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Trig
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom64 Posts
March 26 2011 03:28 GMT
#941
On March 26 2011 12:25 Geolich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:17 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:12 Redox wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:08 IdrA wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:06 Swixi wrote:
On March 26 2011 11:57 DiaBoLuS wrote:
IdrA, GSL code S and best foreigner losing 2-0 vs strelok - playing from NA. how can a code s player without lag even lose maps?

Did you even watch those games?

no hes right i was massively outplayed
he didnt choose zerg
those fundamental mistakes keep getting to me

This was funny like 3 months ago. Now its only boring.


No, it's still funny.

Actually its not. IdrA is not as good as he/the community thinks, and his childish attitude is a joke.


Are you stupid? You're suggesting that humor isn't subjective. Calm down.
I am your father, Luke.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 26 2011 03:28 GMT
#942
On March 26 2011 12:25 xza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.

When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.

Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.

I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.


300-400ms is already bad imo. if you put latency in a perspective of an First Person Shooter, it means all the difference in the world. 80 ms will give you like a slight delay under around 0.5 secs, maybe lower. 200 ms is normally like 1-1.5sec delay. 400ms is LOL, shoot, wait 2-3 seconds, then the bullet will register.

Doesnt really apply to only micro based players but in general lag does play a huge role. Running away zerglings from forcefields, forcefielding the army properly, stim kiting, EMP, basically any spell-cast is hugely affected because the guy with 80ms is gonna have an upperhand vs the guy with 400 ms.


Correct me if that doesn't corrospond like 100% in those cases, but doesn't the "ms" actually stand for "millisecond"?

I kinda fail to see how 200ms is 1-1.5seconds :|
Kevmeister @ Dota2
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
March 26 2011 03:29 GMT
#943
On March 26 2011 12:23 Heaton31 wrote:
It's not optimal, but these guys need to adapt. Easier said than done? Absolutely, but not impossible. It may not be the most entertaining without great micro and could be watered down, but it's doable and not that difficult.


Well I'm not sure why you're saying it's not that difficult. Micro is a huge part of SC2, sadly not huge enough(yet) and there are very few who excel at it. MC and MKP both rely on their insane micro which they obviously cannot put to use the way they do in the GSL.

They need to adapt yes, but it's hard to rework your entire playstyle just because playing crossregion is so awful.
Tranqje
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium89 Posts
March 26 2011 03:29 GMT
#944
On March 26 2011 12:28 Trig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:25 Geolich wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:17 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:12 Redox wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:08 IdrA wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:06 Swixi wrote:
On March 26 2011 11:57 DiaBoLuS wrote:
IdrA, GSL code S and best foreigner losing 2-0 vs strelok - playing from NA. how can a code s player without lag even lose maps?

Did you even watch those games?

no hes right i was massively outplayed
he didnt choose zerg
those fundamental mistakes keep getting to me

This was funny like 3 months ago. Now its only boring.


No, it's still funny.

Actually its not. IdrA is not as good as he/the community thinks, and his childish attitude is a joke.


Are you stupid? You're suggesting that humor isn't subjective. Calm down.



don't feed the trolls, haters gonna hate and all that ...
If you watch jaws backwards it's about a shark throwing up so many people they have to open up a beach
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 26 2011 03:29 GMT
#945
On March 26 2011 12:25 xza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:22 FXOpen wrote:
Guys you are talking about delay in seconds.... Let me put it into perspective.

When I was in Korea, ping to NA was 310-410 ms.

Accordingly to someone close to me in korea, since the japan earthquake its now almost double that.

I dont know what the seconds delay or whatever would be... I guess it would depend. But i'd say it effects those micro based players.


300-400ms is already bad imo. if you put latency in a perspective of an First Person Shooter, it means all the difference in the world. 80 ms will give you like a slight delay under around 0.5 secs, maybe lower. 200 ms is normally like 1-1.5sec delay. 400ms is LOL, shoot, wait 2-3 seconds, then the bullet will register.

