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This is going to be awesome. Just hoping I don't have to listen to that Chinese guy yap again.
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Russian Federation798 Posts
I play Terran, I love Foxer but I want to see a good PvZ because I haven't seen one in a while.
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you got PM and AM mixed up for Finals
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I believe in you, Tester.
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GO TESTER GO TESTEER
SHOW THIS TERRAN KID WHOS BOSS
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Man, if only Boxer had better decision making...
Anyhow, I love Foxer and all, but I must root for Tester. The guy has been underperforming. Protoss needs a hero. It has been TvZ finals for the past two seasons. I want Tester to win it all.
Btw, I changed my statement about the Chinese commentating. It's horrible, it is non-informative, the voice is not very pleasant. But if you can understand Chinese, and actually listen to it, he does say some pretty funny things.
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Testers been looking more killer than normal, i think he will intimidate the feminine Foxer and win before the games even start. On a serious note really cheering for tester i need a protoss hero 
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I think the Chinese commentary is hilarious mainly because how critical he is of every perceived mistake and how biased he is towards individual players (he was almost sulking when Boxer lost that third game)
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Foxer vs Tester.
The micro will be ridiculous.
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Hopefully someone will restream and not add their 2 cents and just watch the stream in silence like the first few days this was streamed. Seriously looking forward to testers games! He just looks so polished its unreal....
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On November 21 2010 05:37 chocoed wrote:
This is going to be awesome. Just hoping I don't have to listen to that Chinese guy yap again.
Be grateful that you even get to watch it for free.
I am really looking forward to the Boxer vs Tester game, I haven't seen BoxeR's TvP yet.
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i believe in sSKS, he got this!
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for the chinese version, what you could do is to mute the sound, and run another korean game side by side. no body would be able to tell the difference.
why don't u try that and see what people say. doesn't hurt.
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No way Foxer is not a huge favourite against Tester. Most top terran players have no probs vs top protos players. Foxer has better bio micro than prob. any other top terran player, and i expect him to completely outplay Tester.
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Please Tester, beat Foxer then go on to win this tournament. The entire race NEEDS this. You NEED this. Gogo Tester.
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Tester should easily win as long as he does a safe build
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gonna come down to foxers viking micro, which i havent seen
boxer's was very solid, keeping the phoenix numbers low, which is why he defeated sangho who has the same PvT style as Ssks
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does anyone have any info on what happened to tester in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S )
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On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:
does anyone have any info on what happened to tester in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S )
I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an answer.
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Will be very interesting to see how Tester handles Foxer's style. I'd imagine it's not as good against P as it is against Z because of forcefields.
Tester>cheese.
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Can't see how Foxer won't win this. I like Tester, and toss really need a win atm, but Foxer was soooo good vs FD. Will be interesting anyway! GL to both.
Other, ZvZ is just meh imo... Cheering for Kyrix.
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At the Moment I think Foxer is the most talented player around. We will see if Tester may comeback against him into the top of the top of the SC2-pros.
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He is the most efficient all-in no transition terran and once people figure out how to deal with it, we'll see how much talent he has.
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This annoying Chinese guy shows you how enjoyable Korean commentaries are, even if you don't understand a singular word.
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Why so late? why? : /
But nice races left, gogo Tester!
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On November 21 2010 06:55 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:does anyone have any info  ON what happened to  TesteR in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S ) I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an Answer.
He was taken out by LittleKid, a Terran player who qualified for R64 IIRC.
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Tester winning this whole thing would be great for Protosses and really give us something to look forward to once the main GSL season starts up next year. 
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Frankly Tester's PvT has looked VERY fragile lately. He also got eliminated twice by T's from the GSL prelims I think. If some random noob T can rush and kill Tester, Foxer is going to give him nightmares. Although if it makes it to late game Tester has a better chance.
I'm hoping for either Foxer vs Kyrix part II or Tester vs Kyrix.
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Would be funny if Tester wins given his failure to qualify for the last 2 GSL's. Nevertheless it's still a good player though just not as good as someone as Genius imo. (pvp is too random so anyone can knock eachother out in those).
I bet foxer will walk over tester with some good MMM action.
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On November 21 2010 07:50 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 06:55 happyness wrote:On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:does anyone have any info ON what happened to TesteR in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S ) I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an Answer. He was taken out by LittleKid, a Terran player who qualified for R64 IIRC.
lol, really?
any idea on what that kid did?
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On November 21 2010 08:09 Crixus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 07:50 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 06:55 happyness wrote:On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:does anyone have any info ON what happened to TesteR in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S ) I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an Answer. He was taken out by LittleKid, a Terran player who qualified for R64 IIRC. lol, really? any idea on what that kid did?
This is important.
TesteR didn't qualify for GSL 2 because he faced a timing push he'd never seen before.
GSL 3 We're left wondering was he outplayed? or was it another unique play style he had never encountered.
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On November 21 2010 06:44 Mios wrote:
gonna come down to foxers viking micro, which i havent seen
boxer's was very solid, keeping the phoenix numbers low, which is why he defeated sangho who has the same PvT style as Ssks
Really awesome on the fly decision making. Getting 2 additional starports like that.
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Rooting for Foxer v Kyrix final.
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Tester's PvT is quite solid. I think it will be an epic game. I personally root for Tester cos i'm sure all toss players agree that we need a champion for that race. However Foxer is good too so i reckon if he were to win, tester will be sure to give him hell before he lets him take a victory.
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Come on Tester!
There's a fanboy rooting for you
For Aiur!
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Marineking vs kyrix finals :D
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On November 21 2010 08:09 Crixus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 07:50 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 06:55 happyness wrote:On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:does anyone have any info ON what happened to TesteR in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S ) I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an Answer. He was taken out by LittleKid, a Terran player who qualified for R64 IIRC. lol, really? any idea on what that kid did?
In the LittleKid's interview he said "There was some lag at the start, that's probably why he lost" so maybe it has something to do with that
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Can we liquibet on these or no?
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On November 21 2010 09:07 Corrik wrote:
Can we liquibet on these or no?
All open liquibets are shown at the top left of the forums, right under the login button.
These games are not listed there.
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Really rooting for Tester he must be hungry for a big win by now.
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Lets go Tester if he doesn't win i think my hope for the protoss race will fall more than it has been lately.
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hope kyrix and foxer to pull out.
Would make an awesome rivary.
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Rooting for Tester, some high level ZvP would be neat. But most likely it will be Foxer vs Zerg with Foxer winning.
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We will see if liquid tyler was right when he said Testers PvT vs Nada was VERY fragile in the early/mid game. MarineKing will exploit that to no end if it is true.
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On November 21 2010 09:45 Moragon wrote:
We will see if liquid tyler was right when he said Testers PvT vs Nada was VERY fragile in the early/mid game. MarineKing will exploit that to no end if it is true.
Good observation if ANYONE will abuse your weakness, its foxer!
Go foxer!
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On November 21 2010 09:45 Moragon wrote:
We will see if liquid tyler was right when he said Testers PvT vs Nada was VERY fragile in the early/mid game. MarineKing will exploit that to no end if it is true.
Obviously he's not gonna do the same thing against Foxer. I think it came down to knowing your opponent. Seemed like Tester knew that it's not Nada's style to attack early, which is why Tester did that opener.
I predict Tester's FF micro will destroy Foxer.
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On November 21 2010 07:11 syllogism wrote:
He is the most efficient all-in no transition terran and once people figure out how to deal with it, we'll see how much talent he has.
How is foxer's style that involves early pressure to expanding numerous times supposed to be "all-in"? I don't understand all you people ridiculing foxer. He's an amazing player getting better everytime we see him, deserves much more credit than is afforded to him.
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As much as i love protoss and tester, I think foxer will win because of the way he plays. Early pressure is hard to hold normally, and when you have the marineking microing, it's going to be tough.
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Early pressure means maximizing the use of ur units. Having them sitting doing nothing is a waste of resources. With his micro/macro/decision making, he can't lose against anyone unless it has something to do with balance issue or meeting an equally skilled opponent, in which case then it comes to making micro/decision making error.
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On November 21 2010 06:55 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 06:48 Crixus wrote:
does anyone have any info on what happened to tester in GSL3 qualifiers? (aside from him not qualifying :S ) I've asked this many times nobody seems to have an answer.
He was knocked out in round 1 by  꼬마 / LittleBoy
 Tester lost 1:2 (L-W-L)
Maps were Xel'Naga Caverns, Metalopolis, Scrap Station (in that order).
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can the vods on the kr gom website be watched? i get an error window when i play on the play button
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TESTER MUST AVENGE THE DEATH OF HIS FALLEN COMRADE, THE FRUITDEALER! Show the Foxer whos the Baws.
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On November 21 2010 10:46 Qweasdzxc wrote:
can the vods on the kr gom website be watched? i get an error window when i play on the play button
they can only be watched from within Korea
which is why we get a goofy US restream of a Chinese restream
unless someone in SK is gonna step up
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Is there a way to watch this on the korean site without having to register? I don't really have a korean SSN....
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Awesome, hoping Tester wins. He totally deserves it.
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Any confirmed restreams so far?
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Damn I wish Foxer vs Tester was the final.. two of my favourites.
I want Tester to win though, since he didn't qualify for GSL 2 seasons in a row.
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On November 21 2010 06:31 Crt wrote:
for the chinese version, what you could do is to mute the sound, and run another korean game side by side. no body would be able to tell the difference.
why don't u try that and see what people say. doesn't hurt.
Haha this is an awesome idea. I am going to watch the Chinese stream with audio from Korean BW coverage! But seriously, a lot of people were streaming the Korean version last night, you just have to dig a little bit.
Edit: BTW, is it cofirmed that the semis are Bo3? I thought they were Bo5, with the finals being Bo7.
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I would love to see Kyrix vs Protoss!
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On November 21 2010 10:59 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 06:31 Crt wrote:
for the chinese version, what you could do is to mute the sound, and run another korean game side by side. no body would be able to tell the difference.
why don't u try that and see what people say. doesn't hurt. Haha this is an awesome idea. I am going to watch the Chinese stream with audio from Korean BW coverage! But seriously, a lot of people were streaming the Korean version last night, you just have to dig a little bit. Edit: BTW, is it cofirmed that the semis are Bo3? I thought they were Bo5, with the finals being Bo7.
This is absolutely hilarious. Actually I'm thinking turning on an anime would work too. Pokemon could work.
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Will there be any streams available for this??
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On November 21 2010 10:59 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 06:31 Crt wrote:
for the chinese version, what you could do is to mute the sound, and run another korean game side by side. no body would be able to tell the difference.
why don't u try that and see what people say. doesn't hurt. Haha this is an awesome idea. I am going to watch the Chinese stream with audio from Korean BW coverage! But seriously, a lot of people were streaming the Korean version last night, you just have to dig a little bit. Edit: BTW, is it cofirmed that the semis are Bo3? I thought they were Bo5, with the finals being Bo7.
If you find a Korean stream and you share it here it would be much appreciated :3
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Im so excited to see Tester vs Foxer, if anyone can compete Foxer in micro its Tester!
gogo sSKS!
