[GSL] S3 Ro4 Day 2 - Page 120

On December 10 2010 21:24 psycow wrote:
Hope you guys now realize why everyone CHEESES in this game.

Attempt macro like Idra and Jinro == LOSE

But then again, I don't find macro games all that interesting in SC2 either. They just move their one big clumped together balls around in a BALL vs BALL wankfest until they finally decide to get on with it. I find it more entertaining just massaging my bigass balls.

On December 10 2010 20:57 AlexDeLarge wrote:


He could have tried a complete overhaul of his play style if he acknowledged that MC is the superior player and reads him like a book. Maybe instead of calm, collected reactionary style - trying blind aggression or something totally unpredictable to catch MC off guard. Don't even practice it, just go full improv and see where it takes you. He would have probably still lost, but i think he'd given MC a harder run for his money.

On December 10 2010 20:30 confusedcrib wrote:
Anyone know how jinro could have won?

On December 10 2010 21:25 Holgerius wrote:

You've been watching too many bronze league macro games.

On December 10 2010 21:32 Bogeyman wrote:

The question isn't how Jinro could have won those matches against MC, the question is:

Was what MC was doing in the respective matches supposed to absolutely crush what Jinro was doing?
What other viable and stable options were there for Jinro to open up against MC, and why did he choose to do what he was doing rather than any of those other openers/builds?
Is what Jinro was doing supposed to be labeled as defunct given what a Protoss such as MC can do, or was the build of MC specifically meant to counter only what Jinro was doing and a small sub-set of other builds in the respective matches and would've fared poorly against many other builds?

From my perspective I just don't see any amount of micro saving Jinro in the first 3 matches. In the first and 3rd matches I can accept Jinro losing, given the great pressure in game 1 (Jinro could've handled it slightly better) and the fact that Jinro expanded in the 3rd whereas MC saved it all up for what I suppose only protoss is consistently able to do (since they can reinforce the front with warp in, reducing or negating the advantage of defending). In the 2nd game I'm just marveled at how incredibly effective those early sentries turned out to be, and with MC putting down an expand of his own and still being able to completely crush Jinro I feel absolutely mortified for Jinro. I don't see any reasonable (stable) alteration of Jinro's play there that could have saved him. And I don't know if I'm supposed to believe that MC is simply so much better than Jinro that it's reasonable for him to be able to play similarly to Jinro (expand and mass up units for a reasonably fast attack, no excess teching slowing either player down) and not only win, but completely roflstomp him.

There may have been completely different builds that Jinro could have used that would've worked, and probably have been pretty stable as well, but I don't see that what Jinro was doing in game 2 is supposed to be so weak and fragile that a comparable build (macro and tech-wise) can simply run over it with good forcefields.

Or is there something magical about MC that makes him so much more powerful? Is he an alchemist that turns his minerals into gold minerals? I'm sad to say it but to me it seems more likely that it's some slight balance issue that MC is better making use of than most other protoss players. Forcefields maybe?

Oh, and sorry for the overly long post...

On December 10 2010 21:23 noD wrote:
perhaps a new era of terran not winning anything then a new flash arises ? =D