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Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
March 25 2011 16:59 GMT
#4321
On March 25 2011 19:03 OrChard wrote:
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On March 25 2011 18:33 branflakes14 wrote:
On March 25 2011 18:26 HolyArrow wrote:
[image loading]


I think I know a certain IM player who's regretting his choice of name right about now. Also, check out Alicia's face.

Alicia felt sad? :O

I really doubt it. Just a picture with an odd expression captured. Im sure they both celebrated together and MMA probably treated him to dinner or something of the like!:D
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
March 25 2011 17:34 GMT
#4322
was sitting on the edge of my chair holding my breath for the 4 last games, insanely epic finals, it's kinda what you expect for a solo league finals though they usually end insanely one-sided. Well deserved by slayers GG!
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cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 18:11:00
March 25 2011 17:56 GMT
#4323
Finally got to watch the finals, so worth the $5. The GSTL easily produces some of the best SC2 games ever, it's a shame we only get this small tournament once a month.

As for the overall result, I'm not surprised. Before the tournament started, I know most people were favoring oGs over SlayerS, but I knew that if they could just beat MC, they would head to the finals. ST could be taken out primarily by Alicia & MMA alone (rest of the team's skill still unknown to me pre-GSTL). Though maybe it's just because I'm a huge Alicia fanboy...

I was worried Losira / NesTea, probably the two best zerg in the world, would end up being the major obstacle for SlayerS. In fact, they should have, but between them playing too cheesy/greedy and odd coaching (not sending out YongHwa first), they paid the price. Not that I'm complaining, we already know how good Losira / NesTea is, I'm so glad the lesser known players (and MVP, who's on a "slump") got to show off how good they are.

The result couldn't be more satisfying!

edit: I do have to mention, that the "underdog-ness" of SlayerS is grossly exaggerated, as if they should've been the worst team and all. It's true they didn't show a great performance last GSTL, but neither did Prime, fOu or ZeNEX (who only barely beat them). And since then, Alicia has proven to be a monster, MMA had already proven himself, Ganzi was a known force to be reckoned with, and there's still Boxer around.

It is amazing / awesome that they did beat the 3 best teams though (oGs, ST and IM). A path like that, can't say they didn't deserve it.
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
March 25 2011 18:42 GMT
#4324
Question, any requirement for TL to be in the GSTL ?
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 25 2011 18:55 GMT
#4325
On March 26 2011 03:42 Crt wrote:
Question, any requirement for TL to be in the GSTL ?


Yes, they need to have enough "points" to qualify (they are generated by players, Code A - 1 p., Code S - 1.6 p.). TL is the next on the list, if the league expands to more teams they are in, they could also get in if Ret reaches Code S (by points).

However that being said TL has three players - HuK, Jinro and Ret, not enough to field people for a whole match (unless HE decides to return, but even if HE does decided to HE will be on oGs and not Liquid).
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zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 20:04:24
March 25 2011 18:56 GMT
#4326
On March 26 2011 03:42 Crt wrote:
Question, any requirement for TL to be in the GSTL ?


-Have enough players in korea to participate in a Bo9
-Get more players into Code S/A for top8 ranking (see http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSTL_Rankings
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Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
March 25 2011 19:31 GMT
#4327
I'd say qualifying would be the more difficult part. The GSTL is becoming a pretty big deal, I'm sure they could get a few people to fly over for it if they need a roster filled out.

Best chance from what I can tell if probably knocking fOu out. They have 1 code S and 3 code A at the moment, assuming they don't get any qualifiers through that's 4.6 points. Liquid has Huk and Jinro in code S for 3.2 points. So they'll need to get at least 2 players through the qualifiers (or foreigner invited) into code A to pass them.
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
March 25 2011 19:52 GMT
#4328
On March 26 2011 01:22 Snaphoo wrote:
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On March 25 2011 19:59 AxionSteel wrote:
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On March 25 2011 15:22 Snaphoo wrote:
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On March 25 2011 07:14 Cyanocyst wrote:
Personally The whole series for me was marred by Slayers_Min not getting another shot to play. Im actually truly pissed by that. Now i have yet another Code B player that looked promising and actually have no idea of his true skill.

