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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
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Jimmy Raynor
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:16 Jimmy Raynor wrote: Any vods for this? http://www.ustream.tv/channel/djwheat But the drone rush game is missing  | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
I mean, how big of a difference can it be? | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:25 nam nam wrote: Just watch Morrow's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTlKWWCuR4 I mean, how big of a difference can it be? I don't know, I haven't seen it :> | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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question
Czech Republic509 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:39 nam nam wrote: Use your imagination. Are you here just to annoy people or what? I thank you for the assistance in linking a game I didn't want to but if you don't mind I'll just wait for the game I want and save my imagination for books. I didn't ask for your help, I asked if people knew why there isn't G2 from Slush vs PainUser series. If you can't help me with that it would be nice if you would keep your witty remarks to yourself | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
He consistently takes the gas which is a good move if you're comfortable playing against the type of strategies you will inevtiably face if doing it. But his understanding of the game, at least during those games, was just completely lacking. On metalopolis he steals the gas. His opponent sort of leaves it be for quite some time. So what can he possibly be facing? Well, for sure he's going to be up against marines. So what does he do? He builds a stargate. That's questionable. Sure, it's good for those positions on metalopolis but argubly not in combination with the gas steal. He then begins pumping void rays, hiding them. All the while his opponent is cheerfully pumping put marines and the CC is almost done (or perhaps it was done, can't remember). Can't remember if he made a robotics in that game or not. If he did then that was stupid as well, given that he can scout with his rays. Anyhow, stalife has expanded and suddenly has an enormous bio-force and the game is basically over. Still incontrol manages to hang on due to good micro and good decisions in battles. But the decision to go for void rays in that game is beyond me. Second game he does the same mistake. He steals the gas and then goes for observers. It looks as if he wants to play a really safe game, thinking he should win because he is supposed to be the better player. But of course, stalife happily accepts the gas steal, builds a CC and 4 baracks. By the time the observer scouts the base, incontrol is so far behind that the game is already over save for a miracle or two. In the end he is just rolled over. What could he have done differently both those games? He could've sacked 1-2 probes at the opponents base to get some info on the unit count. The first game he would've seen a sizeable force of marines and chosen not to go for void rays. The second game he would've seen almost nothing and concluded a fast CC and acted accordingly. Third game he blindly goes 4 warp gates and just loses. I've seen incontrols PvZ and it's great. But I was so disappointed by these PvT games... I'm not a hater, I want him to do good. But that decision making was so awful. Basically no decision was correct. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 19 2010 19:35 ParasitJonte wrote: Really depressed by InControl's play. He consistently takes the gas which is a good move if you're comfortable playing against the type of strategies you will inevtiably face if doing it. But his understanding of the game, at least during those games, was just completely lacking. On metalopolis he steals the gas. His opponent sort of leaves it be for quite some time. So what can he possibly be facing? Well, for sure he's going to be up against marines. So what does he do? He builds a stargate. That's questionable. Sure, it's good for those positions on metalopolis but argubly not in combination with the gas steal. He then begins pumping void rays, hiding them. All the while his opponent is cheerfully pumping put marines and the CC is almost done (or perhaps it was done, can't remember). Can't remember if he made a robotics in that game or not. If he did then that was stupid as well, given that he can scout with his rays. Anyhow, stalife has expanded and suddenly has an enormous bio-force and the game is basically over. Still incontrol manages to hang on due to good micro and good decisions in battles. But the decision to go for void rays in that game is beyond me. Second game he does the same mistake. He steals the gas and then goes for observers. It looks as if he wants to play a really safe game, thinking he should win because he is supposed to be the better player. But of course, stalife happily accepts the gas steal, builds a CC and 4 baracks. By the time the observer scouts the base, incontrol is so far behind that the game is already over save for a miracle or two. In the end he is just rolled over. What could he have done differently both those games? He could've sacked 1-2 probes at the opponents base to get some info on the unit count. The first game he would've seen a sizeable force of marines and chosen not to go for void rays. The second game he would've seen almost nothing and concluded a fast CC and acted accordingly. Third game he blindly