game.
Turtling on 3 base, abusing the architecture of a map that got changed some days after exactly because of that sucky type of play, is not "maccro style". Since when does turtling deliver any type of skilled game ? It entirely kills the whole dynamic of the game.
On March 28 2011 07:34 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:30 Jimmeh wrote:On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something? Essentially, it basically was. his entire plan was to turtle to 200/200 colossi/void ray and then push. If the push failed, he'd of lost the game because Idra would have had a stupid amount of bases. Sounds like an all-in to me. The only thing you're saying is that Protoss is all-in by design, because if they somehow lose their entire army they can't remacro it, but that's not how it goes. You push with a 200/200 deathball and you might lose some of it, you don't lose your entire army.
You are mixing everything. Having 200/200 then pushing is not an all in, but going for a 200/200 void ray colossi on one robotics and two stargate is an all in. You push, but if you loose your army, you are never gonna be able to get your army fast enough to not die to the counter attack against a zerg on 7 bases, which means at least 7 hatch... Cruncher did not try to tech switch to templar, heavy gateway play, he did not even try to add on more stargate or more robo, why is that so? Because it was all in, his goal was to get that deathball out the faster possible, not delayed because he added more production facilities, not delayed because he would have taken one or two bases.
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