Also Artosis hyping Alicia was annoying, not one game he played in, was won by skill. G1 Proxy Voids, G2 Baneling Bust and LosirA's name isn't Morrow, G3 4 gating a Zerg who double expanded early (Nestea's fault for not scouting, but its not like it Alicia had to use much skill, sorry)

Not saying Alicia isn't skilled, he is very much so. Just annoying to hear Artosis blab about how good he is when the games weren't won by great play Sorry.

With that said great win for Slayers, hope to see some of their players make in to code A.


Disagree with your statements: SlayerSAlicia absolutely deserves the hype Artosis gives him, and showcased why in his matches.

Game 1: Very well executed build, Yoda just played badly. Can't fault Alicia for crushing lesser competition, but I agree it wasn't a showcase of amazing skill. Still, would you criticze MC or MVP for doing the same?

Game 2: Do you realize that Alicia reacted perfectly to minimal scouting information? He saw SIX lings and went into overdrive on cannons and sentries to stop the bling bust; had he seen 4, he probably would have gone on with his build as usual. Such subtle understanding of how much your opponent should have when is amazing star-sense.

JulyZerg, hyped as one of the best Zergs in the world, getting obliterated by MC in G1 of GSL March Finals was the opposite: despite seeing MC had only 3 sentries and no forge while taking his expansion, he didn't put down spines or start massing units. Alicia's gamesense (and cannon placement) were fantastic against a build that many Zergs find success with against Toss FE opponents.

Game 3: His decision to not fast-expand on Terminus was sharp, and his interpretation of NesTea's build (no pool and very late hatch) led him to 4-gate. That was a very strategic 4-gate; I'm annoyed by how Zergs like JulyZerg and Morrow get complimented for succesfully baneling busting players going for macro openings (ooh! he's decisive!) while Protoss players get trashed for going 4 gate. Listen, 3 hatch at 5 minutes is an econ-cheese. Sniffing it out and smashing it with 4 gate. is decisive and optimal play.

Also, did you see his FFs during that engagement? Creating favorable concaves for his stalkers and half-donuting his red-health units with FFs against lings... just excellent. Really out-micro'd NesTea.

...you seriously didn't see top-level skill on display by Alicia? SMH.


Nice essay, but I can't help but think Artosis still overhypes him a little bit, and like the other guy it annoyed me somewhat. Strong player, but hasn't achieved anything to be labeled "omg the future of protoss" "best PRotoss vs terran player in the world" even though he got slaughtered (and outclassed) 0-2 vs SuperNova inclusive of a cc in base. I highly doubt MC would be 0-2'd by Supernova, lol.

Anyway, i'll look forward to seeing him and Code S and see what he does.


I mean, the guy started 3-0 against IM and took out NesTea and Losira, 2 of the best Zs in the world. His play has been very creative and decisive thus far, and while he lost to oGsSuperNova, that guy is pretty good! oGsMC lost to PoltPrime in GSL1 or 2, as I recall; didn't mean he wasn't on the path to become best Toss in the world.

Alicia's also shown creative play (including timings on attacks, scouting with mineral-walking probes behind zealot charging up ramp, etc.), and yeah he lost to SuperNova,but so what? It was one series against a (now) fellow Code S player on the rise. He face-crushed every other Terran he came across.

I think it's reasonable to say he has some of the best PvT in the world and a rising Protoss star, but ultimately this debate will be decided where all such debates are: in a GSL booth.


I won't say Alicia is bad or not deserving props but the problem is what you show as evidence of his skill , is far from convincing , at least to me. In all those 3 games , his opponents messed up but don't get me wrong , I'm not saying that he couldn't beat them in a standard game or Bo3-5. His opponents messed up so bad that he didn't had to do much really.

He deserved to win those matches no doubt , and actually I believe he deserved the MVP award but I still think he's exaggerated a bit. But who cares right? No hype , no fun
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
March 25 2011 20:43 GMT
#4329
Why did the poll ask if Ganzi should be disqualified?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 20:58:24
March 25 2011 20:55 GMT
#4330
It's nice that the MVP award doesn't reward money, or else... well, you know xD. Drama, jealousy, etc. Things that might not help the team.

Also, Alicia is smiling in that picture, you can tell by his mouth, but it seems he is either tired, frustrated, a little jealous of the MVP award, and/or simply just reflecting on the awesomeness that has happened.