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yeah it works but lags a lot, even with the slowdown trick.
But thanks anyway The opening ceremony has begun !
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holy $h!t, how did u find this. it works. thanks a million
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yeah, thanks a lot!
but this stream laggs a lot, nearly unwatchable sometimes -.-
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On November 21 2010 11:23 Uncultured wrote:
Marshmellow!
Hoot!
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Add this stream to the OP: On November 20 2010 08:58 Mioraka wrote:http://ppstream.uptodown.com/en/download this, install it. If that one doesn't work, download from here http://dl.pps.tv/ Open 2.plu.cn You need to use IE to open that site, not google chrome or anything else, only IE works Click PPStream, then a video player will load in the middle of the page. They have other sc2 programs before the actually game, so use it for testing.
On November 20 2010 09:45 Crt wrote:
1. Download and install ppstream
2. On the left, click the 6th item bottom up, start with "OII.EA1/2c" ==> Stand for Games
3. Then under "OII.EA1/2c", go to all the way down to "PLU-ÐǼÊÕù°Ô×ÛIIºÏƵµÀ" ==> Stand for PLU Starcraft 2 Stream
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i supose that is the url for HD video
you maybe have the url for lite video?
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Gom TV player or the website?
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On November 21 2010 11:25 CuraOh wrote:i supose that is the url for HD video you maybe have the url for lite video?
No, sorry. Someone posted it before, I saved it hoping it would work in the future and it does.
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lol @ the music video currently playing.
P.S. HOOT
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Why does the link in the OP take me to what looks like a page with VoDs?
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ROFL I want that marine figurine, looks hilarious!
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I wish I knew korean
Do they get that marine figure if they win? 
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damn, that weird marine model was pretty bad ass
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[x] Chips, beer, peanuts
[x] Excited
[x] FOXER
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On November 21 2010 09:18 Ryalnos wrote:All open liquibets are shown at the top left of the forums, right under the login button. These games are not listed there.
Whenever I go to that tab it gives me only SC1 games. I have to go to a whole different link to get SC2 games... liquibet2 or so. Is that not normal?
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Oh my GOD! Tester smiled! This is the first smile we've seen since GSL 1...
Tester is going to win... oh my god...oh my god...
I'm so excited!
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On November 21 2010 11:37 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 09:18 Ryalnos wrote:On November 21 2010 09:07 Corrik wrote:
Can we liquibet on these or no? All open liquibets are shown at the top left of the forums, right under the login button. These games are not listed there. Whenever I go to that tab it gives me only SC1 games. I have to go to a whole different link to get SC2 games... liquibet2 or so. Is that not normal?
you should have two numbers under your profile name, 0/0, the right one is for SC2, I don't think there are any liquibets for this though.
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Not the Chinese guy! FUUUU!
-Edit yay found one with Korean only
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On November 21 2010 11:36 PartyBiscuit wrote:
ROFL I want that marine figurine, looks hilarious!
![[image loading]](http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5571/tychus1.th.png)
Yeh the Tychus figurine is awesome, pity they're not available for sale
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I am assuming that most of the people watching don't understand Korean or Chinese... so I'm wondering what the difference between listening to one guy in a foreign language vs another guy in a foreign language?
On a side note, I do understand Chinese so this stream works pretty well for me =P
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foxer, next time you will scout that area for pylons !!
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great play by tester destroying foxers natural
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On November 21 2010 11:42 Jefferino wrote:
I am assuming that most of the people watching don't understand Korean or Chinese... so I'm wondering what the difference between listening to one guy in a foreign language vs another guy in a foreign language?
On a side note, I do understand Chinese so this stream works pretty well for me =P
listening to this guy is painful T_T
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Gogo Tester! Awesome, too bad Foxer didn't scout that corner.
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Holy crap that was a stomp
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Damn, that proxy 4 gate was dirty. Great Forcefields too.
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Foxer really needed the fast stim.. shouldn't have teched up too fast.
Pity he didn't build a depot there earlier.
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Wow I love you Tester, that was so awesome...beautiful forcefields.
It feels so good to see a Protoss beat a Terran~
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Watching tester play in these games makes me sad that he wasn't in GSL2 and won't be in 3 :<
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On November 21 2010 11:42 Jefferino wrote:
I am assuming that most of the people watching don't understand Korean or Chinese... so I'm wondering what the difference between listening to one guy in a foreign language vs another guy in a foreign language?
On a side note, I do understand Chinese so this stream works pretty well for me =P
Well I can't hear the game sounds at all on the chinese stream, which is the only thing I care about
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Tester is so sick!!! can't wait to see him in GSL again
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tester so awesome!
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On November 21 2010 11:42 Jefferino wrote:
I am assuming that most of the people watching don't understand Korean or Chinese... so I'm wondering what the difference between listening to one guy in a foreign language vs another guy in a foreign language?
On a side note, I do understand Chinese so this stream works pretty well for me =P
Korean commentary are dynamics and fun to ear, even when you don't understand.
Chineese commentary is monotone, it seems like a burying commentary destined to induce suicide.
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Greedy terran getting punished
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On November 21 2010 11:45 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 11:42 Jefferino wrote:
I am assuming that most of the people watching don't understand Korean or Chinese... so I'm wondering what the difference between listening to one guy in a foreign language vs another guy in a foreign language?
On a side note, I do understand Chinese so this stream works pretty well for me =P listening to this guy is painful T_T
He does sound like he just kindof woke up haha
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What is the song between games?
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I really don't understand why Pros don't just send one marine or scv to constantly scout proxies like that; it seems like it happens so often but its so easy to prevent...
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Foxer's fault for not scouting the pylon, not testers merit.
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Tester wanting to avenge the dealer, but NOT, Foxer will punish him after making him hope.
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Lack of scout
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Still foxer's mistake, should have researched stim much earlier and lifted his CC to escape the FF.
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Are they using the razer headphones with APM TECHNOLOGY??
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Foxer better own this game... really rooting for him
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early double rax with gas for foxer
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foxer going 2rax against p
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Tester got cheesed out of 2 GSL's.
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tester scouts 2nd rax with tech lab
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Ahhh tester why so awesome?
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wow foxer, no marine micro to kil lthe scout, so he doesn't kill it, is he ill ?
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On November 21 2010 11:48 Mascherano wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Tester got cheesed out of 2 GSL's.
Either that, or he wasn't trying at all cause he's S-class already. :p
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Yeah, brilliant move Trunx.
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Even if the proxy pylon wasn't on the high ground, you realize he still could have come from the other side and killed those rocks just the same, right?
That fast expand by terran was too greedy without stim or other upgrades.
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thats how tester lost in gsl i guess
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Foxer wins with MM bunker in base rush and BMs with a mule.
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Come on Tester, you saw that coming
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THAT is how you cheese, lol. Manner mule.
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Meh not worth staying up until 4.30 am for this ><.
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Tester deserved that for cheesing the first game.
Hope for a macro last game now.
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No, if Foxer had the high ground, the protoss would have had no sight and wouldn't be able to kill the rocks since the rines and marauders could defend on top.
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I want to see a longer macro game, not something like the first 2 :/
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second sentry was 10seconds too slow
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Foxer, I love you, I really love you.
But PLEASE, DON'T manner mule Tester, he is too respectable for you to do that.
I'll put this on his young age.
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Man, Korean games are soooo short
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omg blistering....nice map for the deciding game ><
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Headphones colours:
Tester: Red
Foxer: Yellow
Tester has higher APM!!
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that 2 rax push is really common on KR server... surprised tester handled it so poorly =\
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On November 21 2010 11:52 happyness wrote:
Man, Korean games are soooo short
Agreed. I'm new to watching SC2 and the games nearly always end up sooo fast. -_-
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On November 21 2010 11:52 Highways wrote:
Tester deserved that for cheesing the first game.
Hope for a macro last game now.
Expanding and then applying pressure with 4 gates is cheese? lol
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bad feeling about this expansion
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Why the hell is tester going FE against Foxer on blistering sands?
Edit: well my foot's in my mouth.
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Are these semi's and the finals still bo3? or are they bo5?
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If Tester holds he is a god.
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bad move killing those rocks, gives testers more warp units to even the battle
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target the lone pylon silly!
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Stay smart Tester, you got this.
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On November 21 2010 11:58 Awatsu wrote:
bad move killing those rocks, gives testers more warp units to even the battle
FF's make it hard to push the front, smaller choke.
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I will miss tester's miracle defense in GSL 3
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tester just needs to macro up now
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How did he hold that???
my stream went to commercials right as the battle started T_T
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omg, Foxer built a CC. I'm sure he meant to build a Barracks there, I don't believe he knows how to expand :o
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Macro game at least but Tester have big advantage
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Are the headphones they're wearing those razer ones with APM technology?
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On November 21 2010 11:55 KizZBG wrote:Agreed. I'm new to watching SC2 and the games nearly always end up sooo fast. -_-
Yep, MAP design, and also the DPS on these units are insane compared to BW
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FoxeR is missing a lot of timings. Looks pretty bad for him
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Tester has better everything. Better win!
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I am really hoping for a Kryix/Foxer final. And let's get some good maps for these matchups, too!
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wow tester caught sooooooo out of position!
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Tester engaging at the worst time and place possible
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Why move the entire army to the watchtower?
Why? /facepalm
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Ugh Tester. Runs up the ramp with all his units.
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Why would you send your WHOLE army up the XelNaga tower??
WTF
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Jesus christ was that out of position...
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Beautiful move by FOxer YESSSS
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Huh, are they playing on a different version of Blistering?Those rocks at the gold look kinda out of position...
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Fuck ya go Foxer. More manner mules!
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Tester....................................I guess this is why we don't see him in Gsl 2 & 3 :/.Damn shouldn't have stayed up for this QQ.
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Wow huge mistake by Tester, why was all his army at the tower..
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I can see why Tester did not qualify for GSL 2 and 3.
WTF was that??
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The one and only mistake tester does (bad position and 1 group syndrome) is immediatly exploited and pushed to death by FOXER, who is obviously a god amongs men.
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Wow, it always seems like Tester plays so well for so long, but then he makes the most amateurish mistakes. That positioning was absolutely embarrassing. After seeing this, I'm not so surprised at him getting knocked out from qualifiers...
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Tester played very bad...wtf...all army to kill 1 scv
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On November 21 2010 12:08 Highways wrote:
Why would you send your WHOLE army up the XelNaga tower??
WTF
That cost him big time. He fully deserves the loss
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So what was that about cheese, guys?
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Tester with some of the worst large army control i've seen in gomtv games to date, jesus christ..
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Tester didn't even look too pissed after - he made a mistake and lost
FoxeR, damn you're good,but you're still not my hero
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On November 21 2010 12:09 McDonalds wrote:
So what was that about cheese, guys?
tester is losing more than anything. any half good player should crush half an army at the watch tower.
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Tester didn't even get outplayed, just lost due to retarded positioning.
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God damn I want to see the finals and root for a macro game >/
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On November 21 2010 12:09 MrCon wrote:
The one and only mistake tester does (bad position and 1 group syndrome) is immediatly exploited and pushed to death by FOXER, who is obviously a god amongs men.
