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wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 13:23:19
December 22 2010 13:22 GMT
#421
But to be serious here, because we have seen this circle go round and round a million times already. MVP had been doing builds that countered the typical ways zerg play ling/bling/muta and has the timings down when to push + good micro and positioning. Zergs will need to analyze this and alter their builds slightly to find the weakspot timings to punish this play.
here i am
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 22 2010 13:23 GMT
#422
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2

done just as well as mvp in gsl and won international tournaments
hes not some magical player
the game is broken
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BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
December 22 2010 13:23 GMT
#423
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2


He's one of a small number of Code S zergs.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
December 22 2010 13:23 GMT
#424
On December 22 2010 22:21 Xkalibert wrote:
Zerg pro need to learn new units composition for tanks and marines, don't go mutalisks, zergling,and baneling, go burrow roaches, zergling and Baneling, or get overlord transport for baneling bomb. And, in case Terran might switch tech to air get spire as back up tech.

Nice man you figured out a composition that the worlds Top Zergs couldn't!

But in all seriousness, you do realize Tanks eat that army alive right?
hi. big fan.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
December 22 2010 13:24 GMT
#425
On December 22 2010 22:18 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Terran cheeses: nearly wins GSL. Zerg Cheeses: Instant loss.



Someone writes something insightful in the thread: contributes to the community. Troll writes something: instant fail.
Do you really want chat rooms?
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
December 22 2010 13:24 GMT
#426
On December 22 2010 22:23 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2

done just as well as mvp in gsl and won international tournaments
hes not some magical player
the game is broken


Fair enough. You said the problem with zerg is its early game. How did he abuse early game on scrap?
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Ultramus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States319 Posts
December 22 2010 13:24 GMT
#427
As a zerg I really have no idea how you are supposed to beat marine tank like that, seriously, it's freaking ridiculous. God the baneling unit completely fucked zerg in this game. So disappointing to see Idra ahead in food all game long and then a small group of stimmed marines kills double the amount of mutas, ridiculous. I really want to see a terran come and tell me how you are supposed to stop that, it seems like zerg's have tried every possible unit composition to no avail.
Baking is like science for hungry people
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
December 22 2010 13:24 GMT
#428
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2


He won MLG DC?
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
December 22 2010 13:25 GMT
#429
On December 22 2010 22:24 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:23 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2

done just as well as mvp in gsl and won international tournaments
hes not some magical player
the game is broken


Fair enough. You said the problem with zerg is its early game. How did he abuse early game on scrap?

Oh Idk, maybe because he feels safe knowing Zerg's early game is rubbish and 1 rax FE'd.
hi. big fan.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 22 2010 13:25 GMT
#430
On December 22 2010 22:22 wintergt wrote:
But to be serious here, because we have seen this circle go round and round a million times already. MVP had been doing builds that countered the typical ways zerg play ling/bling/muta and has the timings down when to push + good micro and positioning. Zergs will need to analyze this and alter their builds slightly to find the weakspot timings to punish this play.

yeah.

Antway I missed the first few games, anyone knows if the VODs will be on gisado's site ?
The_Dark
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa222 Posts
December 22 2010 13:25 GMT
#431
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
December 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#432
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...


He did. Just not against Choya (a protoss).
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
December 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#433
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...


He lost to protoss I think.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 13:28:46
December 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#434
On December 22 2010 22:24 BFCrimson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2


He won MLG DC?



Sry but no koreans compete in MLG so I wouldn't really call it a true representation of an international tournament. Its more like USA + a few europeans. He for sure is the #1 foreigner and maybe I was a little harsh with my comment
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
December 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#435
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...


because he ran up against other races than zerg.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
December 22 2010 13:26 GMT
#436
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...

The real questions are, is TvZ broken and TvP balanced?
hi. big fan.
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 13:28:33
December 22 2010 13:27 GMT
#437
On December 22 2010 22:21 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.

He's saying that the Zerg built the most ideal composition to combat the T. Being up on econ and all still didn't matter.


yes but the terran also had the most ideal composition for that part of the game.. and he didn't do any mistakes as far as I could see; he defended harass stationed tanks and attacked before idras extra bases kicked in; leapfrogged and spread marines really well to dodge most of the bling shenanigans, picked of tumors; the whole works.

there are no "counters" that are supposed to work 100%, else they'd be broken.

On December 22 2010 22:26 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:
The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...

The real questions are, is TvZ broken and TvP balanced?


well since mvp is probably the biggest prospect to switch to sc2 yet you can also ask if it's the other way round?
ESV Mapmaking!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 22 2010 13:27 GMT
#438
On December 22 2010 22:24 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:23 IdrA wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:21 YoiChiBow wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:19 Grebliv wrote:
On December 22 2010 22:14 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Wow what a surprise. One of the best Zerg players in the world knows exactly whats coming with excellent scouting on a Zerg friendly map and still loses building the exact "counter" units.


if the game was just "counter units" it'd be a really bad game of rps at high level, bw has seen the same compostions for years more or less, it's the subtle things that matter.


How is Idra one of the best zergs in the world? I would go as far to even say hes pretty unproven in the world scene for sc2

done just as well as mvp in gsl and won international tournaments
hes not some magical player
the game is broken


Fair enough. You said the problem with zerg is its early game. How did he abuse early game on scrap?

i said A problem is early game. every stage of the game is in terran's favor, but so few terrans actually take advantage of it beyond the early game that its pointless to try to make those points so i just talk about the early game, where its more visible. when terrans play for the mid game what just happened happens. and if terran ever needs to/learns how to play the late game you're gonna see literal 200 supply armies of thor tank marine viking that are actually invincible, with pure mule econ running bases with pf's behind it.
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Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 13:30:42
December 22 2010 13:27 GMT
#439
On December 22 2010 22:23 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 22:21 Xkalibert wrote:
Zerg pro need to learn new units composition for tanks and marines, don't go mutalisks, zergling,and baneling, go burrow roaches, zergling and Baneling, or get overlord transport for baneling bomb. And, in case Terran might switch tech to air get spire as back up tech.

Nice man you figured out a composition that the worlds Top Zergs couldn't!

But in all seriousness, you do realize Tanks eat that army alive right?



Burrow movement roach and transport baneling
SergioCQH
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
December 22 2010 13:27 GMT
#440
On December 22 2010 22:25 The_Dark wrote:The real question is, why didnt MVP play like that in GSL...


You can't abuse marine/tank against Protoss.
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