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On December 19 2010 15:01 Gnaix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 14:12 k20 wrote:
I'm a GSL finalist you may know me by my alternate ID IMNesTea. All I have to say after watching the event is that P is overpowered. Peace! Yeah, maybe you're right NesTea. Considering how badly Iron was in bw, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/640_IrOn, it seems quite unusual that he could be so good at P in sc2. Therefore P must be imba.
Look at Nada, Boxer, MVP and July in BW. omg they haven't won a GSL yet.
P is imba.
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On December 19 2010 15:03 mytent wrote:
I wish people would stop thinking that everyone who is hating on Rain is hating on him for his style/all-ins. Because that's not it.
In fact, if he'd managed to actually execute a proper all-in, then he would have gained a fair few fans (myself included).
No, the reason everyone is hating on Rain is because he didn't give us a good show. He didn't all-in as well as he has in the past. He panicked.
Everyone's hating on Rain for giving them an extremely boring, lopsided GSL finals.
Rain all-inning his way to the final is precisely why he's getting hate. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense because there was a lot of hate for him before the finals even started.
I'd say Rain did his part to make the finals interesting... it's like if the finals aren't the most epic games ever then people complain they sucked.
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On December 19 2010 15:39 MysteryHours wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 15:03 mytent wrote:
I wish people would stop thinking that everyone who is hating on Rain is hating on him for his style/all-ins. Because that's not it.
In fact, if he'd managed to actually execute a proper all-in, then he would have gained a fair few fans (myself included).
No, the reason everyone is hating on Rain is because he didn't give us a good show. He didn't all-in as well as he has in the past. He panicked.
Everyone's hating on Rain for giving them an extremely boring, lopsided GSL finals. Rain all-inning his way to the final is precisely why he's getting hate. Your last sentence doesn't even make sense because there was a lot of hate for him before the finals even started. I'd say Rain did his part to make the finals interesting... it's like if the finals aren't the most epic games ever then people complain they sucked.
Fruitdealer seems to have set the standard unfairly high. I agree. He's getting the hate because he for the most part All-inned to get to the finals. He has played straight up and it' has sometimes worked sometimes hasn't. That's not the point. I feel he doesn't deserve as much hate as he gets, I mean he apologized for playing the game the way he wants to, I can't believe there's still hate toward him really. I think he's a great guy, he had a reason for why he all-inned NesTea and If it's true, I wouldn't blame him for all inning.
C'mon guys, kids genuine, he said sorry (not that he should have) and he even attempted to play standard games vs Hongun & MC. He doesn't deserve this much hate. It's really sad.
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I think Tl.net should ban balance discussion for 5 days after every/any GSL finishes.
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Congrats MC, you deserve it. Rep'n the brotoss!
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On December 19 2010 15:55 TheGiftedApe wrote:
I think Tl.net should ban balance discussion for 5 days after every/any GSL finishes.
We're talking about Rain being in the finals, not balance.
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Entertaining finals, though MC was clearly the better player.
Game 2 was one that Rain should've won. He became too timid at pushing MC's natural, being content instead to "contain" him. Rain countered this beautifully with warp prism play which will hopefully become more popular.
I was surprised how close MC made Game 3, given the huge deficit he as in after the cloaked banshee play by Rain. Very well-thought-out build on the part of the Terran user, and well executed.
Game 4 was about the worst play vs. proxy gates I've seen. Rain needs to go check out Blizzard's "challenge" thing they do where it shows n00bs how to deal with stuff like proxy gates and 6-pools. All he needs to do is pump marines non-stop and run them back and forth from the bunker, adding more barracks both to zone the zealots and to increase his production. Even when the stalkers come out (which he should be able to scout with an SCV in MC's main), he can hold them off with large numbers of marines + bunkers until he gases up and gets a marauder out. Rain's play in this set was very disappointing, especially given how quickly it was scouted.