goes 4 warp gates and just loses. I've seen incontrols PvZ and it's great. But I was so disappointed by these PvT games... I'm not a hater, I want him to do good. But that decision making was so awful. Basically no decision was correct. I think your very wrong... voids can be very good against any MMM build to both force him to stay in his base until you get HT's ready and also in the main fight (many protosses use it), the last attack from the terran is what won the game because it hit just before storms were ready and incontrol got unlucky to fly his voids right into the marine army, had he not lost those 2 he could still have a chance to defend since storms were almost done. In game 2 stalife does the same build and that build is a huge risk since it loses to 3/4 gate but since incontrol goes for another build he loses. In game 3 incontrol probably thinks his going for the same build again but he aint so the 4 gate dont work. Also saying he does what he does blindly thats how most TvP is... you cant scout what a terran is doing in his base after the first few marines are out until you got obs, air or hallucination. Incontrol for sure dident play his best in the last games but it wasent as bad as you make in sound. Also makeing top 8 with so many players is far from bad. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On December 19 2010 19:35 ParasitJonte wrote: Really depressed by InControl's play. On metalopolis he steals the gas. His opponent sort of leaves it be for quite some time. So what can he possibly be facing? Well, for sure he's going to be up against marines. So what does he do? He builds a stargate. That's questionable. Sure, it's good for those positions on metalopolis but argubly not in combination with the gas steal. He then begins pumping void rays, hiding them. All the while his opponent is cheerfully pumping put marines and the CC is almost done I totaly agree with you. Going for gas steal followed by void rays is plain bad. Remembers me of that silver league guy who went double gas steal into proxy mass voidrays against me in a custom game. Of course i had a LOT of marines as he entered my base with his void rays. I cant believe incontrol did the same. Well, atleast he only stealed 1 gas, so its not as bad... | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:52 Piski wrote: Are you here just to annoy people or what? I thank you for the assistance in linking a game I didn't want to but if you don't mind I'll just wait for the game I want and save my imagination for books. I didn't ask for your help, I asked if people knew why there isn't G2 from Slush vs PainUser series. If you can't help me with that it would be nice if you would keep your witty remarks to yourself Wow aren't you touchy... If you can't get imagination, get a sense of humour. Do I really need to add an emoticon just so people like you won't freak out? I posted a video for the people that might want to see it and added jokingly "how big of a difference can it really be." (I haven't seen the the recent one as well). And if it makes you feel any better you can just add this after my second post:  Now you can keep your butt-hurt post to yourself. That would be nice. (I'm not joking but the smiles help right?) | ||
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GeForceFX
Lithuania101 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:28 Piski wrote: Why is there every other game besides Slush vs Painuser G2 the drone rush game? :o I've tried to search in djwheats ustream channel but I can't find that game. Yeap. Same. They probably might have forgotten to record it.. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On December 19 2010 22:25 GeForceFX wrote: Yeap. Same. They probably might have forgotten to record it.. i bet they are on the way as we speak, Sean, Djwheat and scott are very good with remembering to record vods =) (+ Ustream makes it very easy) btw: sad to See Geoff out already, next time! | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:52 Piski wrote: Are you here just to annoy people or what? I thank you for the assistance in linking a game I didn't want to but if you don't mind I'll just wait for the game I want and save my imagination for books. I didn't ask for your help, I asked if people knew why there isn't G2 from Slush vs PainUser series. If you can't help me with that it would be nice if you would keep your witty remarks to yourself It's pretty much identical to the game he linked to as he copied the exact strat from that game. If I were you I would rather have that game than nothing while you wait, but to each his own. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
GSL + Show Spoiler + oGsMC opened (the first!) 2 games against Rain with stargate, in both games Rain played marine/tank....there's nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with stargate opening, I like stargate opening myself because it gives you much better options for early aggression instead of the very passive early observer; you don't have to go all in, void-ray/stalker as an early poking-force is really strong The gas steal is there to prevent early cloak shenanigans which could lead to a build order loss when you open with stargate. I personally prefer going 1 gate stargate 2nd gate and immediate robo when I scout a 1/1/1 but gas-stealing circumvents the cloak-problem and enables you to play robo-less much longer. Definitely very viable, please don't critizise someone for doing a strategy that you obviously don't fully understand. | ||
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