Truth! FoxeR is making better and better decisions. The EMPs were very well done splitting his army. I'm hoping for an epic Kyrix FoxeR rematch :D
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Aw, they shouldve done bo5
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Man, test throws away his win.
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Oh shiiiettt look at that guy. Thought he was screwed after the failed 3 rax.
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yea, bo3 a little frustrating when beasts like foxer and tester are battling
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Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning.
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I enjoyed that game actually, was pretty close. The reason why half of his army ran up the Xel Naga I think was so that he could avoid the ghosts EMP...which obviously failed, but I think there was obviously a purpose - since half the units that went up were Zealots.
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Yay, here's hoping for a Foxer v Kyrix rematch for the finals now.
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Wow... why did he need all those units at the tower? What a shame.
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On November 21 2010 12:10 dambros wrote:
God damn I want to see the finals and root for a macro game >/
I wouldn't expect to see too much macro if it's Foxer vs Kyrix...on the other hand, another Foxer vs Kyrix series would be absolutely epic.
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On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning.
Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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tester had observers as well and sill got caught oout of position. sigh.
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=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users.
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On November 21 2010 12:11 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I enjoyed that game actually, was pretty close. The reason why half of his army ran up the Xel Naga I think was so that he could avoid the ghosts EMP...which obviously failed, but I think there was obviously a purpose - since half the units that went up were Zealots.
From watching both games, its pretty clear that Tester has 1a syndrome. His army always moves in unison. He really needs to make multiple control groups
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On November 21 2010 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning. Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Calm down there turbo.
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That moment where he got his unit caught at the ramp reminded me of Pure vs Bisu on Polaris Rhapsody.
/facepalm
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Yet another case of OMG MUST MACRO and be at 100 places at once instead of not loosing your whole fucking army. Its almost like he spent 20 minutes getting all that stuff up just to not throw 2 forcefields that would've saved his entire army to fight in a favorable position.
I give up on seeing a protoss GSL champion between the frailty and the decision making of the people playing it.
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Kyrix vs Foxer was easily the best match series in GSL2. Can't wait to see Kyrix redeem himself.
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Foxer didn't a-move, his units were clearly in multiple groups to dodge storm.
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Just goes to show how unforgiving a mistake is for Protoss in this game.
I am pretty sure that Foxer fkd his 3 rax stim push SO BAD. Tester had a 2nd base up and running before Foxer even starts his, yet Foxer is still in the game after losing all those units.
Tester makes 1 mistake with his positioning and loses the game
Amazing defence at the start by Tester...
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On November 21 2010 12:12 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning. Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Calm down there turbo.
I'm totally calm. Text is cold. Don't infer too much from it.
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Gah Tester = most frustrating player.
Has great mechanics but at any time its like he can have a brain snap and do something uncharacteristically stupid for a professional player.
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On November 21 2010 12:13 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:12 Serpico wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning. Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Calm down there turbo. I'm totally calm. Text is cold. Don't infer too much from it.
No, you seem pretty keen on telling people off.
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I'm not so sure about Kyrix's zvz abilites though
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On November 21 2010 12:10 HolyArrow wrote:
Tester didn't even get outplayed, just lost due to retarded positioning.
One way to outplay your opponent is to have the patience to wait for him to make a mistake.
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On November 21 2010 12:14 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:13 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Serpico wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning. Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Calm down there turbo. I'm totally calm. Text is cold. Don't infer too much from it. No, you seem pretty keen on telling people off.
I strongly disagreed with the statement made, so I decided to reply. Simple as that. No point in continuing this petty argument.
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What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game..
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is anyone else streaming the chinese stream?
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On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users.
Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester.
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On November 21 2010 12:10 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:09 McDonalds wrote:
So what was that about cheese, guys? tester is losing more than anything. any half good player should crush half an army at the watch tower.
Yeah Tester is bad and Foxer is bad and you're better than both of them clearly. /sarcasm
Tester makes a single mistake and everyone jumps on him and talk trash. Because we've never seen mistakes in pro games ever.
On November 21 2010 12:13 Spectorials wrote:Just goes to show how unforgiving a mistake is for Protoss in this game. I am pretty sure that Foxer fkd his 3 rax stim push SO BAD. Tester had a 2nd base up and running before Foxer even starts his, yet Foxer is still in the game after losing all those units. Tester makes 1 mistake with his positioning and loses the game Amazing defence at the start by Tester...
Losing your army is a mistake that will cost any race.
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I just tuned in - what game are we on now? And whats the score?
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Bad bad positioning by Tester. Oh well another TvZ final, yayays,
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On November 21 2010 12:15 frucisky wrote:
What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game..
I think he should have stuck with the HTs, he chose to get both high temps and DTs on two bases. If he had a couple more storms in that instead of the DTs, I think tester could have destroyed MK's army (plus fedback the medivacs) outright.
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I don't know how to play this live, can anyone show me how? I feel so American.
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On November 21 2010 12:13 Spectorials wrote:Just goes to show how unforgiving a mistake is for Protoss in this game. I am pretty sure that Foxer fkd his 3 rax stim push SO BAD. Tester had a 2nd base up and running before Foxer even starts his, yet Foxer is still in the game after losing all those units. Tester makes 1 mistake with his positioning and loses the game Amazing defence at the start by Tester...
Actually, despite the 3 rax push not doing that much damage, the units traded were pretty equal. Tester lost a lot of sentries when he retreated. Keep in mind that the 3 rax would have killed tester if FoxeR had pushed the front rather than busting the backdoor.
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On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester.
No, Tester was trying to do some sort of flank involving the watchtower and it failed horribly.
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Thats why tester isnt in gsl , hes is the best player to throw away his games i feel so sad now ...
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On November 21 2010 12:15 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:14 Serpico wrote:On November 21 2010 12:13 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Serpico wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:On November 21 2010 12:11 Gecko wrote:
Wow testers army just melted, i don't think he would of won even with better positioning. Please tell me you're joking. He lost a good 1/3rd of his zealots which were still stuck in the watch tower area. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Calm down there turbo. I'm totally calm. Text is cold. Don't infer too much from it. No, you seem pretty keen on telling people off. I strongly disagreed with the statement made, so I decided to reply. Simple as that. No point in continuing this petty argument.
You did more than disagree bro.
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anyways....
Excited for TheWind vs Kyrix
I don't think we've seen Kyrix do a proper ZvZ yet, should be interesting
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Sorry I missed the game. What was the score between tester and foxer?
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On November 21 2010 12:13 Spectorials wrote:Just goes to show how unforgiving a mistake is for Protoss in this game. I am pretty sure that Foxer fkd his 3 rax stim push SO BAD. Tester had a 2nd base up and running before Foxer even starts his, yet Foxer is still in the game after losing all those units. Tester makes 1 mistake with his positioning and loses the game Amazing defence at the start by Tester...
I disagree.
Foxer 3 rax didn't win but at the very least traded even with tester's army. And I'd say tester lost a lot, a lot of gaz heavy units while foxer didn't. I still think tester had a window to punish foxer when he launched his expansion, but he didn't ^^
But I don't understand why tester didn't made any forcefield at the xelnaga battle. Just one forcefield at the bottom of the ramp, a little to the right, would have been enough to stop foxer's army. Then he shouldn't have retreated his immortals when they will die anyway, just target some marauders for aiur's sake !
Goog game anyway, little disapointed by tester.
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On November 21 2010 12:19 chocoed wrote:
Sorry I missed the game. What was the score between tester and foxer?
foxer 2 - 1 tester
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On November 21 2010 12:19 chocoed wrote:
Sorry I missed the game. What was the score between tester and foxer?
Look up
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That mistake was nearly as bad as sanZenith mannering his expo with a cannon, watching the minimap was train wreck in motion, the dude should watch some day9 . FoxeR didn't snipe the pylon powering 4 of SKS' gates in his push either.
EDIT: Tester threw away a huge lead aswell after the 3rax failed.
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Thank you! Can finally ditch the other stream.
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Hahaha Tester omg he had the win just defend and be ok he had ht and dt out and was clearly in an economic advantage and then he just makes such a stupid mistake reminds me of myself =)
U can have about 1500 overmins and it wouldnt matter if u throw away ur units like this...macro perfect all game long just to send ur hard earned minerals to ur enemy as a present isnt the way war works ...
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On November 21 2010 12:17 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester. No, Tester was trying to do some sort of flank involving the watchtower and it failed horribly.
All his units moved in one control group, foxer's didn't. I'm all for supporting the last surviving protoss but randomly bashing on the guy who beat him (who played well) doesn't make sense.
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Tester is insanely good, anyone who says otherwise is a dumbshit. Anyone who plays toss know we would have had to GG after those rocks were down, but tester held that shit off like a pro.
It was just a positioning mistake. His micro is good as well, if you saw at the watch tower, AS SOON as he saw a ghost he INSTANTLY split his army up into 3 different parts.
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On November 21 2010 12:15 frucisky wrote:
What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game..
One DT killed the SCV building the CC at the gold (and the DT survived there even when the army came over and scanned, hiding at the extreme south), and another DT cleared out all the SCVs at the main (several ran away) including all the ones mining gas so I'd say they did pretty well.
On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester.
Yep. Woulda been great to see this play out if tester hadn't stupidly thrown it away through bad positioning. HTs were out but Foxer was microing pretty well for it, even putting the ghosts in a medivac to avoid getting feedbacked, spreading his army out etc. Coulda been quite a game still.
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Sigh, if kyrix loses to thewind, im gonna flip my table.
The guy's freaking terrible.
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On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users.
yeah man, the player with the best sc2 micro in the world is amoving, absolutly.
I understand fans being sorry, but please don't post nonsense
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Man, if only IdrA was in TheWinds' place.
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On November 21 2010 12:22 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. yeah man, the player with the best sc2 micro in the world is amoving, absolutly. I understand fans being sorry, but please don't post nonsense
As soon as someone loses it becomes the whole reason why they arent in X tourney or winning against X players. He made a mistake, he's a great player. Stuff happens.
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On November 21 2010 12:23 Kraz.Del wrote:
Man, if only IdrA was in TheWinds' place.
Yeah, I'd like to see his ZvZ now that he has Ret and Sen to practice with.
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Jeeze, Tester is the most up and down player I've ever seen. In his games against Nada, he honestly looks like the most solid protoss I've ever seen, at least PvT wise. . Now he loses a game due to a rax push that he probably knew was coming (because he was against FoxeR), and loses a game due to a single mistake.
I have confidence that once he can shape up and not make so many mistakes, he will be one of, if not THE best protoss in the world right now.
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Really, there are no comments to be made about balance from that game... that was one of the worst possible positions for Tester to engage on the whole map, and he had 1 control group syndrome for the entire game (evidenced by the fact that when he went to attack Foxer's scouting factory earlier in the game all of his zealots went with the stalkers)
I love Tester's play when he doesn't do stupid stuff like 1 control grouping in midgame and engaging in horrendous positions
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time to see who has the better zergling / baneling micro
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On November 21 2010 12:21 Silidons wrote:
Tester is insanely good, anyone who says otherwise is a dumbshit. Anyone who plays toss know we would have had to GG after those rocks were down, but tester held that shit off like a pro.