Overall, an entertaining series where the best player won. I hope we see more warp prism play in the future. MC's great use of warpgates to spawn units all over the map, keeping MC's marine force out of position when he decided to break the contain was probably the best I've seen thus far in SC2. I think that's the future of Toss play in general and PvT specifically.
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On December 19 2010 13:38 Thermia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 13:00 Chocobo wrote:On December 19 2010 03:07 mr_tolkien wrote:
This results make no sense to me... How has Rain won a single game ? oO
Bancheese ??? On December 19 2010 05:43 headies wrote:On December 19 2010 05:13 ToasteR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Congratulation to MC for the win, I think it's what most people expected. However, Rain played a brilliant third game. Hopefully we see more play like that from him in the future. Brilliant = winning on a gimmick like a scouted, canceled rax into banshee play? And still almost losing? Really, MC lost that game because he got overeager with his colossus push. Definitely should have waited. MC is just miles ahead of Rain, that series was very lopsided. Game 2 was extremely entertaining, still. SIGH. I swear, some people must watch these tournaments just to have something to hate on. I wonder why this overly negative attitude is so prevalent for SC2 tournaments and not for most sports and competitions in general. After a competitive Super Bowl game, most people tend to be pretty happy, they saw some good action and a few exciting plays, and even if the scores weren't close later in the game, they appreciated the competition. I think of some SC2 fans watched it, all they would talk about it how much it sucked, how Team 2 never should have gotten so far, how calling Random Defensive Play cost them the game, and just harp on everything negative they can think of. To everyone hating on Rain... I'll consider your opinion valid when you reach the GSL finals. In games 1 and 2, Rain brought some extremely strong offense that would have crushed every single Protoss player on these forums. MC's exceptional skill was able to show, as he managed to survive it. In game 3 Rain thoroughly outplayed MC and defeated him with mindgames. MC is so damn good he almost stopped it, which made it more exciting than it could have been. It fell apart for Rain after that, but you can't deny that he had three very strong games and brought a serious challenge to the heavily favored best protoss player in the world. I just wish that fewer people would find that "being a hater" is fun for them, and instead would try out "being a Starcraft fan". Sorry, but as you are not a GSL finalist, your opinion is invalid.
I don't think anyone using the "you aren't in the GSL finals so you don't get an opinion" excuse could ever be taken seriously ever again.. Weak; so fucking weak..
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On December 19 2010 15:55 TheGiftedApe wrote:
I think Tl.net should ban balance discussion for 5 days after every/any GSL finishes.
+1
Seriously this is getting annoying. Personally I really enjoyed these finals.
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I enjoyed the finals and I think the two first games were really good and interesting to watch. I just loved the taking of a another main in game #2 after seeing Rain make a bunker/tank contain in game #1.
Game #3 was interesting in it's own way and Rain won it deservedly. He really made MC guess what he was going, not allowing ANY scouting probe or unit near his base. That was just awesome. The last part of the game wasn't that interesting and Rain made some blunders there (Splitting his army when he had the bigger one?).
Game #4 was cheesy, but hey, you gotta do it at least once a match to keep your opponent off-balance. I wouldn't have minded Rain doing it to MC either. 
Game #5 showed how you break bunkers as Protoss yet again.
I must say I love MC's poking with zealot/stalker/void-ray. It must be so annoying and MC usually just pulled back when he had damaged the front, not loosing anything, not over committing at all.
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Congrats to MC. 
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MC definetely deserves this. He was the best player in GSL 3 imo and it showed from start to finish. Specially his games vs MarineKingPrime. He made him look like a n00b.
So impressed of MC although cheering for MarineKingPrime in GSL 3.
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Well after such depressing qualification for protoss there is a protoss champion after all. Terrans have 2-3 quartefinalists every season so they dont have much reason to wine as well.
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Games 1 and 2 were superb, I'd have to say, especially game 2. MC made good use of those so underused Immortals against the contain. Aside from tanking Siege damage, they make short work of Bunkers as well.