Doesnt really apply to only micro based players but in general lag does play a huge role. Running away zerglings from forcefields, forcefielding the army properly, stim kiting, EMP, basically any spell-cast is hugely affected because the guy with 80ms is gonna have an upperhand vs the guy with 400 ms.



you know that ms standas for milliseconds?^^

god so much bullshit talked here. watch socke vs zenio and tell me how much delay zenio can possibly have.

2 seconds ofc! OMG
gonna sleep now, feel bad my fellow socke still has to play at 4:30 am.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
March 26 2011 03:29 GMT
#946
On March 26 2011 12:27 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:24 Namu wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:19 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:17 Namu wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:12 DiaBoLuS wrote:
its 4 am in europe - if europeans lose games, this will be the reason!

Kor > EU > NA should be a clear fact now, with small skillgaps, no huge deal.


you guys rly believe in 1.5 secs?

how can the koreans even put a single forcefield or micro lings around bases?
it is def. not even 0.5 secs - omg i cannot belive you trust in "a friend of mine said that".

when i have lag i also say "3 secs i cannot move" asap


When I play on the korean server, the lag is close to 1.5 sec.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually getting 1+ seconds of latency...
and Boxer also mentioned the latency was really really bad for TSL, at least a full second.
I don't know about you but I give more credit to boxer than "a friend of mine"


it wasnt boxer who said it, it was his gf

but just watching the games tells a different story. stalker attacks a ling on hold position. 0.3 secs later the ling moves.

how is that possible with 1 sec latency... do you guys even know how much a second is in a RTS?^^


yeah you must've had a stopwatch out and measured that 0.3 seconds huh?
point is, 1 second lag is possible. this is from personal experience 4~ days ago.
you have no idea what you're talking about...


tell me how to moving shot like zenio did with 1 sec, or move lings when attacked asap.
when you have the answer, i might get conviced it is a second.


did i ever say it was a second?
i said i wouldn't be suprised if it was a full second.
and mind you, latency is not a consistent thing. it'll fluctuate through the game,
it may be 300 ms one moment, then spike up to 700 ms, etc...

RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
March 26 2011 03:30 GMT
#947
Are these being played on the US server or EU server?
hohoho
Trig
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom64 Posts
March 26 2011 03:30 GMT
#948
On March 26 2011 12:27 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:24 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:23 GP wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:20 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:18 GP wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:17 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:12 Redox wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:08 IdrA wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:06 Swixi wrote:
On March 26 2011 11:57 DiaBoLuS wrote:
IdrA, GSL code S and best foreigner losing 2-0 vs strelok - playing from NA. how can a code s player without lag even lose maps?

Did you even watch those games?

no hes right i was massively outplayed
he didnt choose zerg
those fundamental mistakes keep getting to me

This was funny like 3 months ago. Now its only boring.


No, it's still funny.

I guess if you like that sort of whiny humor--different strokes I guess.


I don't think it's whiny, he's just being blunt. I haven't watched the games though.

It's whiny because it's the same thinly veiled excuses he always makes, same old story, same boring humor.


Well you're implying that old jokes are just not funny, which isn't true. It depends on the person. As Tastosis say "joke funny>joke not funny>joke more funny than it used to be". Although there is some truth to what idra says

That's why I said different strokes, I don't doubt it depends on the person, and Terran just got a huge stim nerf and Zerg just got a massive infestor buff, I don't buy that shit anymore, I'd rather believe the better player won and not take credit away from the player because of the race he plays.


I guess, but infestor buff doesn't really stop 1 base all ins (which is what Idra loses to i'm assuming).
I am your father, Luke.
LaiShin
Profile Joined November 2005
Australia978 Posts
March 26 2011 03:30 GMT
#949
Is Socke 1-0 up?
nkwd
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States99 Posts
March 26 2011 03:30 GMT
#950
the russian stream is also strelok vs britney, sry but we want oGsMC plz!
Team MnM http://mnmsc2.com http://www.sc2ranks.com/c/823/
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 03:31:38
March 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#951
On March 26 2011 12:30 RifleCow wrote:
Are these being played on the US server or EU server?