It was just a positioning mistake. His micro is good as well, if you saw at the watch tower, AS SOON as he saw a ghost he INSTANTLY split his army up into 3 different parts.
Honestly, I wished Tester qualified for at least one other GSL so it would shut people up a bit. He played pretty stellar that last set except when he was splitting...he ended up splitting his zealots into the tower.
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On November 21 2010 12:23 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Jeeze, Tester is the most up and down player I've ever seen. In his games against Nada, he honestly looks like the most solid protoss I've ever seen, at least PvT wise. . Now he loses a game due to a rax push that he probably knew was coming (because he was against FoxeR), and loses a game due to a single mistake. I have confidence that once he can shape up and not make so many mistakes, he will be one of, if not THE best protoss in the world right now.
he is S-class, so we'll see plenty of him
and he was pretty damn impressive in GSL1 - I think he's just suffering along with all the other protoss atm
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whens the 2nd series starting?
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On November 21 2010 12:21 Gezz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:17 jalstar wrote:On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester. No, Tester was trying to do some sort of flank involving the watchtower and it failed horribly. All his units moved in one control group, foxer's didn't. I'm all for supporting the last surviving protoss but randomly bashing on the guy who beat him (who played well) doesn't make sense.
How would having different control groups make it any better? The mistake he made was sending all those units to the tower rather than just 1 zealot.
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On November 21 2010 12:21 wintergt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:15 frucisky wrote:
What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game.. One DT killed the SCV building the CC at the gold (and the DT survived there even when the army came over and scanned, hiding at the extreme south), and another DT cleared out all the SCVs at the main (several ran away) including all the ones mining gas so I'd say they did pretty well. Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester. Yep. Woulda been great to see this play out if tester hadn't stupidly thrown it away through bad positioning. HTs were out but Foxer was microing pretty well for it, even putting the ghosts in a medivac to avoid getting feedbacked, spreading his army out etc. Coulda been quite a game still.
Didn't he get that DT? It moved to the extreme south but MK's army followed it I thought.
Anyway, the first two games were nothing special but the last told us a lot about both players I think. Tester obviously deserves to be on the stage, but he wasn't the better player today.
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Which one is Kyrix and whixh one is thewind?
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On November 21 2010 12:24 udgnim wrote:
time to see who has the better zergling / baneling micro
I'd say kyrix since he gets a lot of practice with banelings.
Seriously, he probably would feel something's missing if he doesnt make banelings lol
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Game 1 Xel'naga Caverns
Kyrix 1" yellow
TheWind 7" red
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Who's who???
Edit: Whew good thing The winds name is in English.
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I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units.
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Did Battle.net 0.2 fail again?
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Dammit I missed the entire series. VOD detected anywhere?
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Mmm Carefoot's stream is amazing.
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On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units.
This and Foxers timing seemed a bit off to me and im not sure he even scouted the FE in the first place.
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On November 21 2010 12:26 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:21 wintergt wrote:On November 21 2010 12:15 frucisky wrote:
What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game.. One DT killed the SCV building the CC at the gold (and the DT survived there even when the army came over and scanned, hiding at the extreme south), and another DT cleared out all the SCVs at the main (several ran away) including all the ones mining gas so I'd say they did pretty well. On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester. Yep. Woulda been great to see this play out if tester hadn't stupidly thrown it away through bad positioning. HTs were out but Foxer was microing pretty well for it, even putting the ghosts in a medivac to avoid getting feedbacked, spreading his army out etc. Coulda been quite a game still. Didn't he get that DT? It moved to the extreme south but MK's army followed it I thought. Anyway, the first two games were nothing special but the last told us a lot about both players I think. Tester obviously deserves to be on the stage, but he wasn't the better player today.
Nope it survived in the one small speck that wasn't visible the spectator even switched to terran view for a second to see how it was possible.
Also I don't get why Tester didn't just FF the terran army off when he got caught there. Could have easily let his army escape. The only problem was that charge was actually working against him, all his zealots charged in and melted while he was trying to run his army away. Still, with just 3 FFs he could have cut the whole terran army off. Weird brainfreezes :/
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On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units.
and game 1 showed that...not
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On November 21 2010 12:31 pileopoop wrote:
Is SlayersBoxer playing?
out since yesterday, by Kyrix (the yellow zerg here)
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On November 21 2010 12:31 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units. and game 1 showed that...not
Tester was on 2 base aswell.
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One base muta for both players? hmmm... Is this common in the higher levels?
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On November 21 2010 12:30 wintergt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:26 McDonalds wrote:On November 21 2010 12:21 wintergt wrote:On November 21 2010 12:15 frucisky wrote:
What's that bout FoxeR not being able to transition or macro? Hmmm?
Anyway, Tester seems to love his DTs. He got them against Genius and almost lost. Isn't DTs a very bad idea against terran cuz they have so many detection options? :S The DTs did close to nothing this game.. One DT killed the SCV building the CC at the gold (and the DT survived there even when the army came over and scanned, hiding at the extreme south), and another DT cleared out all the SCVs at the main (several ran away) including all the ones mining gas so I'd say they did pretty well. On November 21 2010 12:15 Gezz wrote:On November 21 2010 12:12 Toriko wrote:
=( nooo... too bad tester got caught in a bad position and lost to an A-move!! oh well, we'll have to see what the future holds for us poor protoss users. Lol... a-move, foxer spread reallly well against the storms and landed some key EMP's. If anyone should be accused of a-moving it's tester. Yep. Woulda been great to see this play out if tester hadn't stupidly thrown it away through bad positioning. HTs were out but Foxer was microing pretty well for it, even putting the ghosts in a medivac to avoid getting feedbacked, spreading his army out etc. Coulda been quite a game still. Didn't he get that DT? It moved to the extreme south but MK's army followed it I thought. Anyway, the first two games were nothing special but the last told us a lot about both players I think. Tester obviously deserves to be on the stage, but he wasn't the better player today. Nope it survived in the one small speck that wasn't visible the spectator even switched to terran view for a second to see how it was possible.
Ha ok, in that case he took his army to that spot and then realized he couldn't see it and just turned back. I remember the units going all the way down there but I didn't see any shots go off.
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Man, zvz just seems so random to me
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On November 21 2010 12:32 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:31 MrCon wrote:On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units. and game 1 showed that...not Tester was on 2 base aswell.
doesn't matter in this argument, he says that tester can't punish a 1 rax fe with a 4 gate, that was proved wrong, the fact that tester was able to expand while killing foxer is showing this even more strongly.
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wasn't this played yesterday?
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On November 21 2010 12:37 backtoback wrote:
wasn't this played yesterday?
no it's live
Nice ZvZ imo.
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On November 21 2010 12:30 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Mmm Carefoot's stream is amazing.
If by amazing you mean not even showing this live event then yeah!
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Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING
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Carefoot is streaming yesterdays match
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Lol, look how terrible Hydra are. Cost 2x as much, still lose to roaches, AFTER they take a fungal.
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hydralisk seems to be a bad investment.
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On November 21 2010 12:40 Fa1nT wrote:
Lol, look how terrible Hydra are. Cost 2x as much, still lose to roaches, AFTER they take a fungal.
but....but they're decent on creep!!
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Is it me or does:
Roach >>> Lings/Banes/Hydras
ZvZ is gonna be become so one dimensional. MASS ROACH
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Hydras are only good with a critical mass. So they never work against aggro players.
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Build Hydra vs any race = insta lose
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sick game, every non-hive zerg unit used
and hydras are only a bad investment without roach backup. they need the roaches to tank in front, but thewind didn't know kyrix's exact unit composition, i guess he was guessing at more air since kyrix got a corruptor.
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why tech when you can just roaaaach all the way.
At least they played a non banelingfest 8mins game.
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I thought Kyrix was dead to that push with Roach/Hydra/Infestor, especially after getting Fungal Growthed in such a horrible position, but pure numbers managed to carry him through. Good game.
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On November 21 2010 12:41 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is gonna be become so one dimensional. MASS ROACH
It already is. When one player deviates to Mutalisk play, the other guy would just mix in Infestors to nullify the Muta threat.
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Kyrix without Banelings?!
Madness.
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On November 21 2010 12:35 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:32 Daray wrote:On November 21 2010 12:31 MrCon wrote:On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units. and game 1 showed that...not Tester was on 2 base aswell. doesn't matter in this argument, he says that tester can't punish a 1 rax fe with a 4 gate, that was proved wrong, the fact that tester was able to expand while killing foxer is showing this even more strongly.
proxy pylon in the platform behind his nat and he didn't even have stim in time because he saw that tester was expanding. Not everything is black and white.
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On November 21 2010 12:39 Durp wrote:
Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING
Macro is the ability to create units, and kyrix clearly had more.
Kyrix PURPOSEFULLY didn't spread creep because he was going roaches and the wind was going hydra(w/queens and other stuff), and creep spread favors hydras more than anything.
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That was a Good ZvZ, actually interesting to watch.
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On November 21 2010 12:39 Durp wrote:
Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING
I'm no ZvZ expert, but isn't it widely considered a bad thing to spread creep in that match up? (obviously not connecting the nat and main is a mistake though, maybe just didnt waste the money on an extra queen?).
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LOL I go to post and everyone has said it as well-
Hydralisk < Roach
Even while fungal growth'ed, and on creep, hydras lose to roaches.
Tier 1.5 dominates tier 2? God I hate the roach lol
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Rofl, you guys are so wrong. Infestor hydra completely rapes roach, especially with the hydra range upgrade. Hydras have one more range than roaches so 10 hydras and 3 infestors can take out 20 roaches. The problem with this game was that kyrix was constantly reinforcing instead of just having a few battles. This wore down the numbers and made fungal growth less effective.
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On November 21 2010 12:41 Highways wrote:
Is it me or does:
Roach >>> Lings/Banes/Hydras
ZvZ is gonna be become so one dimensional. MASS ROACH
It seems sort of like zerg play is going back to the way it was during the beta. Lots of nydusing into the opponent's base, etc.
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On November 21 2010 12:38 MrCon wrote:no it's live Nice ZvZ imo.
no.... on carefoots stream, it is showing boxer vs kyrix. He + Show Spoiler +
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Game 2: Scrap Station
Kyrix (yellow) @ 12"
TheWind (red) @ 2"
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On November 21 2010 12:41 Highways wrote:
Is it me or does:
Roach >>> Lings/Banes/Hydras
ZvZ is gonna be become so one dimensional. MASS ROACH
mostly, ling openers beat roach openers early-game. plus you can't forget muta in the equation, which force you into lings, plus infestors are always awesome. plus hydras are great once armies get big and fungal is in play. zvz definitely isn't a one-dimensional mu atm.
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On November 21 2010 12:43 Durp wrote:
LOL I go to post and everyone has said it as well-
Hydralisk < Roach
Even while fungal growth'ed, and on creep, hydras lose to roaches.