Game 3 was well-played in Rain's part, but I'm pleasantly surprised that MC managed to survive so long and well (I know I wouldn't).
I don't understand the hate on game 4. MC tries a different style of play (perhaps to entertain fans) and all the haters surface. He doesn't proxy nearly as much as BBBPrime, who deserves the hate.
Props to MC, and I hope he continues to show the superiority of Brotoss to the SCII community.
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On December 19 2010 11:40 iNversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 11:37 ilmman wrote:
Leenock is clearly the best... he is only 13 and have so much more potential.. SO LOOK OUT guys for gsl4 .. because this guy will GLAD LEE KNOCK YOU DOWN>>>>>>> you clearly contradict yourself. potential in the future due to his young age does not equal being the best right now. he is good and played well this gsl apart from a couple decision making mistakes against marineking but i don't think he's even the best zerg atm let alone the best player in gsl4. also lol glad lee?
Actually I don't think Leenock getting eliminated by mk has nothing to do with anything besides maps. Yes, he could win the game on shakuras, but the game on LT was ridiculous imho.
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On December 19 2010 16:14 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 15:55 TheGiftedApe wrote:
I think Tl.net should ban balance discussion for 5 days after every/any GSL finishes. We're talking about Rain being in the finals, not balance.
Are you reading the thread?
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I don't even play this game yet, but I have watched alot of GSL games and I must say I'm pretty confused by rains decisions throughout the entire series.
Most importantly the game on steppes of war. I would assume that you could counter it simulair to how it's done in starcraft 1.
You need enough defense and good infrastructure to hold of the first 2-3 zealots and then staret outmicroing protoss with your marines since you can always run back to bunkers. I really think it's the obvious choice specially on starcraft 2 where marines are actually useful against protoss later on aswell.
Game 3 where rain won, i felt that he made a clear BO-win into a much closer fight than it needed to be had he just attacked probes with his banshees.
Game 2, where he had a strong contain he should have moved atleast one tank up to set some presassure on the protoss. This is done all the time at starcraft 1 and I fail to understand why that wouldn't be the logic in starcraft 2 aswell. If protoss isn't attacking, he probably doesn't have enough to kill the contain, so you set a little preassure to make him either attack before he's ready or to do some damage to units/buildings or whatever while he cannot attack you.
The last game was also abit surprising to me. He killed all probes but 1 asnd protoss had no units at home. Why not try to find the last probe and lift off with your buildings and aim for a draw? Really confusing.
I felt as if rain was not really top GSL material atleast decisionmakingwise if thats a word and I don't even play starcraft 2. So if some experienced player could tell me where I'm wrong I'd like to hear about it!
Anyway, well deserved win from MC.
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On December 19 2010 15:09 Gnaix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 14:56 neostars wrote:
It sad that some of you clowns diss Rain. You know who you are.
Rain would beat anyone of you with just one hand.
Great finals - Congrats to MC.
Storm is Overpowered and Blizzard needs to do something about it.
Yes, we're pretty sure Rain could probably pwn most of us at sc2. In fact, I'm pretty sure any of the GSL qualifiers are much better than most of us. However, it doesn't mean they are so much better that we can't criticize their play. Rain played pretty terribly in his games if you happened to watch them. Even in his game where he won, he made many bad decisions that almost let MC come back. Plus the way he beat some players previously were filled with too many cheeses, and although good players use cheese some of the time, they don't deserve to win by playing them continually.
Why don't you list the cheeses that Rain did to win besides the ones he did against Nestea? When it comes down to it, Rain is getting hated on because all the butthurt zerg fans are crying over Nestea's elimination. It's Nestea's fault for only knowing how to do 1 build: 14 hatch. Rain deserves to be in the finals because he won, and it doesn't really matter how he's won.
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still dont get why Rain kept making CC and tech lab instead of throwing down another barracks, mass marines, micro better then win the game.
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