Yes, they need to have enough "points" to qualify (they are generated by players, Code A - 1 p., Code S - 1.6 p.). TL is the next on the list, if the league expands to more teams they are in, they could also get in if Ret reaches Code S (by points).

However that being said TL has three players - HuK, Jinro and Ret, not enough to field people for a whole match (unless HE decides to return, but even if HE does decided to HE will be on oGs and not Liquid).


Huh? You forget about the others. They don't need to be in Code S or Code A to participate. Anyone on the team (and chosen for the GSTL roster) can play. Meaning, haypro, and whoever else is there can play.

Also I'm really wondering who is this "HE"? TLO? xD
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 25 2011 20:58 GMT
#4331
On March 26 2011 04:31 Kettchup wrote:
I'd say qualifying would be the more difficult part. The GSTL is becoming a pretty big deal, I'm sure they could get a few people to fly over for it if they need a roster filled out.

Best chance from what I can tell if probably knocking fOu out. They have 1 code S and 3 code A at the moment, assuming they don't get any qualifiers through that's 4.6 points. Liquid has Huk and Jinro in code S for 3.2 points. So they'll need to get at least 2 players through the qualifiers (or foreigner invited) into code A to pass them.



It would be pretty awesome to see TLO or Tyler fly in just to compete in the GSTL. Ret and Haypro need to stay in Code A or S to have a chance, though.

Or, GOM could just expand the tournament and invite foreign teams. That would be sick.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
March 25 2011 21:01 GMT
#4332
GSTL is easily worth as much as the starleagues IMO. Awesome seeing teams!
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
March 25 2011 21:01 GMT
#4333
On March 26 2011 05:43 esaul17 wrote:
Why did the poll ask if Ganzi should be disqualified?


he paused the game due to something and later on left the game while it was paused (would guess accident)

the pause was during early game, no engagements had occurred, and only early build order had been scouted up to that point
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nexitustl1
Profile Joined December 2010
156 Posts
March 25 2011 21:05 GMT
#4334
WOW! i just finished watching this (tons of games) and holy crap was that the best thing yet. When GSTL was first starting i didn't think it was going to be that exciting but every season is the best thing yet. I cant wait for the next one and to see much more from these players a lot of the matches are just so action packed.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 25 2011 21:05 GMT
#4335
if you read mma's interview he acknowledges that he merely "feasted" upon the achievements of his team. He is very humble and I am sure alicia got his due. But in the end we KNOW that MMA is the mvp due to his OVERALL performance in the GSTL 2.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4372 Posts
March 25 2011 21:18 GMT
#4336
On March 26 2011 04:52 Tiax;mous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 01:22 Snaphoo wrote:
On March 25 2011 19:59 AxionSteel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 25 2011 15:22 Snaphoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 07:14 Cyanocyst wrote:
Personally The whole series for me was marred by Slayers_Min not getting another shot to play. Im actually truly pissed by that. Now i have yet another Code B player that looked promising and actually have no idea of his true skill.

Also Artosis hyping Alicia was annoying, not one game he played in, was won by skill. G1 Proxy Voids, G2 Baneling Bust and LosirA's name isn't Morrow, G3 4 gating a Zerg who double expanded early (Nestea's fault for not scouting, but its not like it Alicia had to use much skill, sorry)

Not saying Alicia isn't skilled, he is very much so. Just annoying to hear Artosis blab about how good he is when the games weren't won by great play Sorry.

With that said great win for Slayers, hope to see some of their players make in to code A.


Disagree with your statements: SlayerSAlicia absolutely deserves the hype Artosis gives him, and showcased why in his matches.

Game 1: Very well executed build, Yoda just played badly. Can't fault Alicia for crushing lesser competition, but I agree it wasn't a showcase of amazing skill. Still, would you criticze MC or MVP for doing the same?

Game 2: Do you realize that Alicia reacted perfectly to minimal scouting information? He saw SIX lings and went into overdrive on cannons and sentries to stop the bling bust; had he seen 4, he probably would have gone on with his build as usual. Such subtle understanding of how much your opponent should have when is amazing star-sense.