Tier 1.5 dominates tier 2? God I hate the roach lol
It's not that roaches are super strong, it's Hydra has no health for a 50 gas unit. DPS is not a good trade off in SC2 for being squishy, you need TIME ATTACKING to make the DPS matter.
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hydras are good. They rape mutas
They also do a lot of dps but they need roaches to tank.
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On November 21 2010 12:43 Kraz.Del wrote:
Rofl, you guys are so wrong. Infestor hydra completely rapes roach, especially with the hydra range upgrade. Hydras have one more range than roaches so 10 hydras and 3 infestors can take out 20 roaches. The problem with this game was that kyrix was constantly reinforcing instead of just having a few battles. This wore down the numbers and made fungal growth less effective.
I think it was too early in the game also for hydra/infestor to be fully effective. Thewind needed more infestors.
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On November 21 2010 12:43 Gezz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:39 Durp wrote:
Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING I'm no ZvZ expert, but isn't it widely considered a bad thing to spread creep in that match up? (obviously not connecting the nat and main is a mistake though, maybe just didnt waste the money on an extra queen?).
no, it's good. gives you vision and makes your army movement that much smoother. especiall when you've got infestors/hydras.
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On November 21 2010 12:43 Durp wrote:
LOL I go to post and everyone has said it as well-
Hydralisk < Roach
Even while fungal growth'ed, and on creep, hydras lose to roaches.
Tier 1.5 dominates tier 2? God I hate the roach lol
If the roaches are fungled Hydra will shoot them and Roach can't fire back due to range
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On November 21 2010 12:43 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:39 Durp wrote:
Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING Macro is the ability to create units, and kyrix clearly had more. Kyrix PURPOSEFULLY didn't spread creep because he was going roaches and the wind was going hydra(w/queens and other stuff), and creep spread favors hydras more than anything.
I really don't think that was clear- hydralisks cost twice as much as roaches, and are easier to produce. Given the similar numbers of roaches to hydras (when they first engaged, and there were infestors for theWind) it seems even more obvious he macro'ed better.
Kept an equal army of more expensive/higher tech units, better creep spread, faster expo saturation- I was under the impression that defined macro...
And not spreading creep across map is one thing. Not even connecting your mains so your queens can transfer, that's another.
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Hydralisk-Infestor timing push gets countered easily by mass zerglings. You can't fungal growth wave after wave of ling-roach armies. You'd run out of energy pretty fast.
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On November 21 2010 12:42 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:35 MrCon wrote:On November 21 2010 12:32 Daray wrote:On November 21 2010 12:31 MrCon wrote:On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units. and game 1 showed that...not Tester was on 2 base aswell. doesn't matter in this argument, he says that tester can't punish a 1 rax fe with a 4 gate, that was proved wrong, the fact that tester was able to expand while killing foxer is showing this even more strongly. proxy pylon in the platform behind his nat and he didn't even have stim in time because he saw that tester was expanding. Not everything is black and white.
oh but I agree with you on that
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i don't get it! Is he restreaming kyrix vs boxer or the new games? I am so confused!
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Well, the difference is that roaches are cost effective and are easier to micro than the other unit compositions. With 1 armor and an insane amount of health, they are perhaps the most bizarre zerg unit.
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lol Korean commercials are hilarious
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On November 21 2010 12:45 EpiK-J wrote:
hydras are good. They rape mutas
They also do a lot of dps but they need roaches to tank.
He did use roach+hydra after his first attack failed but still got beaten by the just roaches. Kyrix just stutter stepped his roached into the roach-hydra army and with their range 4 they win anyway. Atleast here.
On November 21 2010 12:48 backtoback wrote:
i don't get it! Is he restreaming kyrix vs boxer or the new games? I am so confused!
Use this...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/datyoman
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On November 21 2010 12:35 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:32 Daray wrote:On November 21 2010 12:31 MrCon wrote:On November 21 2010 12:28 The.Imperator wrote:
I just find it so freaking annoying that if Protoss would of done 4 gate vs terran 1 rax FE and only been able to trade even with army loses then P would get owned so badly... but terran will only be in a very very slight disadvantage because rax units r much more cost efficient than those crap gateway units. and game 1 showed that...not Tester was on 2 base aswell. doesn't matter in this argument, he says that tester can't punish a 1 rax fe with a 4 gate, that was proved wrong, the fact that tester was able to expand while killing foxer is showing this even more strongly.
I don't see how game 1 has anything to do with what I said. In that game both went for FE , Foxer didn't scout the proxy pylon in the most obvious place ever and therefore he was not prepared for it at all and got totally owned.
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On November 21 2010 12:46 Durp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:43 happyness wrote:On November 21 2010 12:39 Durp wrote:
Wow, looking at these two plays, it's clear that the Wind's macro is at a higher level. His creep is pushing across the map, and Kyrix hasn't even connected his nat to his main.
OGS HWAITING Macro is the ability to create units, and kyrix clearly had more. Kyrix PURPOSEFULLY didn't spread creep because he was going roaches and the wind was going hydra(w/queens and other stuff), and creep spread favors hydras more than anything. I really don't think that was clear- hydralisks cost twice as much as roaches, and are easier to produce. Given the similar numbers of roaches to hydras (when they first engaged, and there were infestors for theWind) it seems even more obvious he macro'ed better. Kept an equal army of more expensive/higher tech units, better creep spread, faster expo saturation- I was under the impression that defined macro...
He was at a higher tech but he had less units. I guess I would have to look at the game but I think their macro is pretty comprable to each other's.
My point was that Kyrix didnt creep spread because it wouldnt have been advantageous for him.
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Oh man i need to stop betting against foxer and kyrix
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Foxer vs Kyrix rematch coming!
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woo hoo foxer vs kyrix rematch for finals.
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Woo Banelings.
Kyrix vs Foxer too, woooo.
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Holy hell! Foxer vs Kyrix round 2!!!
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im so excited. glad i picked kyrix to win in the bracket challenge =)
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kyrix vs foxer rematch ?
just arrived from party can someone tell me if the foxer's games r worth watching ?
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ohh yeah, exciting final. Kyrix vs Foxer.
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wow that crowd is really big
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turns out Kyrix is pretty good at ZvZ as well
reeeeematch in a few hours - so awesome
too bad 3 guys screaming their heads off is only about 1/2 as appealing as lady announcer + 2 guys
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Looks like we have Tester vs TheWind for third place match.
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Wow look at all that aggression. Never letting TheWind stop to breathe.
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Man ZvZ is by far the worst matchup to watch..
what a crapshoot
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whens the finals?
hours relative to this posts would be much appreciated.
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Alright, I am gonna stay up for this.
Kyrix v.s. Foxer!
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On November 21 2010 12:51 noD wrote:
kyrix vs foxer rematch ?
just arrived from party can someone tell me if the foxer's games r worth watching ?
The 3rd game is. The first two are cheese games
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Kyrix vs Foxer rematch! How awesome!
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God damn it thank you kyrix for killing the wind, you are so awesome!
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Ok guys, bold predictions for finals:
+ Show Spoiler +FoxeR goes marines, Kryix goes banelings.
Discuss.
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On November 21 2010 12:53 EpiK-J wrote:
whens the finals?
hours relative to this posts would be much appreciated.
in about 3 hours
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So are the finals at 16:00 KST or 17:30 KST?
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On November 21 2010 12:54 Cel.erity wrote:Ok guys, bold predictions for finals: + Show Spoiler +FoxeR goes marines, Kryix goes banelings. Discuss.
I think this is quite possible ...
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Lack of protoss is depressing. Oh well, at least we might get to see some amazing marine micro.
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Honestly, Kyrix vT is fun to watch, but I really feel he sucks the life out of the ZvZ match up. I love watching late game zerg vs zerg, it gets so dynamic and creative (re: Sen V IdrA believe from the beta?). You see so much more creativity when you get to late tech, but seeing nonstop zerglings and banelings- while exciting for a while- makes me feel like I never got to see the true potential of the games.
That being said, I'm so stoked for FoxeR Kyrix rematch- this will be very entertaining.
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On November 21 2010 12:54 Cel.erity wrote:Ok guys, bold predictions for finals: + Show Spoiler +FoxeR goes marines, Kryix goes banelings. Discuss.
Hmm, you may be onto something.
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God damn I wanted to see the finals >/ But it will be 6am here
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The OP says 3 AM EST, which is in 4 hours though..
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Now the question is, is the finals a Bo3, 5 or 7? Hopefully 7. I'm looking forward to this rematch.
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On November 21 2010 12:58 Slardarxt wrote:
Now the question is, is the finals a Bo3, 5 or 7? Hopefully 7. I'm looking forward to this rematch.
I sure hope it isn't bo3. Seems like theyre not taking these matches too seriously
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On November 21 2010 12:58 Slardarxt wrote:
Now the question is, is the finals a Bo3, 5 or 7? Hopefully 7. I'm looking forward to this rematch.
Well, I doubt it will be best of seven if the rest were best of three. They have to play the third place matches too I guess.
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Anyone knows the prize distribution ?
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On November 21 2010 12:54 Cel.erity wrote:Ok guys, bold predictions for finals: + Show Spoiler +FoxeR goes marines, Kryix goes banelings. Discuss.
Marines and banelings die together. The end.
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On November 21 2010 13:00 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:58 Slardarxt wrote:
Now the question is, is the finals a Bo3, 5 or 7? Hopefully 7. I'm looking forward to this rematch. I sure hope it isn't bo3. Seems like theyre not taking these matches too seriously
PlayXP and Gosugamers have both matches as bo3.
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Here is my prediction:
Foxer will make marauders and marines and roll over kyrix
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On November 21 2010 12:55 Durp wrote:
Honestly, Kyrix vT is fun to watch, but I really feel he sucks the life out of the ZvZ match up. I love watching late game zerg vs zerg, it gets so dynamic and creative (re: Sen V IdrA believe from the beta?). You see so much more creativity when you get to late tech, but seeing nonstop zerglings and banelings- while exciting for a while- makes me feel like I never got to see the true potential of the games.
That being said, I'm so stoked for FoxeR Kyrix rematch- this will be very entertaining.
I think this is "let us dont attack and when we ready we go at it" mentality.
It is good that we have such different players, they have to come up with stuff to counter each other!!! And obviously some have more skill in certain areas.
I think it's impressive how Kyrix can be so aggressive and keep track on his eco at the same time without a break It really raises the bar for all other players, they are forced into do the same!
I <3 SC2! Even though I just watching lol!
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On November 21 2010 13:00 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 12:58 Slardarxt wrote:
Now the question is, is the finals a Bo3, 5 or 7? Hopefully 7. I'm looking forward to this rematch. I sure hope it isn't bo3. Seems like theyre not taking these matches too seriously
They're only having the tournament because of the trade show in Busan, yeah. I don't agree with the idea of it not counting or just being a series of showmatches though. Especially with there being that kind of money on the line. It's a special tournament but still a tournament.
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OP, fix your times, its 1:30 EST and 2:30 EST
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Bo3
Bracing for disappointment.
