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frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
March 19 2011 07:08 GMT
#121
desRow, I let you know that the qualifier was on a number of times, there's no need to be bitter about this.
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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 19 2011 07:36 GMT
#122
On March 19 2011 16:00 desrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 15:55 deL wrote:
1) The dates for the qualifiers were announced with the main thread, this is enough information to know whether another tournament will clash or not, especially considering you could assume it would start within a couple hours either way of the main events.

2) Opening the thread 3 hours before is to reduce no-shows, and actually results in at least the same or more numbers of people show up (as compared to having the thread open for weeks before the event). This format was announced along with the dates earlier.

3) That's an emu not an ostrich.


3)http://blog.karmona.com/index.php/2007/09/21/the-blind-ostrich/

It's actually a dinosaur/blind ostrich.

Why host your qualifier the same day of the Justin TV invitational.

Do you not like Justin TV?

How would you feel if they removed your partner program and you wouldn't make any money from streaming ?

At the end of the day, you guys acted like kangaroos picking fights with anyone (not caring about other tournaments) and not caring about us, players.

It was us players who had to deal with it/ take a loss for that.

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Desrow, calm down. There will be other opportunities. There's no reason to dump on this thread because you're upset-- We didn't really plan to shut out other tournaments (and we didn't), but just made an open tournament on the best date available for us. It's a really busy weekend.

This doesn't have anything to do with us disliking players or justin.tv; don't make wild accusations.
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Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
March 19 2011 07:38 GMT
#123
On March 19 2011 16:00 desrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 15:55 deL wrote:
1) The dates for the qualifiers were announced with the main thread, this is enough information to know whether another tournament will clash or not, especially considering you could assume it would start within a couple hours either way of the main events.

2) Opening the thread 3 hours before is to reduce no-shows, and actually results in at least the same or more numbers of people show up (as compared to having the thread open for weeks before the event). This format was announced along with the dates earlier.

3) That's an emu not an ostrich.


3)http://blog.karmona.com/index.php/2007/09/21/the-blind-ostrich/

It's actually a dinosaur/blind ostrich.




just because I make a photo of me have the url zombie.jpg it does not make me a zombie...
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
March 19 2011 07:53 GMT
#124
On March 19 2011 15:59 Mirhi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 15:55 deL wrote:
2) Opening the thread 3 hours before is to reduce no-shows, and actually results in at least the same or more numbers of people show up (as compared to having the thread open for weeks before the event). This format was announced along with the dates earlier.


This is so horridly wrong. There are ALWAYS no shows in tournaments.

Go4SC2 and CraftCup have no shows all the time, and the tournament registration opens AN HOUR BEFORE!

The way you deal with no shows is with back up players on first come first serve. You need threads open for signups in advance so players have their attendance and participation confirmed.

IDC at all about this, but the logistics of this tournament was just factually terrible. Sorry.

No. A large number of no shows ruins a tournament and the atmosphere, makes ugly brackets, and above all makes the players and hence casters have to wait around some times for excessive amounts of time to wait for a game. Opening signup a short time before or using a check-in system results in less no-shows (note: I never said it completely eliminates them) and a smoother experience for the players and stream. It's a matter of 300 signups with 50% noshows compared to 150 signups with 10% noshows, even though a handful more people might sign up .

Additionally, I don't like backup lists as I seed tournament and I feel making replacements is fundamentally unfair unless every no-show spot is filled up (why should someone else not get a freewin just because their opponent noshowed first?) and because it disregards seedings (replacing bronze no-show with a top player - another matter of fairness).

The dates of the qualifiers were known in advance and you could reasonably assume it's not going to be at too different a time to the event or it would make no sense. I am not going to accept 'I couldn't schedule my events around this time' as an answer as no one is going to write a personal letter to each player tailoring it to their needs, they have to (or their managers have to) read the thread and take note of the date if you want to compete. Realise it was only the actual registration that was "short notice", which was basically a check-in system. Forgive me if I don't believe when you say that just because you wrote your ID in a 3 week old thread before accepting an invite to a tournament that is, let's be realistic, easier money, that you would definitely show up and not leave or pull out.

Challonge requires that the bracket results be reset if you make name changes if I recall correctly and so making replacements from a backup player list results in more delays.

The date of this tournament was already made in advance to get the invites and to co-incide with the staff's requirements as well (who all have school/work to consider) and a significant number of invites were confirmed before they were announced in the Justin.TV invitational. And on the topic of the justin.tv invitational no I don't have anything against it but when players are prioritising, this event has a comparable prize pool with the additional benefit of the 'ladder points' that will contribute to much larger tournaments so if players are serious about competing in these events rather than just looking for a quick easy pay day they should consider this when making the choice.