JulyZerg, hyped as one of the best Zergs in the world, getting obliterated by MC in G1 of GSL March Finals was the opposite: despite seeing MC had only 3 sentries and no forge while taking his expansion, he didn't put down spines or start massing units. Alicia's gamesense (and cannon placement) were fantastic against a build that many Zergs find success with against Toss FE opponents.

Game 3: His decision to not fast-expand on Terminus was sharp, and his interpretation of NesTea's build (no pool and very late hatch) led him to 4-gate. That was a very strategic 4-gate; I'm annoyed by how Zergs like JulyZerg and Morrow get complimented for succesfully baneling busting players going for macro openings (ooh! he's decisive!) while Protoss players get trashed for going 4 gate. Listen, 3 hatch at 5 minutes is an econ-cheese. Sniffing it out and smashing it with 4 gate. is decisive and optimal play.

Also, did you see his FFs during that engagement? Creating favorable concaves for his stalkers and half-donuting his red-health units with FFs against lings... just excellent. Really out-micro'd NesTea.

...you seriously didn't see top-level skill on display by Alicia? SMH.


Nice essay, but I can't help but think Artosis still overhypes him a little bit, and like the other guy it annoyed me somewhat. Strong player, but hasn't achieved anything to be labeled "omg the future of protoss" "best PRotoss vs terran player in the world" even though he got slaughtered (and outclassed) 0-2 vs SuperNova inclusive of a cc in base. I highly doubt MC would be 0-2'd by Supernova, lol.

Anyway, i'll look forward to seeing him and Code S and see what he does.


I mean, the guy started 3-0 against IM and took out NesTea and Losira, 2 of the best Zs in the world. His play has been very creative and decisive thus far, and while he lost to oGsSuperNova, that guy is pretty good! oGsMC lost to PoltPrime in GSL1 or 2, as I recall; didn't mean he wasn't on the path to become best Toss in the world.

Alicia's also shown creative play (including timings on attacks, scouting with mineral-walking probes behind zealot charging up ramp, etc.), and yeah he lost to SuperNova,but so what? It was one series against a (now) fellow Code S player on the rise. He face-crushed every other Terran he came across.

I think it's reasonable to say he has some of the best PvT in the world and a rising Protoss star, but ultimately this debate will be decided where all such debates are: in a GSL booth.


I won't say Alicia is bad or not deserving props but the problem is what you show as evidence of his skill , is far from convincing , at least to me. In all those 3 games , his opponents messed up but don't get me wrong , I'm not saying that he couldn't beat them in a standard game or Bo3-5. His opponents messed up so bad that he didn't had to do much really.

He deserved to win those matches no doubt , and actually I believe he deserved the MVP award but I still think he's exaggerated a bit. But who cares right? No hype , no fun


Alicia had 3 good games but no way he would get the MVP award! No way...MMA won many games in the road to the finals and then won the deciding game. Anyone else winning the MVP award would be a crime against SC2 :O lol
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Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
March 25 2011 21:25 GMT
#4337
On March 26 2011 06:18 KobraKay wrote:
Alicia had 3 good games but no way he would get the MVP award! No way...MMA won many games in the road to the finals and then won the deciding game. Anyone else winning the MVP award would be a crime against SC2 :O lol

I thought the MVP was for the match itself, and in that case Alicia should have had it without a doubt. For the entire tournament however, MMA was the clear choice.
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
March 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#4338
On March 26 2011 06:05 nexitustl1 wrote:
WOW! i just finished watching this (tons of games) and holy crap was that the best thing yet. When GSTL was first starting i didn't think it was going to be that exciting but every season is the best thing yet. I cant wait for the next one and to see much more from these players a lot of the matches are just so action packed.


Yeah every GSTL tends to start slow with face-crushing of f0u and ZeNex + predictable play (generally) from other players/match-ups. As the tourny goes on, though, new faces (Squirtle, Losira, YoungHwa and others from last season) arise (this season: MMA [he was known before, but scalps from JulyZerg, MVP and MC? who saw that coming?], Ryung, Ming).

The semi-finals is usually exciting, and the finals... SO. FREAKING. EPIC.