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If they play a 25+min long match Im more than happy with this championship. I want to see foxer on a macro war
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damn!!!!!
if u guys need something to do ufc 125 is airing now !!!!!!! xD
(ok out of topic but helps while the game doesnt start)
also what is the pool prize for 1st and 2nd ?
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On November 21 2010 12:55 Durp wrote:
Honestly, Kyrix vT is fun to watch, but I really feel he sucks the life out of the ZvZ match up. I love watching late game zerg vs zerg, it gets so dynamic and creative (re: Sen V IdrA believe from the beta?). You see so much more creativity when you get to late tech, but seeing nonstop zerglings and banelings- while exciting for a while- makes me feel like I never got to see the true potential of the games.
its next to impossible to have a game like that on non-FE maps.
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Foxer vs Kyrix is gonna be amazing
Foxer is gonna make moar marines
Kyrix is gonna make moar banelings.
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On November 21 2010 13:06 dambros wrote:
If they play a 25+min long match Im more than happy with this championship. I want to see foxer on a macro war
He showed hopetorture that his macro is on par with his micro
He can macro when macro is needed, but with kyrix vs foxer I don't think we'll see a NR20 game...
And the kind of constant aggression that foxer display require a way better macro than so called macro games, because you have very little time to macro so you have to macro very well to support your aggression.
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On November 21 2010 13:05 Truefire wrote:
OP, fix your times, its 1:30 EST and 2:30 EST
I get the time from PlayXP, its 3:30 PM KST and 4:30 PM KST
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On November 21 2010 13:09 xza wrote:
Foxer vs Kyrix is gonna be amazing
Foxer is gonna make moar marines
Kyrix is gonna make moar banelings.
Nexus war incoming.
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On November 21 2010 13:06 dambros wrote:
If they play a 25+min long match Im more than happy with this championship. I want to see foxer on a macro war
Both players have extremely aggressive style. Hopefully it'll get to late game but don't count too much on it
Either way its going to be gruesome.
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On November 21 2010 13:10 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 13:05 Truefire wrote:
OP, fix your times, its 1:30 EST and 2:30 EST I get the time from PlayXP, its 3:30 PM KST and 4:30 PM KST
i think he meant your est times
this is easily solved by using the [date] tags though, for example [date]nov 22 3:30pm kst[/date] turns into Monday, Nov 22 6:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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They can easily play for 25 mins with marines and bailings!!!
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I want to see ultras vs mech >/
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On November 21 2010 13:10 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 13:05 Truefire wrote:
OP, fix your times, its 1:30 EST and 2:30 EST I get the time from PlayXP, its 3:30 PM KST and 4:30 PM KST
3:30 KST is 1:30 EST and 4:30 KST is 2:30 EST
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On November 21 2010 13:17 Truefire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 13:10 yypisces wrote:On November 21 2010 13:05 Truefire wrote:
OP, fix your times, its 1:30 EST and 2:30 EST I get the time from PlayXP, its 3:30 PM KST and 4:30 PM KST 3:30 KST is 1:30 EST and 4:30 KST is 2:30 EST
fixed o_O thanks
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I spoil things also, but you there is no point in having spoilers if you put the 3rd place thing there.
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On November 21 2010 13:13 dambros wrote:
I want to see ultras vs mech >/
So long since i have seen a ultralisk. TvZ has changed so much lately.
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On November 21 2010 13:10 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 13:06 dambros wrote:
If they play a 25+min long match Im more than happy with this championship. I want to see foxer on a macro war He showed hopetorture that his macro is on par with his micro He can macro when macro is needed, but with kyrix vs foxer I don't think we'll see a NR20 game... And the kind of constant aggression that foxer display require a way better macro than so called macro games, because you have very little time to macro so you have to macro very well to support your aggression.
Exactly. That's where Foxer imba. He can constantly attack his opponents while managing the economy required for producing the units. Most players, even they are good at macro, can not keep up with Foxer's pace since there is too much pressure. Foxer simply won't allow them to sit down and macro.
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So it's only going to be a bo3? T.T
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On November 21 2010 12:54 Cel.erity wrote:Ok guys, bold predictions for finals: + Show Spoiler +FoxeR goes marines, Kryix goes banelings. Discuss.
Their playstyles have both evolved actually. I think we'll see more marauder walls against banelings from FoxeR and we might see Kyrix getting more roaches. Depends on the map really. But they're both definitely capable of repeating the best GSL series ever.
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Well they meet again. Last time they met, which was GSL 2 RO8. Kyrix barely made it to the booth just before he could be disqualified, for whatever reason, and had no makeup on (tasteless said thats a nerd without makeup, lol?), so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. This time he has no excuse if he shows up on time
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On November 21 2010 13:57 powerdawg96 wrote:
testeless
lol Intentional or Freudian slip?
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what? i did remember tasteless said that, which was quite funny
@ set1, ~16:02
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kyrix really should have win v foxer in their first game, this is gonna be awesome.
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On November 21 2010 14:05 powerdawg96 wrote:
what? i did remember tasteless said that, which was quite funny
@ set1, ~16:02
I think he's loling at your typo
+ Show Spoiler +
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oh heh i see let me fix those
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I missed the matches at 9:30
Any VODs??
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ufc had the worst decision ever, so I guess I will sleep or I can be double upset
vods are in sc2rep.com ... or should be soon
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Is it wrong that I am wayyyyyyy more excited for the 3rd place match than the finals?
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On November 21 2010 14:49 noD wrote:
ufc had the worst decision ever, so I guess I will sleep or I can be double upset
vods are in sc2rep.com ... or should be soon
I heard about that, saw rampage say something really classy by telling the other guy he won. Dont know anything about the fight except that he said that after winning. Classy and humble thing to see. Feels bad to hear the decision sucked.
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Calendar shows that the finals will begin in 30 minutes. Is this correct or a mistake?
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On November 21 2010 15:24 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Calendar shows that the finals will begin in 30 minutes. Is this correct or a mistake?
match for 3rd place will occur first, then finals
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both of them are turtling. so boring.
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On November 21 2010 15:43 hallx wrote:
both of them are turtling. so boring.
Oh really?
Easy Nydus win by TheWind, once again Tester gets punished for using a risky build.
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uh, did times change? i got here 30 mins early for the 4pm KST start to semi finals, only to find one of the matches completely over??
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well that was not very fun to watch. poor tester
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Fuck, Tester disappointing. Didn't scout properly. FUUUU
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On November 21 2010 15:43 hallx wrote:
both of them are turtling. so boring.
LOL, pretty cute how the game ended just after this post.
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On November 21 2010 15:44 FuRong wrote:Oh really? Easy Nydus win by TheWind, once again Tester gets punished for using a risky build.
I was cheering for Tester due to his fight vs Foxer. First time saw him in action. But I hate turtling. Nydus won me over. GG TheWind.
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nvm i dont know why it lags when streaming. sorry
edit again: i'll try again during finals
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God, why is Tester always playing these super risky builds.
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Damn, Tester better check cheesy stuff, even if he deals with cheese pretty good.
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arggg I stay up all night for this and still miss first game ><
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On November 21 2010 15:47 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
God, why is Tester always playing these super risky builds.
Not sure, but it's probably part of the reason why he has trouble with GSL qualifiers
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Don't pros put pylons/depots around their base to get vision?
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On November 21 2010 15:47 MrCon wrote:
arggg I stay up all night for this and still miss first game ><
yeah .. sucks I tuned into the gg. I hope somebody records his cast so I can watch it later.
Well there are the chinese sites too. but they are soooo slow.
Anyways OGS fighting
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I don't think it's the problem with the build. Well, if it is, only partly. He didn't realize that there's a nydus.
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On November 21 2010 15:45 kirkybaby wrote:
uh, did times change? i got here 30 mins early for the 4pm KST start to semi finals, only to find one of the matches completely over??
The actual finals don't start until 4pm KST but the 3rd place match is going on now.
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Well, this is a great answer for Nydus from TheWind. You like doing that kinda stuff? Well, get one from a Protoosss.
Tester FIGHTING!
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On November 21 2010 15:50 MouseyPounds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 15:45 kirkybaby wrote:
uh, did times change? i got here 30 mins early for the 4pm KST start to semi finals, only to find one of the matches completely over?? The actual finals don't start until 4pm KST but the 3rd place match is going on now.
Actually, at the beginning of the cast they said the finals start at 4:30 KST, so you might have to wait for a bit after this next game finishes.
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Sooo... two terrible games down, one to go.
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Does anyone have an idea of the prize distribution ? top4 paid ? top8 ? top2 ? top1 ? :o
I guess it's something like 6k-4k-2k-1k or something like that ?
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anyone else wanna bend the chinese guy over and show him who is boss?
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On November 21 2010 15:55 ShadezOwnage wrote:
anyone else wanna bend the chinese guy over and show him who is boss?
Hahahaha
He indeed has this funny and completely unpredictable moments and tones :D
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tester teching to stargate again, Wind going for Nydus again.
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Again a Nydus. Fuck TheWind!
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Ok TheWind... its obvious that the Nydus isnt working :<
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i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL
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On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL
He probably can't beat Tester straight up so he attempts all these builds.
A lot of people cheese/all-in Tester, remember GSL1? He got cheesed almost every game except his games against Rainbow
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Wow, that nydus action was the most embarrassing and idiotic decision that I have ever seen. Putting nydus worms in vision only works against <Gold players, and even gold level players won't waste 400/400 on that many nyduses...
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great play by tester in both games 2 and 3.
i've been getting vr'd a lot on the korean ladder but tester was more effective with just two than most my opponents are with 4. impressive stuff. as much as i love zerg, it's great to see an awesome toss come out on top in a tough matchup!
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TheWind shamelessly wanted two easy wins. I mean, come on, every time he spawned very far from Tester, he could have played a macro game.
I guess he isn't confident playing macro, when facing Tester.
Congrats Tester, but it's 3rd place ;(
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That was cringe-worthy play from both sides.
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On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL
how is the prize pool split?
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On November 21 2010 16:02 netherDrake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL He probably can't beat Tester straight up so he attempts all these builds. A lot of people cheese/all-in Tester, remember GSL1? He got cheesed almost every game except his games against Rainbow
Well to be fair tester has played pretty cheesy in all his wins. Plus, all-ining tester is a good idea because he cuts so many corners with his builds that they aren't at all stable for the most part.
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On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides.
Tester couldn't do much about it, could he?
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Did tester scout the nydus or was he waiting for it from the get go? I mean you're not going to nydus into his base when he has full vision and is waiting for it to pop :D
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On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides.
You definitely embody the spirit of your ID.
I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play
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On November 21 2010 16:02 netherDrake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL He probably can't beat Tester straight up so he attempts all these builds. A lot of people cheese/all-in Tester, remember GSL1? He got cheesed almost every game except his games against Rainbow
:O
well if noone can beat tester with cheese but he loses a straight up series i would draw entirely opposite conclusion.
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On November 21 2010 16:05 Daray wrote:
Did tester scout the nydus or was he waiting for it from the get go? I mean you're not going to nydus into his base when he has full vision and is waiting for it to pop :D
Nydus killed him in game 1 when he FE'd, so he was on the lookout.
