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On March 25 2011 14:49 Scrumdidlyumptious wrote: What a turnaround. Cella and Boxer did an amazing job picking players based on their looks and then training them into champions. SlayerS will be the one to attract a bunch of female fans to SC2.
I must agree. Many handsome guys on SlayerS :D
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Great post. Seeing those pictures just makes me so happy. I've never enjoyed a tournament and its results as much as this one.
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Absolutely amazing. Truly one of the best SC2 experiences ever.
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Was unable to watch the finals. What's the story about Boxer's wife and MVP?
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For the people that still dont appreciate Teamwork over individual skill:
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/5pfLp.jpg)
The 2 teams with the least amount of points (people in S and A combined) come out on top, IM even made finals twice. Thats team-effort for you. Solid alround players with great coaching and tactics.
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On March 25 2011 18:26 HolyArrow wrote:![[image loading]](http://img1.gamemeca.com/news_img_data/201103/et_gstl_110324_img_12.jpg)
I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face.
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On March 25 2011 18:33 branflakes14 wrote:I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face.
Alicia's all like, "Yeah, you enjoy that gold card. You know my 3 wins allowed us to weaken MVP for you to beat."
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On March 25 2011 18:32 ihasaKAROT wrote:For the people that still dont appreciate Teamwork over individual skill: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/5pfLp.jpg) The 2 teams with the least amount of points (people in S and A combined) come out on top, IM even made finals twice. Thats team-effort for you. Solid alround players with great coaching and tactics. I dont think this matters all that much in the current "winner's league" format... In fact it probably supports individual skill a lot more than your standard proleague style which favours a deep roster... Not that I'm trying to take ANYTHING away from Slayers' accomplishment here. It was an amazing run.
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On March 25 2011 18:33 branflakes14 wrote:I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face. Alicia felt sad? :O
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Winners league heavily favors teams with their skill weighted towards the top.
See BW proleague and KT. Regular season them nearing the bottom and then it goes winners league and they trololol through everyone with Flash plus some support. The support starts mattering a lot more when individual players can't rack up 3-4 kills but max out at 2 and only 2 if they win the ace match.
If it were regular proleague style the results might differ, but... no one really knows too much about sc2 atm it's to young, the "best players*" are changing constantly, one month someone is top top and then next he's bad and then he turns it around. The game is pretty volatile still at least.
*Sure MC and MvP are the best but the guys under them, and even them with really differing godlyness between seasons.
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![[image loading]](http://img1.gamemeca.com/news_img_data/201103/et_gstl_110324_img_07.jpg)
Will never stop being a champion.
These games were so damn good...
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Slayers's Team Jackets look nice =) on another note
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On March 25 2011 18:33 branflakes14 wrote:I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face.
IF YOU BEAT MVP.
YOU GET TO KEEP HIM.
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On March 25 2011 18:33 branflakes14 wrote:I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face. Hahha yeah, IMO Alicia was most definitely the MVP of the finals, taking out IM's star for a "5-0" victory and two beastly Zergs is no small feat
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On March 25 2011 15:22 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 07:14 Cyanocyst wrote: Personally The whole series for me was marred by Slayers_Min not getting another shot to play. Im actually truly pissed by that. Now i have yet another Code B player that looked promising and actually have no idea of his true skill.
Also Artosis hyping Alicia was annoying, not one game he played in, was won by skill. G1 Proxy Voids, G2 Baneling Bust and LosirA's name isn't Morrow, G3 4 gating a Zerg who double expanded early (Nestea's fault for not scouting, but its not like it Alicia had to use much skill, sorry)
Not saying Alicia isn't skilled, he is very much so. Just annoying to hear Artosis blab about how good he is when the games weren't won by great play Sorry.
With that said great win for Slayers, hope to see some of their players make in to code A. Disagree with your statements: SlayerSAlicia absolutely deserves the hype Artosis gives him, and showcased why in his matches. Game 1: Very well executed build, Yoda just played badly. Can't fault Alicia for crushing lesser competition, but I agree it wasn't a showcase of amazing skill. Still, would you criticze MC or MVP for doing the same? Game 2: Do you realize that Alicia reacted perfectly to minimal scouting information? He saw SIX lings and went into overdrive on cannons and sentries to stop the bling bust; had he seen 4, he probably would have gone on with his build as usual. Such subtle understanding of how much your opponent should have when is amazing star-sense. JulyZerg, hyped as one of the best Zergs in the world, getting obliterated by MC in G1 of GSL March Finals was the opposite: despite seeing MC had only 3 sentries and no forge while taking his expansion, he didn't put down spines or start massing units. Alicia's gamesense (and cannon placement) were fantastic against a build that many Zergs find success with against Toss FE opponents. Game 3: His decision to not fast-expand on Terminus was sharp, and his interpretation of NesTea's build (no pool and very late hatch) led him to 4-gate. That was a very strategic 4-gate; I'm annoyed by how Zergs like JulyZerg and Morrow get complimented for succesfully baneling busting players going for macro openings (ooh! he's decisive!) while Protoss players get trashed for going 4 gate. Listen, 3 hatch at 5 minutes is an econ-cheese. Sniffing it out and smashing it with 4 gate. is decisive and optimal play. Also, did you see his FFs during that engagement? Creating favorable concaves for his stalkers and half-donuting his red-health units with FFs against lings... just excellent. Really out-micro'd NesTea. ...you seriously didn't see top-level skill on display by Alicia? SMH.