At the end of the day, the qualifiers are for people who we weren't particularly interested in inviting right now, and the justin.tv tournament included a lot of people who are participating in our own main event so it would not have a huge impact. There was no significant personal benefit to us hosting this tournament other than giving some other players with the drive to participate in FXOpen events who aren't that attractive as invites a shot. The streaming of it was done by the casters with much effort without 'extra views' or out competing everyone else in mind (if that were the case surely FXOpen could afford to just throw in a prizepool to this?). It was more of an 'icing on the cake' event that allowed people overlooked as invites a chance to show they want to be involved or that they have the skill to compete and with today's qualifiers that certainly seems the case.
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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
March 19 2011 12:21 GMT
#125
On March 19 2011 16:53 deL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 15:59 Mirhi wrote:
On March 19 2011 15:55 deL wrote:
2) Opening the thread 3 hours before is to reduce no-shows, and actually results in at least the same or more numbers of people show up (as compared to having the thread open for weeks before the event). This format was announced along with the dates earlier.


This is so horridly wrong. There are ALWAYS no shows in tournaments.

Go4SC2 and CraftCup have no shows all the time, and the tournament registration opens AN HOUR BEFORE!

The way you deal with no shows is with back up players on first come first serve. You need threads open for signups in advance so players have their attendance and participation confirmed.

IDC at all about this, but the logistics of this tournament was just factually terrible. Sorry.

+ Show Spoiler +
No. A large number of no shows ruins a tournament and the atmosphere, makes ugly brackets, and above all makes the players and hence casters have to wait around some times for excessive amounts of time to wait for a game. Opening signup a short time before or using a check-in system results in less no-shows (note: I never said it completely eliminates them) and a smoother experience for the players and stream. It's a matter of 300 signups with 50% noshows compared to 150 signups with 10% noshows, even though a handful more people might sign up .

Additionally, I don't like backup lists as I seed tournament and I feel making replacements is fundamentally unfair unless every no-show spot is filled up (why should someone else not get a freewin just because their opponent noshowed first?) and because it disregards seedings (replacing bronze no-show with a top player - another matter of fairness).

The dates of the qualifiers were known in advance and you could reasonably assume it's not going to be at too different a time to the event or it would make no sense. I am not going to accept 'I couldn't schedule my events around this time' as an answer as no one is going to write a personal letter to each player tailoring it to their needs, they have to (or their managers have to) read the thread and take note of the date if you want to compete. Realise it was only the actual registration that was "short notice", which was basically a check-in system. Forgive me if I don't believe when you say that just because you wrote your ID in a 3 week old thread before accepting an invite to a tournament that is, let's be realistic, easier money, that you would definitely show up and not leave or pull out.

Challonge requires that the bracket results be reset if you make name changes if I recall correctly and so making replacements from a backup player list results in more delays.

The date of this tournament was already made in advance to get the invites and to co-incide with the staff's requirements as well (who all have school/work to consider) and a significant number of invites were confirmed before they were announced in the Justin.TV invitational. And on the topic of the justin.tv invitational no I don't have anything against it but when players are prioritising, this event has a comparable prize pool with the additional benefit of the 'ladder points' that will contribute to much larger tournaments so if players are serious about competing in these events rather than just looking for a quick easy pay day they should consider this when making the choice.

At the end of the day, the qualifiers are for people who we weren't particularly interested in inviting right now, and the justin.tv tournament included a lot of people who are participating in our own main event so it would not have a huge impact. There was no significant personal benefit to us hosting this tournament other than giving some other players with the drive to participate in FXOpen events who aren't that attractive as invites a shot. The streaming of it was done by the casters with much effort without 'extra views' or out competing everyone else in mind (if that were the case surely FXOpen could afford to just throw in a prizepool to this?). It was more of an 'icing on the cake' event that allowed people overlooked as invites a chance to show they want to be involved or that they have the skill to compete and with today's qualifiers that certainly seems the case.


I appreciate you taking the time to reply to this. Make sure it's on the event calendar for TL next time so it doesn't go under most people's radar :D <3
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Cheekzz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States15 Posts
March 19 2011 12:29 GMT
#126
+1 desrow
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
March 19 2011 13:05 GMT
#127
It is on the TL calendar.
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FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
March 19 2011 13:09 GMT
#128
Desrow, I appreciate your frustration. But its been 2 weeks since the qualifiers are announced. Not only is this NOT the only qualifer to happen for our events, but its only the FIRST.

To wet your pants over it, is uncalled for. deL and Frequency do their best to cater to an industry that is riddled with online events. If it wasnt this weekend it was another weekend when another event is on.

Having a hissy about it, isn't going to help you at all and to be honest, its unprofessional and unacceptable.

IF you have a REAL problem about our event, you can always contact me by PM.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
GoSuNamhciR
Profile Joined May 2010
125 Posts
March 19 2011 15:43 GMT
#129
qualifier 2 already happened? I didn't see a time posted, oh well, my fault ;p
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
March 19 2011 15:45 GMT
#130
I believe sign-ups for the 2nd qualifier start in about 3 hours or so.
Zealous5000
Profile Joined September 2010
United States21 Posts
March 19 2011 16:43 GMT
#131
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