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On November 21 2010 16:05 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:02 netherDrake wrote:On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL He probably can't beat Tester straight up so he attempts all these builds. A lot of people cheese/all-in Tester, remember GSL1? He got cheesed almost every game except his games against Rainbow :O well if noone can beat tester with cheese but he loses a straight up series i would draw entirely opposite conclusion.
He does lose straight up sometimes because of odd decision making, but I see him get cheesed much more than any other toss player.
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On November 21 2010 16:05 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:02 netherDrake wrote:On November 21 2010 16:01 Antoine wrote:
i'm hoping the reason these games were so awful is because thewind doesn't want to give any strats away right before GSL He probably can't beat Tester straight up so he attempts all these builds. A lot of people cheese/all-in Tester, remember GSL1? He got cheesed almost every game except his games against Rainbow :O well if noone can beat tester with cheese but he loses a straight up series i would draw entirely opposite conclusion.
lol... The line of reasoning that some people use to suit their arguments really makes me laugh sometimes. Allow me to say "touche" for him.
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On November 21 2010 16:05 Cade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides. You definitely embody the spirit of your ID. I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play
Really? I think that's one of the best zerg maps out there. Long rush distance and destructible rocks at the natural.
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On November 21 2010 16:08 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:05 Cade wrote:On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides. You definitely embody the spirit of your ID. I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play Really? I think that's one of the best zerg maps out there. Long rush distance and destructible rocks at the natural.
nah its one of the maps zerg prefer to skip
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And Again, are you trying to say zergs normally have a hard time taking their second base?
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wow did anyone see that commercial with hyun-ju (female gomtv caster)... all i can say is.. WOW. man she looked good.
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sigh, can't watch the direct stream. Lags too much. Guess it is a re-stream.
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I'm going with the majority here, TheWind didn't think he could beat Tester in a macro game so he went for something cheesy. Fair enough, I probably would too. It was super unfortunate we didn't get to see Tester's PvZ, I want to see what he has been doing. The 4 gate was definitely funny though
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Funny - wasn't IdrA talking about how good Tester is against Nydus Worms on SotG like, two weeks ago? Guess we got to see some of that in action.
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On November 21 2010 16:08 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:05 Cade wrote:On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides. You definitely embody the spirit of your ID. I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play Really? I think that's one of the best zerg maps out there. Long rush distance and destructible rocks at the natural.
It's bad because it give the Toss a very easy FE while it's very hard for Zerg to secure a 3rd base.
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Anyway, guys, are there any VODs of the semifinal matches? Fucking missed it
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7RR would have worked better than nydus imho, but i am nublet. i'm speaking strictly about jungle basin match,
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Did the 3rd place games already happen? since according to TL calander the games started 10 minutes ago :\
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On November 21 2010 16:15 kilgr20 wrote:
Did the 3rd place games already happen? since according to TL calander the games started 10 minutes ago :\
you didn't miss much
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yes 3rd place is done, finals starting soon, casters are talking
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Yeah the calendar is apparently 1 hour late, goodie.
Well I just wanted to see marineking anyway.
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On November 21 2010 16:13 kirkybaby wrote:
7RR would have worked better than nydus imho, but i am nublet. i'm speaking strictly about jungle basin match,
Well after he saw the stalkers on the sides and well placed pylons so tester had full vision of his base he should've just winged it and not be so stubborn. I've gotten a feeling that most koreans are terrible at improvising and stick to their set strategy until the bitter end.
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On November 21 2010 16:10 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:08 AndAgain wrote:On November 21 2010 16:05 Cade wrote:On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides. You definitely embody the spirit of your ID. I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play Really? I think that's one of the best zerg maps out there. Long rush distance and destructible rocks at the natural. It's bad because it give the Toss a very easy FE while it's very hard for Zerg to secure a 3rd base.
May be against terran, but not against protoss. It's actually protoss that gets stuck on 2 bases on this map.
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Who won in the 3rd place game?
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hope this finals is a BO5
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the quality of the official stream (opened with GOM player) is surprisingly awesome. mb cuz I live in the Asia
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yeah i think it's 720p within asia/korea or wherever they allow access from
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On November 21 2010 16:05 Cade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:03 Asshat wrote:
That was cringe-worthy play from both sides. You definitely embody the spirit of your ID. I thought they were pretty decent games, Jungle Basin is a difficult map for ZvP so I can understand why TheWind did the Nydus play
The first game nydus did good because it was on an appropriate map to do so coupled with the risky build that the protoss was going with, which was a little lucky because it allowed him to win the game right there instead of just doing some damage.
But it was just a poor idea on jungle basin, first of all a cheesy tactic was somewhat expected exactly because of jungle basin being a terrible zvp map, then the fact that he had tried the same strategy 2 games ago, plus the base being much smaller in jungle basin than in lost temple to the extent of it being almost impossible to sneak in a nydus inside vs an alert opponent, because virtually all of the terrain was in sight. A very low chance of that working, and he went all-in on it.
And there isn't much to say about the second game, pretty dull other than reinforcing the thought that a simple 4gate all-in can still work at the highest level of play.
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On November 21 2010 16:10 Raine wrote:
I'm going with the majority here, TheWind didn't think he could beat Tester in a macro game so he went for something cheesy. Fair enough, I probably would too. It was super unfortunate we didn't get to see Tester's PvZ, I want to see what he has been doing. The 4 gate was definitely funny though
I thought both went cheese. Tester with forge, cannon and teching to stargate. TheWind with Nydus. I would call Nydus a reaction to forge, cannon teching.
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uhh foxer built a refinery.. wtf?
mind. blown.
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dudeee foxer's wearing APM technology headphonesssasss
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nooooo Foxer what are you doing playing passive and making tanks
and just realized Kyrix has made no banelings (nm it just took him a while)
who would have expected this in G1
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i love stream director's thought process:
if lull_in_action then cut_to_random_foreigner
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At what point do we get to declare Foxer and Kyrix rivals?
Definitely their respective styles make for great games to watch..
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Man, Foxer is playing like a different person this game.
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Did you guys see that? Stim finished right when baneling speed did.
How did they freaking do that?
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absolute shit macro from foxer. How the hell do you stay on 3 rax for that long?
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Foxer's lost this, Kyrix on 4 bases. Taking down the gold isn't enough.
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GG very poorly played by foxer
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hope this is the last time we see Foxer play passive
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Fucking Zergs, QQing even if they are winning every fucking single tournament. I am about to go rage mode.
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You're the man Kyrix! Show that Terran who's boss.
But agreed.. that wasn't the normal Foxer aggression..
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Who is this Kyrix guy? Is he from BW or new on the scene? How has he done in GSLs?
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I can't believe Kyrxx attacked the tanks with banes at that choke but he still managed to break even.
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yeah one trick pony foxer should stick to his one trick, otherwise he looks like gold level terran player holed up in a corner on two bases with sickly banshee failrass
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is this a bo3 for real? finals right?
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bad game from foxer, getting supply blocked twice, staying on 2 rax for an eternity, letting kyrix mass expand...first time I see him play "bad".
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I was expecting Kyrix to tech to tier3 and roflstomp Boxer lol
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this is why T has to go 2 rax.. else it would turn out like game 1 everytime
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Well, whoever was calling for a macro game got their wish. Foxer stayed on two bases for way too long and just let Kyrix macro up a huge army. His push was good but it was never going to be enough with the speed that Kyrix could mass reinforcements.
My prediction is that Foxer goes back to two rax aggression in the second game.
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On November 21 2010 16:34 Devolved wrote:
Who is this Kyrix guy? Is he from BW or new on the scene? How has he done in GSLs?
no idea on older history but he did pretty well in GSL2. played some aggressive games iirc
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Oh my god. Kyrix is a BEAST. His playstyle just blows my mind. The Swarm !!!!!
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I think its the game more than anything making TvZ like a one-trick pony >.<
Anyway that new korean commentator guy really has the energy. Wish I could understand what they're saying
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Wow. Kyrix just straight up outplayed foxer.
First time I've seen foxer go banshees too.
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Foxer was on 3 rax. And this is why terrans don't play a macro game vs zerg. It's not pretty.
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When you play vs zerg you will always look bad because he will double or triple your base, production and economy.
Also lol @ tanks, did blizzard just intend for them to make TvT a nightmare and nothing else?
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On November 21 2010 16:34 Devolved wrote:
Who is this Kyrix guy? Is he from BW or new on the scene? How has he done in GSLs?
Round of 8 in the last GSL. Got beat by Foxer in an Epic best of 5.
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On November 21 2010 16:20 Arceus wrote:
the quality of the official stream (opened with GOM player) is surprisingly awesome. mb cuz I live in the Asia
got a url link that I can input into the gom player?
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On November 21 2010 16:35 nat wrote:
this is why T has to go 2 rax.. else it would turn out like game 1 everytime
Foxer would have won that easily if he made more than 3 rax for the first 140 supply. He had 1200 in SC2 when he was attacking. Thats inexcusable with reactors and being able to mass rax.
That game to me didnt show any type of imbalance at all and Im a terran player. His macro was just fucking bad. He got a lot of units initially but didnt invest in any sort of barracks support to replenish his army. He shouldve had like 6-7 rax reactor by that time and he had 2 reactors and a tech lab. -_-
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I think he's going to 2port banshee this game.
or maybe thordrop
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Foxer cant macro well lol.
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update to devolved, he made to ro8 in GSL2 but lost to foxer, so this is rematch
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Foxer's gonna go Thor drop 100% sure
edit: lol ^^
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SOUND THE ALARM!! THOR DROP INCOMING
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THOR DROP COMING... BUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT HUHH???
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man kyrix likes that fast lair, holy moly
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thor drop repelled by all dones/lings/mutas popping at last second
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On November 21 2010 16:39 kirkybaby wrote:
man kyrix likes that fast lair, holy moly
It's like a must in LT if u are 2 bases versus a drop on the hill!
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On November 21 2010 16:41 kirkybaby wrote:
thor drop repelled by all dones/lings/mutas popping at last second
Drones and lings cant hit:d
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Good decision by Kyrix getting the lair before the expo.
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now foxer is marching two thors and rines right up to kyrix.. light medivac presence too, should be interesting. kyrix on two base w/ just a few mutas and lings
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Horrible control by foxer omg. what's happening to him ):
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push repelled by kyrix and nat opening, counter attack incoming? stranded thor in the midfield.
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foxer still on one base, btw.
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SCVs and marines in front of the thors, which just die alone.
High level play here.
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The result of the encounter is zerg favored even i think. Terran lost 7 scvs 1 thor, zerg has lost 10 lings a few drones
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It doesn't look like he's very well-practised with this strat He's playing thor marine scv like marine scv, using scvs to block instead of surrounding the thor all the time
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roaches inbound following muta/ling counter attack, looks like gg and end of foxer. he will probably be kicked off of prime for this.
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I dont get it. This doesn't seem like the same Foxer that I saw in the GSL.
Also look at Kyrix's wide grin haha.
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watching these games its hard to believe foxer is in the finals and was one game away from winning 80k -_-
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did foxer get paid to throw the match? he is like TOTALLY off his game
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omgomg foxer barely holds push of roaches with all scvs repairing last thor. still 1 base foxer vs 2 kyrix.