Nice essay, but I can't help but think Artosis still overhypes him a little bit, and like the other guy it annoyed me somewhat. Strong player, but hasn't achieved anything to be labeled "omg the future of protoss" "best PRotoss vs terran player in the world" even though he got slaughtered (and outclassed) 0-2 vs SuperNova inclusive of a cc in base. I highly doubt MC would be 0-2'd by Supernova, lol.
Anyway, i'll look forward to seeing him and Code S and see what he does.
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Just finished watching the VODs. GSTL 1 and 2 are definetely the best sc2 spectator experiences I had so far, by a lot. Awesome!
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On March 25 2011 19:02 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 18:32 ihasaKAROT wrote:For the people that still dont appreciate Teamwork over individual skill: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/5pfLp.jpg) The 2 teams with the least amount of points (people in S and A combined) come out on top, IM even made finals twice. Thats team-effort for you. Solid alround players with great coaching and tactics. I dont think this matters all that much in the current "winner's league" format... In fact it probably supports individual skill a lot more than your standard proleague style which favours a deep roster... Not that I'm trying to take ANYTHING away from Slayers' accomplishment here. It was an amazing run.
Agreed. The fact that IM has two GSL champion and Losira whose rank does not reflect his skill puts IM at the #1 spot for GSTL winner league format.
A well rounded team does not do well in the winner league format at all. A single "final boss" material player can literally carry the entire team consistently to the top 3 spots even if the rest of the team is trash/slumping. The best example of that is KT and Oz from BW, as they have Flash and Jaedong respectively.
SlayerS was the worst team in every single way, both statistically and historically, the greatest of all underdogs.
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![[image loading]](http://osenimg.mt.co.kr/gisaimg/2011/03/24/201103242333775487_1.jpg)
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Another Pics
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On March 25 2011 19:59 AxionSteel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2011 15:22 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 07:14 Cyanocyst wrote: Personally The whole series for me was marred by Slayers_Min not getting another shot to play. Im actually truly pissed by that. Now i have yet another Code B player that looked promising and actually have no idea of his true skill.
Also Artosis hyping Alicia was annoying, not one game he played in, was won by skill. G1 Proxy Voids, G2 Baneling Bust and LosirA's name isn't Morrow, G3 4 gating a Zerg who double expanded early (Nestea's fault for not scouting, but its not like it Alicia had to use much skill, sorry)
Not saying Alicia isn't skilled, he is very much so. Just annoying to hear Artosis blab about how good he is when the games weren't won by great play Sorry.
With that said great win for Slayers, hope to see some of their players make in to code A. Disagree with your statements: SlayerSAlicia absolutely deserves the hype Artosis gives him, and showcased why in his matches. Game 1: Very well executed build, Yoda just played badly. Can't fault Alicia for crushing lesser competition, but I agree it wasn't a showcase of amazing skill. Still, would you criticze MC or MVP for doing the same? Game 2: Do you realize that Alicia reacted perfectly to minimal scouting information? He saw SIX lings and went into overdrive on cannons and sentries to stop the bling bust; had he seen 4, he probably would have gone on with his build as usual. Such subtle understanding of how much your opponent should have when is amazing star-sense. JulyZerg, hyped as one of the best Zergs in the world, getting obliterated by MC in G1 of GSL March Finals was the opposite: despite seeing MC had only 3 sentries and no forge while taking his expansion, he didn't put down spines or start massing units. Alicia's gamesense (and cannon placement) were fantastic against a build that many Zergs find success with against Toss FE opponents. Game 3: His decision to not fast-expand on Terminus was sharp, and his interpretation of NesTea's build (no pool and very late hatch) led him to 4-gate. That was a very strategic 4-gate; I'm annoyed by how Zergs like JulyZerg and Morrow get complimented for succesfully baneling busting players going for macro openings (ooh! he's decisive!) while Protoss players get trashed for going 4 gate. Listen, 3 hatch at 5 minutes is an econ-cheese. Sniffing it out and smashing it with 4 gate. is decisive and optimal play. Also, did you see his FFs during that engagement? Creating favorable concaves for his stalkers and half-donuting his red-health units with FFs against lings... just excellent. Really out-micro'd NesTea. ...you seriously didn't see top-level skill on display by Alicia? SMH. Nice essay, but I can't help but think Artosis still overhypes him a little bit, and like the other guy it annoyed me somewhat. Strong player, but hasn't achieved anything to be labeled "omg the future of protoss" "best PRotoss vs terran player in the world" even though he got slaughtered (and outclassed) 0-2 vs SuperNova inclusive of a cc in base. I highly doubt MC would be 0-2'd by Supernova, lol. Anyway, i'll look forward to seeing him and Code S and see what he does.
I mean, the guy started 3-0 against IM and took out NesTea and Losira, 2 of the best Zs in the world. His play has been very creative and decisive thus far, and while he lost to oGsSuperNova, that guy is pretty good! oGsMC lost to PoltPrime in GSL1 or 2, as I recall; didn't mean he wasn't on the path to become best Toss in the world.
Alicia's also shown creative play (including timings on attacks, scouting with mineral-walking probes behind zealot charging up ramp, etc.), and yeah he lost to SuperNova,but so what? It was one series against a (now) fellow Code S player on the rise. He face-crushed every other Terran he came across.
I think it's reasonable to say he has some of the best PvT in the world and a rising Protoss star, but ultimately this debate will be decided where all such debates are: in a GSL booth.
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dayum, every team boxer makes becomes a god damn beast
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