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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
February 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#1581
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)

He only made two(?) Voidrays, just to run around the map killing overlords and lings. Zerg played the game right though, constantly traded armies, at one point he was 50 supply behind, but when there are no Colossus or Templars, it doesn't really matter
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
February 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#1582
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)


There was one void the entire game :S
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#1583
Just thinking, if I remember rightly it was Coca who beat Rainbow in the Zotac finals with an unexpected Hydra bust. Seems like he might have a few interesting twists on Z play
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
February 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#1584
The zerg was NEVER behind in that game guys, I think you're confused by Tasteless misreading the scenario and not really understanding the matchup as well as you'd hope...
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 23 2011 11:27 GMT
#1585
On February 23 2011 20:24 Asha` wrote:
That was bizarre, like really really bizarre. Felt like Zerg made a lot of mistakes and yet he came out very clearly on top.

Liked seeing Z drop that much though.


Z's mistakes were in throwing away armies he could have saved. He'd have destroyed ace if he'd saved some of those armies. That attack into the Main was actually solid, as it took out a lot of tech. And that 1 Roach drop destroyed Ace's economy for a while and he really never recovered.
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
February 23 2011 11:28 GMT
#1586
Some of you really don't understand how ZvP works. Zerg needs to constantly trade armies if he plays roach/hydra/corruptor. It doesn't matter if he's not being cost effective as long as he stays ahead in bases and prevents the protoss to get at 200/200.
Artanias
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark40 Posts
February 23 2011 11:28 GMT
#1587
Pretty much what everyone else is saying, Zerg played this match very very well, simply kept the Colossi numbers low which is what its all about, eventually you will simply overwhelm the Protoss due to your superior economy once his high hit units are gone..
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
February 23 2011 11:28 GMT
#1588
On February 23 2011 20:26 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:24 vrok wrote:
On February 23 2011 20:11 Angelbelow wrote:
Mvp himself is just the next player in the line of SC2's one-season-bonjwas. People were elvating him to the deity status way too soon (just as they did with mc and nestea and even FD at times).

What? Nestea never stopped being the ultimate zerg god. Mvp is the only reason Nestea didn't win GSL4 too.


lol what the hell, not sure why my SN is quoted there.

Yeah, edited it wrong. Was meant for Talin. Sorry.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1589
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)


Toss never managed to beat that 200/200 deathball though(correct me if I'm wrong.) This is actually really smart that pros are starting to do, just keep attacking and force them NOT to get the 200/200 army.

Anyway, now I can say I thought of the baneling drop on protoss deathballs first! =D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188793

Yay for bragging rights
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(even though he would have never have read that thread and it really had no influence :p)
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1590
Fast expand by Toss, Z will most likely Baneling bust or go Roach
★ Top Gun ★
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1591
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)

It was never really a proper VR/Colossus build. Ace spent a lot of gas on sentries, stalkers and upgrades and never really built up much of a mass of voids or colossi. In fact the dual stargates were barely used.
pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1592
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)


There was ONE Voidray and no more than four colossi on the field at any time, Ace didn't have anything close to the Protoss VR/Colossi deathball. Don't talk if you didn't even watch the game.

That being said, Coco won because he was sitting on tons of resources vs. gateway units. Stalkers lose effectiveness against Roaches after that +2 upgrade is achiveved -- overreliance on Gateway units cost Ace the game.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1593
People - P was at 70-80 supply the entire last 10 minutes of that game. The only thing stopping the Z from stomping him with the 180 supply army was the DT's. Z got ahead by constantly trading armies and denying that 4th.

Tasteless and Kelly were completely misreading what was happening. The Z was constantly ahead, all they had to do was look up to the top and check the supply
pirates
Profile Joined October 2010
United States701 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1594
I feel like Ace should have done a lot more Void Ray harass and include more VRs in his army.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1595
I just tuned in to the very end of that game, but how was zerg not behind when they had almost no drones and no minerals. If Ace had killed that army, he would have been in a good position, no?
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1596
After killing all the colossi there was nothing stopping the hydras. And hydras > pure stalkers
iRRelevance
Profile Joined June 2009
Romania725 Posts
February 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#1597
On February 23 2011 20:27 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:25 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I don't understand..a Zerg beats Colossi/VR? That strategy was proven to be invincible.. Way to break the game, Coca.. (gg)

He only made two(?) Voidrays, just to run around the map killing overlords and lings. Zerg played the game right though, constantly traded armies, at one point he was 50 supply behind, but when there are no Colossus or Templars, it doesn't really matter


This is EXACTLY what happened. Toss can't kill you without collosus or HT. And he can't really invest in those when he's having a hard time keeping his gateway army because the zerg is trading efficiently.
"You can ... draw sounds ?"
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
February 23 2011 11:30 GMT
#1598
i still dont understand how code a isnt exactly the same setup as code s that the should be groups..... then if things like getting the 2 storngest playing in the 1st round then they can still get a chance that they can qualify....

Ret and Haypro both have/had hard matchups in the 1st game. Hoepfulyl Ret will actually do it.
Live and Let Die!
pirates
Profile Joined October 2010
United States701 Posts
February 23 2011 11:30 GMT
#1599
On February 23 2011 20:29 Incanus wrote:
I just tuned in to the very end of that game, but how was zerg not behind when they had almost no drones and no minerals. If Ace had killed that army, he would have been in a good position, no?

If he would have killed that army, the Protoss would have likely won in the next 5 min.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
February 23 2011 11:30 GMT
#1600
On February 23 2011 20:29 susySquark wrote:
People - P was at 70-80 supply the entire last 10 minutes of that game. The only thing stopping the Z from stomping him with the 180 supply army was the DT's. Z got ahead by constantly trading armies and denying that 4th.

Tasteless and Kelly were completely misreading what was happening. The Z was constantly ahead, all they had to do was look up to the top and check the supply

He wasn't that far behind, after that first engangement it was like 160 vs 130, but then he slowly got wittled down.

The toss needed to make a Templar switch, there were too many Corruptors and he really needed Templars or Colossus to deal with the hydras
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