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On March 28 2011 07:21 Alsandair wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:17 EscPlan9 wrote:On March 28 2011 07:11 andrewlt wrote:On March 28 2011 07:06 Harem wrote:On March 28 2011 07:05 trashcan wrote:
How'd Nada play with such bad lag?????????????????????????????????????????????? NaDa played from the ogs house. The connection there is a lot better. I'm not too familiar with how connection works. How does the OGS house's net connection not be as affected by the Japan earthquake compared to the connection of other Koreans? Does it have some special routing? You latency QQ'ers are ridiculous. Some say because he didn't play from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. Some say because he played from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. How about this instead - you are full of shit and have no clue how much relative lag they had. Go ahead and misquote someone on the lag from Korea, and then hope the actual player doesn't respond (like Jinro did mentioning his views on the Korea latency). Sorry about that everyone, I am just so tired of complaints on latency here. The games today were excellent, and I loved the casting duo of Wheat and Day9! I'm inclined to agree with this. I would perhaps be more open to the idea of lag interrupting a player's ability to succeed if sources were proven and critics unanimous (outside of the oGs house, at any rate).
That's true. Though I am inclined to believe otherwise, there has'nt really been any proper confirmation of the latency issue.
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On March 28 2011 07:21 MBH wrote:
Interesting destribution by nations in the ro16 hehe...
3 Swedes, 3 Americans, 3 Germans, 3 Koreans, already 12 of 16 ^^
Don't these 4 countries always fair well at WCG as far as points from across all games? It is quite interesting.
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On March 28 2011 07:23 tripfiend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:21 Alsandair wrote:On March 28 2011 07:17 EscPlan9 wrote:On March 28 2011 07:11 andrewlt wrote:On March 28 2011 07:06 Harem wrote:On March 28 2011 07:05 trashcan wrote:
How'd Nada play with such bad lag?????????????????????????????????????????????? NaDa played from the ogs house. The connection there is a lot better. I'm not too familiar with how connection works. How does the OGS house's net connection not be as affected by the Japan earthquake compared to the connection of other Koreans? Does it have some special routing? You latency QQ'ers are ridiculous. Some say because he didn't play from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. Some say because he played from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. How about this instead - you are full of shit and have no clue how much relative lag they had. Go ahead and misquote someone on the lag from Korea, and then hope the actual player doesn't respond (like Jinro did mentioning his views on the Korea latency). Sorry about that everyone, I am just so tired of complaints on latency here. The games today were excellent, and I loved the casting duo of Wheat and Day9! I'm inclined to agree with this. I would perhaps be more open to the idea of lag interrupting a player's ability to succeed if sources were proven and critics unanimous (outside of the oGs house, at any rate). That's true. Though I am inclined to believe otherwise, there has'nt really been any proper confirmation of the latency issue.
Well if a Thread from Jinro is not proper as a confirmation of the "no issue" I don't know what is proper on this holy TL ground -.-
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On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today.
So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game
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On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today.
Totally agree. We saw Cruncher play some excellent games today. And I started cracking up when he posted that smiley face. Hilarious. I don't understand why everyone on this thread is hating on him. He outplayed Idra in 2 of 3 games, and that's all there is to it.
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On March 28 2011 07:23 starcraft2rush wrote:
are there any zergs left to cheer for in the tsl?
Mondragon.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 28 2011 07:08 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:05 trashcan wrote:
How'd Nada play with such bad lag?????????????????????????????????????????????? The oGs team has a better and stable internet connection that wasn't affected too badly by the Japanese earthquake. This is why they were able to do so well in the FXOpen invitational compared to the Prime team.
A lot of people seems the be saying this, and the only basis for it seems to be that Zenio and Supernova did well in FXO tournament...
But Jinro himself said that it was non sense and that all connections had the same lag.
I suppose it would vary from time to time and some players just got lucky when they played their matches.
I find it hard to believe one korean team should have a better connection than another team to the US. Especially when someone who has played in one of the houses for months says that isn't the case, and when none of the people who claim there is a difference doesn't have any source.
It's much more likely the oGs players actually bothered practising on NA server and got a feel for the lag.
Supposedly, just getting used to playing with lag can go a long way in negating the negative effects of it. Again, I'm not speaking of personal experience, but I'll take Liquid`Tyler's word for it.
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On March 28 2011 07:25 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:23 starcraft2rush wrote:
are there any zergs left to cheer for in the tsl? Mondragon. + Show Spoiler +
Morrow
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On March 28 2011 07:06 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:04 Hierarch wrote:
NaDa didn't seem to be affected by that horrendous "lag" that everyone was complaining about. But definitely awesome games today, the NaDa/TLO series didn't disappoint, the quirky, unique, and entertaining style of TLO and then the solid, backbone "I'm just going to make more stuff than you" style of NaDa. GG's This has already been explained. oGs internet connection hasn't been affected too badly by Japan's eartquake compared to the other korean teams.