US. not as if it would matter, since US<-->EU seems to be pretty fine.

and koreans have 1029 seconds on each server anyway.



On March 26 2011 12:30 LaiShin wrote:
Is Socke 1-0 up?


1-1
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
dambros
Profile Joined July 2010
Brazil432 Posts
March 26 2011 03:31 GMT
#952
On March 26 2011 12:30 LaiShin wrote:
Is Socke 1-0 up?


1-1
No pain, no gain!
OrChard
Profile Joined February 2011
Hong Kong1119 Posts
March 26 2011 03:32 GMT
#953
i can't get into the russian stream!
i love MC QQ
Protosser
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
March 26 2011 03:32 GMT
#954
On March 26 2011 12:30 Trig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:27 GP wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:24 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:23 GP wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:20 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:18 GP wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:17 Trig wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:12 Redox wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:08 IdrA wrote:
On March 26 2011 12:06 Swixi wrote:
[quote]
Did you even watch those games?

no hes right i was massively outplayed
he didnt choose zerg
those fundamental mistakes keep getting to me

This was funny like 3 months ago. Now its only boring.


No, it's still funny.

I guess if you like that sort of whiny humor--different strokes I guess.


I don't think it's whiny, he's just being blunt. I haven't watched the games though.

It's whiny because it's the same thinly veiled excuses he always makes, same old story, same boring humor.


Well you're implying that old jokes are just not funny, which isn't true. It depends on the person. As Tastosis say "joke funny>joke not funny>joke more funny than it used to be". Although there is some truth to what idra says

That's why I said different strokes, I don't doubt it depends on the person, and Terran just got a huge stim nerf and Zerg just got a massive infestor buff, I don't buy that shit anymore, I'd rather believe the better player won and not take credit away from the player because of the race he plays.


I guess, but infestor buff doesn't really stop 1 base all ins (which is what Idra loses to i'm assuming).

Fuck that shit, I've seen Idra lose macro games all the time, and Strelok isn't an all-in player.
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
March 26 2011 03:33 GMT
#955
On March 26 2011 12:31 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2011 12:30 RifleCow wrote:
Are these being played on the US server or EU server?


US. not as if it would matter, since US<-->EU seems to be pretty fine.

and koreans have 1029 seconds on each server anyway.


Lol, get off the latency discussion man, it doesn't matter that much whether or not there is horrible latency or not. If anything, the advantage if theres latency should be given to EU/US players because they're used to cross region latency unlike the koreans which mostly practice in-house. Thats probably more of an advantage than the inherent latency.

Anyways, if its US server you can see the results from anyone's games on their profile on bnet...
hohoho
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
March 26 2011 03:33 GMT
#956
oGsMC vs CheckPrime.WE currently being played but without stream - replays to come.
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Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
March 26 2011 03:33 GMT
#957
What's the deal with this Sheth vs stalife match? Longest games ever or is there another reason it's not done?
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
March 26 2011 03:35 GMT
#958
On March 26 2011 12:33 Jumbled wrote:
What's the deal with this Sheth vs stalife match? Longest games ever or is there another reason it's not done?


Sheth won - brackets weren't updated for some silly reason.
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imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 03:35:59
March 26 2011 03:35 GMT
#959
just watched most of the first strelok idra game and yea strelok just uses the low ground on meta to siege up and make his tanks insanely efficient. his macro was actually pretty bad - often letting his macro slip completely on 2 bases, and even had a ton of minerals early on when he was only macroing off 1 base, and only spending it by queuing up a bunch of hellions etc
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 26 2011 03:37 GMT
#960
oh damn socke fucked up there
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