Haha I was disappointed I had bothered to buy a pass after the first day of games, and then leaping out of my chair at the conclusion of the Finals. Great series, great league.
Rorix
Profile Joined December 2010
357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 21:54:32
March 25 2011 21:46 GMT
#4339
On March 24 2011 19:19 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2011 19:18 Tiax;mous wrote:
On March 24 2011 19:17 Lann555 wrote:
Yawn...this final blows so far....proxy voidray.....failed banebust....4-gate

Can we get a real game?


I agree But guess the majority is enjoying it , weird.


Probably because the underdog is winning when people were expecting IM to roll it. But the games themselves have been onesided and basically ended after 1 engagement.

Lets hope MVP can bring the goods


I know this is a very old dig quote but still, you'll never know if its Cloud 9 untill the end of Bo9 ;-)

Just watched the vods, so epic, so moving. I started reading from page 60 and while reading till page 100, this guy got his wish:

On March 24 2011 20:28 padfoota wrote:
I really want to see the final game being MMA v MVP...will be so epic


GSTL needs to expand to more than 8 teams, that would be more epic, and hey, TL can participate :D

edit: page 60
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DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
March 25 2011 22:06 GMT
#4340
On March 25 2011 19:59 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 15:22 Snaphoo wrote:
On March 25 2011 07:14 Cyanocyst wrote:
Personally The whole series for me was marred by Slayers_Min not getting another shot to play. Im actually truly pissed by that. Now i have yet another Code B player that looked promising and actually have no idea of his true skill.

Also Artosis hyping Alicia was annoying, not one game he played in, was won by skill. G1 Proxy Voids, G2 Baneling Bust and LosirA's name isn't Morrow, G3 4 gating a Zerg who double expanded early (Nestea's fault for not scouting, but its not like it Alicia had to use much skill, sorry)

Not saying Alicia isn't skilled, he is very much so. Just annoying to hear Artosis blab about how good he is when the games weren't won by great play Sorry.

With that said great win for Slayers, hope to see some of their players make in to code A.


Disagree with your statements: SlayerSAlicia absolutely deserves the hype Artosis gives him, and showcased why in his matches.

Game 1: Very well executed build, Yoda just played badly. Can't fault Alicia for crushing lesser competition, but I agree it wasn't a showcase of amazing skill. Still, would you criticze MC or MVP for doing the same?

Game 2: Do you realize that Alicia reacted perfectly to minimal scouting information? He saw SIX lings and went into overdrive on cannons and sentries to stop the bling bust; had he seen 4, he probably would have gone on with his build as usual. Such subtle understanding of how much your opponent should have when is amazing star-sense.

JulyZerg, hyped as one of the best Zergs in the world, getting obliterated by MC in G1 of GSL March Finals was the opposite: despite seeing MC had only 3 sentries and no forge while taking his expansion, he didn't put down spines or start massing units. Alicia's gamesense (and cannon placement) were fantastic against a build that many Zergs find success with against Toss FE opponents.

Game 3: His decision to not fast-expand on Terminus was sharp, and his interpretation of NesTea's build (no pool and very late hatch) led him to 4-gate. That was a very strategic 4-gate; I'm annoyed by how Zergs like JulyZerg and Morrow get complimented for succesfully baneling busting players going for macro openings (ooh! he's decisive!) while Protoss players get trashed for going 4 gate. Listen, 3 hatch at 5 minutes is an econ-cheese. Sniffing it out and smashing it with 4 gate. is decisive and optimal play.

Also, did you see his FFs during that engagement? Creating favorable concaves for his stalkers and half-donuting his red-health units with FFs against lings... just excellent. Really out-micro'd NesTea.

...you seriously didn't see top-level skill on display by Alicia? SMH.



Nice essay, but I can't help but think Artosis still overhypes him a little bit, and like the other guy it annoyed me somewhat. Strong player, but hasn't achieved anything to be labeled "omg the future of protoss" "best PRotoss vs terran player in the world" even though he got slaughtered (and outclassed) 0-2 vs SuperNova inclusive of a cc in base. I highly doubt MC would be 0-2'd by Supernova, lol.

Anyway, i'll look forward to seeing him and Code S and see what he does.


You're forgetting that Alicia beat MVP in the Up and Down matches. So yeah, I think Alicia has some pretty damn good PvT and is a great new rising player.
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