Ah my bad, just couldn't help make my point about it since all of yesterday was complaining. I really have enjoyed the TSL so far and it's just a lot more fun and satisfying watching these games. Hats off to TL for running, producing and providing such a quality entertaining tournament :D
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On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game
It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something?
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On March 28 2011 07:26 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:25 chrisolo wrote:On March 28 2011 07:23 starcraft2rush wrote:
are there any zergs left to cheer for in the tsl? Mondragon. + Show Spoiler + Morrow
I like MorroW, but both players I stated are oldschool and therefore should have more cheering fans then MorroW 
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On March 28 2011 07:25 silentsaint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:23 tripfiend wrote:On March 28 2011 07:21 Alsandair wrote:On March 28 2011 07:17 EscPlan9 wrote:On March 28 2011 07:11 andrewlt wrote:On March 28 2011 07:06 Harem wrote:On March 28 2011 07:05 trashcan wrote:
How'd Nada play with such bad lag?????????????????????????????????????????????? NaDa played from the ogs house. The connection there is a lot better. I'm not too familiar with how connection works. How does the OGS house's net connection not be as affected by the Japan earthquake compared to the connection of other Koreans? Does it have some special routing? You latency QQ'ers are ridiculous. Some say because he didn't play from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. Some say because he played from the OGS house, his lag wasn't as bad as other teams. How about this instead - you are full of shit and have no clue how much relative lag they had. Go ahead and misquote someone on the lag from Korea, and then hope the actual player doesn't respond (like Jinro did mentioning his views on the Korea latency). Sorry about that everyone, I am just so tired of complaints on latency here. The games today were excellent, and I loved the casting duo of Wheat and Day9! I'm inclined to agree with this. I would perhaps be more open to the idea of lag interrupting a player's ability to succeed if sources were proven and critics unanimous (outside of the oGs house, at any rate). That's true. Though I am inclined to believe otherwise, there has'nt really been any proper confirmation of the latency issue. Well if a Thread from Jinro is not proper as a confirmation of the "no issue" I don't know what is proper on this holy TL ground -.-
Well considering the amount of discussion and flaming going on about this matter, you would think there would be more. For example some word from the Korean camp, or from TL staff. Atleast to lay all this back and forth to rest.
Anyway, no point in arguing about this more on the basis of speculation, though I still believe lag was a problem.
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THAT WAS EPIC!!!
55k people watching a live stream... man, i've seen it all!!!
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MorroW will win it all for the Swarm!
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On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game
Sure Idra had 7 bases taken, but how useful were they? There is a point where you have too many, and he hit that at like base 5 considering the circumstances.
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On March 28 2011 07:27 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 07:25 Conversion wrote:On March 28 2011 07:22 Awesomeness wrote:On March 28 2011 07:16 WhiteDog wrote:
With the type of play Cruncher deliver he should not flame. Crushing through TSLOpen with four gates and 3 or so maccro game in the final, then giving us the joy to see a turtletoss on shakuras (and now I understand why they changed the map btw) and a six gate. That's the most boring playstyle of the universe.
Damn what have I done to see Zeerax and not cruncher advancing through, he seems more interesting. So if he plays a macro game it's boring and when he does a 2base-push it"s boring? What do you expect him to do? Play another race? People on this site are amazing at finding stuff to complain about. I found Idra to be much more bad mannered towards Cruncher than the other way around. He was also flaming Cloud at the FXOpen after he got destroyed 2:0. So yeah, I was really pleased to see him get knocked out today. So I heard being outbased 7:3 is a "macro" game It was a macro game, what are you even trying to debate here? Are you telling us it was a 3 base allin or something?
He's mad because IdrA got outplayed and wants to put the blame on Cruncher for some reason.
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On March 28 2011 07:13 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Ra vs MC is gonna be the top of the top of PvP.
we wont see any 4 gate.
I don't think you know who MC is lol. I very sure hes going to try to 4 gate at least once
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JULY FIGHTIIIIING! Oh wait wrong tournament
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This 7 base talk...
How many of them did he actually use? 4?
Just because he builds a hatchery at 7 spots doesnt mean he is on 7 bases, if he does nothing with them.
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I say get Jinro or Artosis to film someone like MC playing for his match. So we can see what he sees.
Unless filming someone play is not allowed >:-(
I'd like to see him play from an outside view anyway.
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