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Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
February 07 2011 10:18 GMT
#221
About the whole forcefield thing while leaving your zealots in the back, like if we assume pure marine vs sentry zealot, in a narrow choke, a wall of forcefields could result in a situation such as that shown below:

MMM[F][F]M_ _SSSSS_ZZ, where each character is one unit of range(M=marine, F=forcefield, S=sentry, Z=zealot). In this case, only the first row of marines can attack, while all 4 rows of sentries can attack the first row. Again, assuming a solid wall of forcefields, the only marine micro would be forward, which would allow even the fifth row of sentries to attack. If zealots were sent to the blank spots "_", then the second and third row of marines would be able to attack the zealots, while the protoss would deal additional DPS to the marines, which should already get killed by the sentries. As a kind of counterexample, if the forcefields trapped the entire marine army, such that they would all be able to attack anyways, then it would be worthwhile to send in zealots. This is just a theoretical model of what could happen (I know that the unit compositions are arguable), and I know that the forcefield or unit diameters may not be accurately depicted, but I feel this scenario has the general aspects of MM vs gateway units (range vs. range/melee, terrain blockers).
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
Blu`BotL
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia115 Posts
February 07 2011 10:18 GMT
#222
On February 07 2011 19:16 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 19:12 Nayl wrote:
On February 07 2011 19:11 mizU wrote:
"You don't normally attack and expand at the same time.."
Wtf?
Day[9] was WRONG.


Wrong context.

Day9 means pressure when he says "attack while expand", so that he can't hurt your expansion.

Tastosis is saying do not straight up attack when you are expanding.

Tasteless even said "maybe this is a pressure build."


I realize that.

It was just funny that they say the opposite things.
I wonder what Sean said when he heard that...lols


It's not really the opposite thing. Day9 says "pressure while expanding", which makes sense because it makes the opponent defend while you're most vulnerable, giving you a better opportunity to get your expo set-up and defended. Tasteless, on the other hand, is saying "don't expand while attacking", because an attack is an actual attempt at dealing damage, which is mitigated by the lack of resources from investing in an expansion.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 07 2011 10:19 GMT
#223
On February 07 2011 19:16 Armsved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 19:11 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
is it me or does day9 say that you expand when you move out and now tastosis says you shouldnt?


If you throw down a CC after you move out its fine. But if you invest your money in a CC before you move out its pretty bad since you invested 400 in a CC which could had been more army.

Also I think day9 talk mainly about attacking while expanding when you take your 3rd+ since the attack pathern will/should defend you while you get it up with PF, turrets etc.


Day[9] essentially says to move out whenever you throw down your expo just so that there's the threat of pressure, and your opponent doesn't just move out and snipe your expo.

Tastosis is saying you shouldn't commit to an attack while expanding, because you'll obviously lose, due to having a weaker army.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
February 07 2011 10:19 GMT
#224
If this were on a Blizzard map, the game would have been decided with the first push. So glad to see some variety.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
February 07 2011 10:20 GMT
#225
this match is turning out pretty entertaining.
Do you really want chat rooms?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 07 2011 10:20 GMT
#226
Nice, building a thor to counter those phenix, love it
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 10:21:47
February 07 2011 10:20 GMT
#227
How can this game be even? Terran had such a huge lead... Late game toss...

THIS IS REDICULOUS.................
vicissitudes
Profile Joined January 2011
52 Posts
February 07 2011 10:21 GMT
#228
4th Command Center going up <3

Terran with great map control.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 07 2011 10:21 GMT
#229
Terran has no medivacs...
With decent FFs, toss can hold this.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
February 07 2011 10:21 GMT
#230
Wow. I really like this map.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#231
I think the medivacs came too late...
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 10:22:35
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#232
I wish the quality let me see what actually happened.. but if he did have all his zealots behind then thats really bad lol..

Anyone else have a really blurry quality..
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#233
Damn, again with the zealots behind, and still comes out ahead.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
actionbastrd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Congo598 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#234
On February 07 2011 19:21 mizU wrote:
Terran has no medivacs...
With decent FFs, toss can hold this.



I didnt even realize! thats huge, no wonder he got beat in that engagement so hard.
It rained today inside my head...
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#235
I don't understand how Squirtle wins all these battles while the zealots are doing jumping jacks in the back-row.
I <3 Plexa.
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 10:23:05
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#236
can anyone tell me what the hell is artosis talking about saying the zealots were behind?

all he had were zealots and 2-3 stalkers, the zealots go UNDER the colossus so he cant block them

Wtf?.....
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#237
the maps in this team league have already made the game's more fun to watch. Pretty entertaining battles despite some micro mistakes.
Burpies
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada409 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#238
Squirtle melting everything with collosus!
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#239
Protoss just 1a and wins.

No army positioning at all but still is winning these battles......
Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
February 07 2011 10:22 GMT
#240
If 2 of my terran team mates died to a protoss guy why would you pick a 3rd terran? Switch it up! Try a Z or another P.

The person chosing who he is playing didn't make thebest decision
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