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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:14 teacash wrote: Top 4 finish and S-class on your first GSL season is such an impressive feat. Cheers to Jinro for making this season of GSL so great. It's his 3rd GSL season. But still an awesome job of getting RO4. Now all he has left to do is help MC win against Rain  | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
Still, I was expecting a 4-0 or 4-1 this series, not too surprising. Even though Jinro played solid games throughout the tournament, him being in BoxeR's bracket, on top of some luck in the match results (Polt beating BoxeR, choya over IdrA/mvp), gave him the easiest path to the RO4 by far. Many people (likely those who play races other than terran) have been pointing at Jinro as the example to show us that, "see, Terran CAN play macro!" But this is the result when it's attempted against someone who knows how to stop it. The threat of heavy early aggression / 1-base play is what keeps Terran from being overrun later in the game, they cannot play passively and win. As for what Jinro could have done better, I'd say... a banshee rush would have worked well in most games, as MC never built a Robo (or he may have in 2, but it would've been late). Early aggression would have helped, pushing with 2-3 units (marine/marauder with conc shells), wasting MC's sentry energy and keeping the unit count low. Even if Jinro drew the games out longer, though, if he played like he did during the choya series I don't think he had much of a chance. | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:54 LoLAdriankat wrote: I logged on just to post that tweet. I'm very curious. The fact that he says it's a surprise for foreign viewers tickles my fancy. GSL for foreigners only?!?!?!?! That's an awful idea. I'm betting on interviews and honors for 3/4. Maybe a match for 3rd place. That'd be awesome. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
From what I have seen, it depends on the new strategies that have yet not been countered properly, Maps, People for some reason chocking and or repeating stupid mistakes (Haypro, IdrA) Not making choices you'd expect from a pro player (NesteA not holding his expansions, building 1 or no spinecrawler) As I see it there hasn't been anyone in the top 8 that couldn't had a shot at winning, now you might cry faul but seriously no one expected Nestea or Fruitdealer to win when they started, heck no one knew them, no one knew Rain or Hongoyn either. I hate Rain to be truthfull, but I can not blame him for doing what it takes to win, and it would be naive of me not expecting him to have a fighting chance to win against MC when he won against Nestea. MC might be a better player overall, and I hope he wins, but Rain has a chance; There is always a chance. I just wish JinrO had thought the same. TLDR; Stop acting like there is a science behind SC2, if people like Day9 or Tasteless who has spent over 11 years on this shit can't call winners by even close proximety I doupt anyone can, and saying things like they're not only opinions but truths make you look like a smug douche imo. Just an opinion thought. | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
Losing in elimination race - priceless. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:45 JinDesu wrote: Bets anyone? I'm gonna bet on honorary stuff for 3/4th place this season. Not sure, I'd think it would have to be announced very soon...or at least Jinro/HongUn would have to be made aware. | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:27 Krehlmar wrote: I wish people would stop this immense bullshit of "He's just superior"... there is nothing like superior in SC2, every GSL has proven this by having huge differencials in who win and loses. I personally find it sad that people can't see the different in player skills when they watch the games. If you can't identify skillful play and appreciate those moments, it removes alot what is fun about watching these games For example, the difference in OGS MC's void ray attacks and HongUn's are light and day even if they both had reached the same stages in the GSL. Protoss is definitely the race where player skill matters the most. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
Well done Team Liquid | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
Dunno, it seems to me that the thread explodes in anger when a player gets owned for their quality of games played... but when Jinro gets rolled, it was because the other player had "Godlike" hands... dunno maybe im just a nub that thinks any player that gets owned 3 times in a row with 1 little push... perhaps mc read him like a book cuz of the many hours of practice but isn't that practicing supposed to refine your weakness and set up a strategy? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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firalol
United States51 Posts
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faylayen
Netherlands62 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Blacktion
United Kingdom1148 Posts
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OMGavin
Netherlands10 Posts
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
Keep in mind this is not balance I am talking about, for all I care Stalkers could have a special nuke the whole map-ability, as long as it is interesting to watch. But if I were the Terran I would do my best to cheese a win in the first 5 minutes, since the longer the game goes the less my chances of winning are, so probably no match will go past 8 minutes. Where are the days where I sat astounded of how impossibly good the players were, knowing I could never do what they are doing? Blizzard must do balance changes, not to balance the game, but to force PvTs to be worth to watch. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 11 2010 00:04 HowardRoark wrote: The finals will be dreadful. PvT is completely broken from a spectator point of view. Either it is rush coinflip, OR, it will be a longer game where it is Ball vs Ball moving around with the same speed trying to find the best position to attack. I feel Blizzard strongly need to make PvT more interesting to watch, since now even the mirrors are more interesting. Keep in mind this is not balance I am talking about, for all I care Stalkers could have a special nuke the whole map-ability, as long as it is interesting to watch. But if I were the Terran I would do my best to cheese a win in the first 5 minutes, since the longer the game goes the less my chances of winning are, so probably no match will go past 8 minutes. Where are the days where I sat astounded of how impossibly good the players were, knowing I could never do what they are doing? Blizzard must do balance changes, not to balance the game, but to force PvTs to be worth to watch. I would say PvT (before the patch changes that made TvZ more interesting) was the most dynamic matchup. Yeah, it will probably by 1base timings for the finals, but if they get past that into longer sets...I don't think justifying it as a Ball v Ball in macro positioning is really the same thing....I mean Blizzcon's Loner v Genius had probably two of the best PvT sets ever played (of course on Xel Naga), and Dreamhack's Naama and MaNa had another two or three amazingly played sets as well. | ||
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