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KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3841
MC FIGHTING
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3842
On December 18 2010 20:12 war_machine42 wrote:
What I'm entertained by is the cries to pull SCVs. The commentary just explained why this isn't possible, and the numbers back it up. If SCVs are pulled, Terran loses economy, and Protoss is already good for macro without Terran having to deal with the cheese. And at this level, Protoss isn't just whelping the cheese if he cancels the gate/looses the cheese at that point because it is a net gain for toss and Terran will MOST LIKELY eventually lose.

Yeah! And thats what happens when you dont pull SCV's. You leave it all down to micro. Better safe than sorry is what I say... But i'm not a pro so dont take my word for it. Ill gladly change my opinion if a pro says something about this.
I'd like a pro to talk about their response to it.
As far as I'm concerned, this happens on SEA all the time and the way I deal with it is by pulling SCV's and I know I'm not alone in that!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3843
On December 18 2010 20:16 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:14 Plexa wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:13 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:12 Ninja4ever. wrote:
That's so sad. I would have never ever wanted to hurt myself reading TL's comments like 6 months ago, even though sometimes comments on live reports were so bad.
But today, with all those non-players pros that think they figured the game out who are really getting on my nerves, I'll probably have to stop reading those kind of threads just in order to preserve my sanity.


I know this is off-topic.. but what the fuck is your icon?! :O

From memory he has the optical flare


can i get a Playgu logo :D?

or consume ^________^

Do something to deserve it that's how hoon got his ovie
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3844
On December 18 2010 20:16 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:12 Mooncat wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 iEchoic wrote:
Okay, here's the actual best counter to this strat:

1) As soon as it's scouted, build your rax behind your mineral line.
2) Build bunker in the direct center of your mineral line.
3) Bunker now covers all your scvs, your rax, and your CC.

Don't listen to noobs saying to attack the pylon/gates with your workers, tasteless and artosis know what they're talking about.


What you suggest might work, but it's still very difficult when Protoss is producing Zealots at the same rate that you are producing marines, I don't know if you're actually playing the game or just watch a lot and blindly accept everything that Tasteless and Artosis say as the undeniable truth.

I for one have faced proxy gate cheese on SoW multiple times in ladder, though maybe not this particular one that MC was doing, and each and everytime I defended it comfortably by sending 3-4 SCVs to kill of the pylon. Believe me or not, it does work.


iEchoic is right. That is the best counter economically.


Until your SCVs start dying maybe. I also think it's way better to do some nice sim city that blocks certain paths for the Zealots and placing a second rax than placing a bunker. But hey, stick to your theory crafting, what do I care... I do what works for me.

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
mytent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States156 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3845
MC's base was undefended though. Wouldn't have been easy to defend and also rally some marines teh other way?
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3846
On December 18 2010 20:14 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:13 LittleeD wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:03 ArtOfRandom wrote:
God im sick of people who watch the game more than they play it,

This should sum up this thread.
Thank you a billion times for this.
More playing, less fucking whining

I'm actually refreshed that people are blaming the player and not the balance of the game for once.

I still feel that blaming a player is still in the annoying tier category. It's a step up in terms of objectivity, but not quite out of the dismal mire of unattractive posting.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3847
On December 18 2010 20:18 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:16 SmoKim wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:14 Plexa wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:13 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:12 Ninja4ever. wrote:
That's so sad. I would have never ever wanted to hurt myself reading TL's comments like 6 months ago, even though sometimes comments on live reports were so bad.
But today, with all those non-players pros that think they figured the game out who are really getting on my nerves, I'll probably have to stop reading those kind of threads just in order to preserve my sanity.


I know this is off-topic.. but what the fuck is your icon?! :O

From memory he has the optical flare


can i get a Playgu logo :D?

or consume ^________^

Do something to deserve it that's how hoon got his ovie


I just want the pandabearguy as an icon. :3
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
December 18 2010 11:18 GMT
#3848
On December 18 2010 20:17 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:16 Banginglife wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:13 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:11 Banginglife wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:10 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:09 robin19999 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 traca wrote:
MC wasn't all in just saying


True... I would call that a Maka Gate lol


It would be a make gate if the gate was in the mineral line



Wouldn't that be a Maynard gate

You mean manner gate lol.....


NOPE, Maynard Gate. If you don't get the reference, don't bother. Its not worth your time to look it up. But it is definitely a Maynard gate.

Yes I get why you it's Maynard because of maynarding wokera but manner makes more sense IMO.

It was known as the horror gate in BW - might want to check up pokju vs bisu on peaks of baekdu for reference!


