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On December 18 2010 20:02 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 20:01 andrewwiggin wrote: Rain was horrible.
Goddamn HORRIBLE.
Now..where are all those noobs who thought he was great again?
MC microed to kill the mules as well. Very smart.
No one said he was great. They said you were an idiot. That continues to be the truth. V. bad game by Rain.
hahahahahahaha truth be told!
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Herp derp bias, herp derp all in, herp derp false equivalency.
More bitching about games. This really speaks very well for the SC2 fanbase, that people are excited about a win not because they're happy someone won but rather because they get to spite someone they don't know online.
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On December 18 2010 20:02 coddan wrote: TL.net reaction when Rain cheeses: that fucking noob, opponent X is so much better, how dare he?
TL.net reaction when oGsMC cheeses: so good strat, gosu micro, rain is so bad
That was gosu micro and rain did play bad.
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On December 18 2010 20:02 Prinny-tai wrote: Anyone think that would've gone differently if Rain could have built a Rax first? He probably would have been fine if he kept pumping out marines for a while instead of getting gas.
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that cheese is very difficult to hold off, especially since the depot before rax and reaper build time nerfs. before, you could counter with 9 rax 9 gas reaper if you scouted in base proxy. now, i think the only viable response is 1 rax constant rine + bunker to another rax, skipping orbital. then you have to kill the proxy gates before stalkers come out.
edit: see the way intotherainbow held this off in season 1, i think
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Killing the pylon is a horrible suggestion. 4 SCVs kill the gate before it can go up though so that's what Rain should have done, but he probably would have been behind anyway.
It's great that Terran can't go Rax first anymore on this map because Silver team players lost to proxy reapers T_T
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Yeah I am sure Rain could magically pull gas from his ass and get reapers and mauraders for stalker follow-up....
He had to get Marauder at that point. He didn`t respond well initially but at that point reapers was not an option.
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Wow, will you please stop ruining the good name of one of my favorite fictional characters andrewwiggin?
After scouting the pylon, Rain had to build a depot before he could even start a rax. Please tell me what he should have put his minerals into during this time? He started the refinery after the rax started but before it finished. I will admit that the bunker placement was terrible, but you're just being ridiculous spewing your vitriol.
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On December 18 2010 20:03 boaecho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 20:03 Vorlik wrote:On December 18 2010 20:01 Dente wrote:On December 18 2010 20:00 SilverforceX wrote:On December 18 2010 19:59 ahbon wrote: he saw the proxy, didnt attack the pylon with scv and dont build a fucking bunker next to the gate and let scv on gas plz explain to me The commentators explained to you well enough. He needed reapers to counter that. You don't. 5 scv's on the gateway and it dies before the zealot comes out. You will lose some mining time but toss has much fewer probes in his base. Another option is to wall in your mineral line, which is possible on steppes. 2 raxes on the flank + 1 depot and a bunker to close down the minerals. ...he can just warp in another gateway. Exactly...those 5 scv not mining is alot more than 150 minerals.
Terran has at least 8 scv's more. If he pops another gateway then put 3 on the second. When the first gateway dies, you put those 5 on the last gateway. You will not get behind, I'm 100% sure.
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On December 18 2010 20:04 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 20:02 mizU wrote:On December 18 2010 20:01 Vorlik wrote: the gas was to make a repear, but lacked gas and made a marauder instead. His defense wasn't that bad....he just needed 2 bunkers on each side, and sooner. Haters gonna hate. Or he could have just 2 raxed... what would that do? do you know how bad marines are against lots? He attacked way too early, it's a proxy gateway, not one at his base, reinforcements come way too quickly.
wut? bunkers?
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On December 18 2010 20:02 coddan wrote: TL.net reaction when Rain cheeses: that fucking noob, opponent X is so much better, how dare he?
TL.net reaction when oGsMC cheeses: so good strat, gosu micro, rain is so bad
The difference is that MC actually execute the cheese well, has alot better micro and does a better job defending vs cheese. I really hate cheese but i hate it even more if it's done bad.
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He should at least put the bunker on the other side of the CC. Then he could retreat back to it instead of having to worry of getting sandwiched between the zelots on the far side and the reinforcements.
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On December 18 2010 20:03 DarkRise wrote: I'm done watching this most annoying GSL finals ever -.-
Guess you didn't see the others.
Or do you mean the long waits and K Pop?
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On December 18 2010 20:03 HiHiByeBye wrote: Tasteless and artosis just explained how you can use SCV to kill pylon.
one of you noobs who bash on rain tell me how to stop that rush? please
Are you kidding me? Just make a rax and a bunker that can cover as much of the mineral line as possible. GG.
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I think an interesting way to defend that rush would be to make buidlings around the gateway so no units can come out.
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isnt there a blizzard tutorial teaching you what to doin this situation XD
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That game was one of the many reasons why Steppes of War should be taken out of the map pool.
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surely even just a better placed bunker would have helped so so much
Rain's nerves getting to him?
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On December 18 2010 19:45 Krehlmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 19:40 Fiercegore wrote:On December 18 2010 19:39 FliedLice wrote: why are people so hard on rain?
relax people, seriously This. He's in the finals of the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. And he's playing against the best protoss in the world. Or at least in the top 2 Because even if he's in the finals he doesn't deserve it. "Yeah but he won lol" because he did boring as tactics and as IdrA said : "Even if it wins the game and is a valid tactic for some absurd reason, it's still boring and wothless from a perspective/fan viewpoint and that is detremental to the sport aswell." Meaning, he kills the sport, you nor anyone here can denay that Rain in the finals has made alot of people and viewers upset and less inclined to enjoy it. Sadly, our nerd rage upset equals less sponsor money equal less awesome e-sport events. Alot of people are just idiot ragers, I'm just sad Rain kills the sport and he knows it... apologising for it as he goes. Smart to win, but soulless.
A post with which i couldn`t disagree more. IF e-sport is a true sport (and i belive it is) there HAS to be upsets, underdogs, "unfair" winnings and so...
The most boring will be easy predictions.
Why football (soccer for our American friends) is most popular sport? One of the key factor is that is most unpredictable sport!
Of course we need some "Federer vs Nadal" games in Sc2. But sport is full of surprises and should stay that way.
So i think he is absolutely not killing sport!
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