That game has been forever ingrained in my memory.
the UMP says YER OUT
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3849
MC wins in a Macro game or rain all-ins.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3850
He IS the master of ceremonies!
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3851
wish it was a best of 9, if mc wins this now, it was way too short to be an interesting final, it's over before I had time to properly cheer for the poor guy busy losing (isn't that what spectating is about too ?)
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3852
On December 18 2010 20:16 phosphorylation wrote:
This series is clearly showing the weaknesses of SC2...at least at this current state.


No, it only shows how matured are people posting here on tl.net.. There is nothing wrong with SC2.

MC cheeses, Rain fails to defend - people blame endlessly and you think there is something wrong with balance.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3853
On December 18 2010 20:14 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:13 mizU wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:12 Matoo- wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:05 Logican wrote:
IU - Good Day

I love you


And I love you!


Was about time for some love after so much hate.. :D


Spread the love. <3
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
December 18 2010 11:19 GMT
#3854
On December 18 2010 20:18 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:16 TheHova wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:12 Mooncat wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 iEchoic wrote:
Okay, here's the actual best counter to this strat:

1) As soon as it's scouted, build your rax behind your mineral line.
2) Build bunker in the direct center of your mineral line.
3) Bunker now covers all your scvs, your rax, and your CC.

Don't listen to noobs saying to attack the pylon/gates with your workers, tasteless and artosis know what they're talking about.


What you suggest might work, but it's still very difficult when Protoss is producing Zealots at the same rate that you are producing marines, I don't know if you're actually playing the game or just watch a lot and blindly accept everything that Tasteless and Artosis say as the undeniable truth.

I for one have faced proxy gate cheese on SoW multiple times in ladder, though maybe not this particular one that MC was doing, and each and everytime I defended it comfortably by sending 3-4 SCVs to kill of the pylon. Believe me or not, it does work.


iEchoic is right. That is the best counter economically.


Until your SCVs start dying maybe. I also think it's way better to do some nice sim city that blocks certain paths for the Zealots and placing a second rax than placing a bunker. But hey, stick to your theory crafting, what do I care... I do what works for me.



You can 2rax and bunker without losing any time. You just drop 2 fast raxes and build another SCV instead of an OC (which comes slightly delayed). You end up with 100 extra for a bunker.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3855
On December 18 2010 20:18 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:16 SmoKim wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:14 Plexa wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:13 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:12 Ninja4ever. wrote:
That's so sad. I would have never ever wanted to hurt myself reading TL's comments like 6 months ago, even though sometimes comments on live reports were so bad.
But today, with all those non-players pros that think they figured the game out who are really getting on my nerves, I'll probably have to stop reading those kind of threads just in order to preserve my sanity.


I know this is off-topic.. but what the fuck is your icon?! :O

From memory he has the optical flare


can i get a Playgu logo :D?

or consume ^________^

Do something to deserve it that's how hoon got his ovie


what if i want waffles ????
xO-Gaming.com || [xO]TheGiftedApe.364 || xO-Gaming Manager.
HiHiByeBye
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada365 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3856
McProtoss LOLOLOLOL
rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3857
[image loading]

User was temp banned for this post.
Banginglife
Profile Joined November 2010
United States92 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3858
On December 18 2010 20:17 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:16 Banginglife wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:13 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:11 Banginglife wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:10 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:09 robin19999 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 traca wrote:
MC wasn't all in just saying


True... I would call that a Maka Gate lol


It would be a make gate if the gate was in the mineral line



Wouldn't that be a Maynard gate

You mean manner gate lol.....


NOPE, Maynard Gate. If you don't get the reference, don't bother. Its not worth your time to look it up. But it is definitely a Maynard gate.

Yes I get why you it's Maynard because of maynarding wokera but manner makes more sense IMO.

It was known as the horror gate in BW - might want to check up pokju vs bisu on peaks of baekdu for reference!

Will do, thanks.
Charmander
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3859
On December 18 2010 20:16 Banginglife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:13 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:11 Banginglife wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:10 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:09 robin19999 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 traca wrote:
MC wasn't all in just saying


True... I would call that a Maka Gate lol


It would be a make gate if the gate was in the mineral line



Wouldn't that be a Maynard gate

You mean manner gate lol.....


NOPE, Maynard Gate. If you don't get the reference, don't bother. Its not worth your time to look it up. But it is definitely a Maynard gate.

Yes I get why you it's Maynard because of maynarding wokera but manner makes more sense IMO.


...........No its called Maynard because of Maynard the player who was super super old-school player who started the whole "sending workers to your expo while it finishes". he was THE dominant SC player way before we had e-sports scene we do today. Just a man with a computer and a will to win. THAT is why we call it Maynarding.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 18 2010 11:20 GMT
#3860
Rain going 1-1-1
dota 2 stream #noskill #feed #noob twitch.tv/dmcredgrave
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