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That was so omg close!!!!
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AND AGAIN SECOND PUSH REPELLED BY THORS/SCV repair, can he hold on tough??
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Foxer pushes (all-ins) with 8 scvs 8 marines 2 thors and totally owned by 8 mutas 20 zerglings, because scvs doesnt repair thors
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this is why you don't do all ins, foxer -.-
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that's a lot of roaches!! thor drop in kyrix main, minimal damage
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Now 10 scvs against 31 drones, massive amount of roaches entering terrans' base
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you see kyrix face? SKEE SKEE SKEE
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ehehe somebody said " This is FFOxer fake foxer!!!
that has made my day:D
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kyrix gearing up for a 3rd
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On November 21 2010 16:46 Pandain wrote:
this is why you don't do all ins, foxer -.-
Might as well lose in 10-15m instead of losing in 30.
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OMG ALMOST LOSES THOR ON FAILED DROP TO MUTA INTERCEPT.. OMG A SPLIT SECOND SAVE
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that repair is beyond imba omg made me rage and lose so many times
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On November 21 2010 16:46 eksert wrote:
Foxer pushes (all-ins) with 8 scvs 8 marines 2 thors and totally owned by 8 mutas 20 zerglings, because scvs doesnt repair thors
yup, it would probably have been a GG right there if SCVs were surrounding the thors instead of trying to tank in front.
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kyrix loses 15 roaches trying to enter terran base, foxer loses 1 rax only.
Though it's still kyrix's game! because 10 scv to 35 drones
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LMAO thor/scv repair imba debates are incoming or already here.
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just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here
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really cool cliff play going on w/ thor vs mutas on center of lost temple.. crazy match actually
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Kyrix taking gold, foxer tries a thor drop in in kyrix' main but not successful and retreats back
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Kyrix is so far ahead. It is a miracle if Foxer can come back from this.
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and massive roach push.. gg, takes down 4 thors in less than 8 seconds.
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KyrixZenith won. Who would've thought.
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On November 21 2010 16:48 Antoine wrote:
just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here
Man, the reward is 13000 dollars here! He is already S-class and it's hard to get past rounds in GSL!
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On November 21 2010 16:48 kirkybaby wrote:
really cool cliff play going on w/ thor vs mutas on center of lost temple.. crazy match actually
Mmmm... all-in gets destroyed, the losing player turtles instead of gg'ing...
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On November 21 2010 16:48 Antoine wrote:
just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here
So winning $16K USD is not as important as $200-400 for the first round of the GSL.
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foxer takes second in another big tournament...
foxer == yellow??
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Wellmannered Kyrix. Glad he didnt pull a Firebathero or anything.
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Disappointed it's only BO3 :/
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On November 21 2010 16:50 SiDX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:48 Antoine wrote:
just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here So winning $16K USD is not as important as $200-400 for the first round of the GSL.
He aims to win the GSL so passing the first round is his first priority...
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Kyrix is like 'ok im not playing around anymore' and kill off Boxer with brazillion of roaches
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It there's gonna be a come back it's the best in the sc2 history!
foxer taking 2nd base while kyrix is mining from his 3rd
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So wait, Kyrix now won the competition?
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On November 21 2010 16:50 SiDX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:48 Antoine wrote:
just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here So winning $16K USD is not as important as $200-400 for the first round of the GSL.
Well, it's possible winning $16k USD is not as important as winning the, what, ~$50k USD he will win if he gets second place again?
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On November 21 2010 16:50 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:48 kirkybaby wrote:
really cool cliff play going on w/ thor vs mutas on center of lost temple.. crazy match actually Mmmm... all-in gets destroyed, the losing player turtles instead of gg'ing...
Yea, terran just lost a push. He should push out with 2 marines instead of "turtling" >.<
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On November 21 2010 16:51 eksert wrote:
It there's gonna be a come back it's the best in the sc2 history!
foxer taking 2nd base while kyrix is mining from his 3rd
you're about 5 minutes late. spoiler: foxer lost.
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On November 21 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:50 SiDX wrote:On November 21 2010 16:48 Antoine wrote:
just gonna put this out there, foxer has a tvz in 3 days in the GSL so i doubt he's showing his best strats here So winning $16K USD is not as important as $200-400 for the first round of the GSL. He aims to win the GSL so passing the first round is his first priority...
Its not even about strategy or anything, he played really really fucking bad.
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Foxer actually looks kinda happy haha. Total opposite of how he was after that GSL finals.
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Kyrix looks like a pimp or a gang member in that outfit :D
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Marineking forgot the best strat against zerg is 2rax scv allin.
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And foxer cannot hold against 30 roaches 6 mutas 20 zerglings with 3 thors and GGs.
Aggressive zerg kyrix wins the game and 16000 $ !
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Foxer doesnt seem to be showing the disheartened emotion he showed us in the finals.
His face looks more of like "Just as planned" reaction.
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foxer doesn't even look sad.. he was kind of smiling too.. seriously think something fishy is going on behind the scenes
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Translation of INterview anyone
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well played by Kyrix
weird seeing Foxer play so passively in G1, but Kyrix just had a much better build in G2 and was expecting Foxer to Thor drop on Lost Temple
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GG Kyrix, disapointing by foxer I must admit
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One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious...
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On November 21 2010 16:52 JoeSchmoe wrote:
foxer doesn't even look sad.. he was kind of smiling too.. seriously think something fishy is going on behind the scenes
probably because he's ok w/ second place in a 4 day tournament as opposed to losing in the finals after a month long endeavor with his mom watching (lol)
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The bald guy from Blizzard looks like a mafia :D
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I love that Foxer exists, cause i'm always so happy when he looses.
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Yeah, I knew it was going to be 2:0 Kyrix before the games started. BoxeR seems to get way too jittery in finals. His play just sort of disappears. I hope he can get over it because those games just weren't representative of his skill level.
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On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious...
Because IF well executed it still work well and does good damage (usualy foxer execute it well, but this time was strangely played)
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so does this show that if foxer doesnt go marrines hes not dangerous at all ?
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On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious...
It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build
Anyway, who's that caucasian dude??
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somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know.
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I don't think he wanted to go all out honestly, I hope they meet in GSL3!!!
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Ugh this tournament was disappointing. Just about every series featured at least one game where a player completely choked. NaDa throwing away his huge advantage vs Tester, SangHo blowing it vs Boxer, Boxer and Maka just chilling with their armies and dying minutes later, Tester and his huge positioning blunder against Foxer, and just now Foxer playing like the Ro64 GSL2 Foxer.
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On November 21 2010 16:55 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious... Because IF well executed it still work well and does good damage (usualy foxer execute it well, but this time was strangely played)
On November 21 2010 16:56 Weirdkid wrote:It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build
Ok thanks, that makes sense.
by the way Tester is a total baller.
edit: and yeah it seemed that players didn't take this tourney too seriously
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On November 21 2010 16:55 razamanaz wrote:
so does this show that if foxer doesnt go marrines hes not dangerous at all ?
It shows that all T units except marines are almost useless vs zerg unless you are cheesing or doing thor drops or something.
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What's the prize distribution?
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i doubt kyrix won 16k
the prize is 13k so i think it could be something likethis
7k
3k
2k
1k
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I think partly Foxer wants to try out new strat in this tournament so he could improve it for his GSL games. But, yeah, he played quite badly in these game, but that could also partly because he is not familiar with the strat he used yet.
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On November 21 2010 16:56 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious... It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build Anyway, who's that caucasian dude??
michael someone, couldn't read it fast enough. anyone famous in blizzard named michael?
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So it's 9k for kyrix, 3.6k for foxer and 900$ for s.sks.
adds up to the 13.5k pp.
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and look, 1T 1Z and 1P in top three, insertbalancecommenthere !!
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On November 21 2010 16:57 kirkybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:56 Weirdkid wrote:On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious... It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build Anyway, who's that caucasian dude?? michael someone, couldn't read it fast enough. anyone famous in blizzard named michael?
There's Mike Morhaime, but that's not Mike Morhaime there.
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1st drop on LT - Thor auto-targeted mutas even though DRONES WERE DOING MORE DAMAGE. -_-
2nd thor push - let zerglings surround thors as SCV were a mile away, thors died seconds later never being repaired...
final attack by roaches... didn't even try to repair. Wouldn't have worked anyway, but eh.
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I love the middle Korean announcer... He's over the top and badass, Dresses like a baller, too.
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These games showed how stupid the thor targeting is >< In one battle the thor didn't shot for like 3 seconds, foxer made it attack something but it still auto turned elsewhere to attack mutas and in the end didn't attack anything...
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You can say what you like about Foxer playing poorly, but you have to give Kyrix some credit.
He took out Ensnare, Boxer, TheWind and Foxer without dropping a single game all tournament, that has to give him lots of confidence going into GSL3.
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On November 21 2010 16:58 kirkybaby wrote:and look, 1T 1Z and 1P in top three, insertbalancecommenthere !!
With Z on top, and P in the back. How appropriate. Truly, this tournament was a mini-gsl.
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1st place Zerg, 2nd place Terran, 3rd place Toss
Well, the series was kinda disappointing to me, especially how SlayerSBoxeR lost against Kyrix. A little bit better decision making would have gotten us a Boxer v.s. Foxer semi-final.
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Michael 0.o. Haha no idea. Maybe a Blizzard representative to the event or something.
I think Foxer will go back to being scary once he practises his new builds well enough though. That scv and thor error seems to show that he's just too use to playing with marines, because the scvs right in front are where you want them if you're going in with marines. Once he gets used to the relationship between thors and scvs, it's probably going to be a nightmare to play against him.
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On November 21 2010 16:57 Xxavi wrote:
What's the prize distribution?
10 million
4million
1million
In Korean currency.
On November 21 2010 16:58 MrCon wrote:
So it's 9k for kyrix, 3.6k for foxer and 900$ for s.sks.
adds up to the 13.5k pp.
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On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know.
That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim.
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Oh man I missed it.
*eagerly awaits vods/reps*
kyrix is looking pretty good... could he be our third zerg GSL winner?
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On November 21 2010 17:04 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know. That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim.
Foxer has no reason to intentionally lose, especially so soon after the match fixing scandal and before a team league is even established. He would be risking his career before it even started.
On November 21 2010 17:06 Reason.SC2 wrote:
kyrix is looking pretty good... could he be our third zerg GSL winner?
I don't know, he still has some stuff to work on. At least he proved the naysayers he can macro. I actually like his style of mass expanding quickly, he pulled some similar moves in GSL
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Amazing thing about Kyrix that he adapts instantly to the situation and seems like he is comfortable with any units composition on the other hand Foxer seems struggling when he's not doing his usual marine thing.
Btw not a single baling for Kyrix in G2 :D
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On November 21 2010 16:59 QuothTheRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:57 kirkybaby wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 Weirdkid wrote:On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious... It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build Anyway, who's that caucasian dude?? michael someone, couldn't read it fast enough. anyone famous in blizzard named michael? There's Mike Morhaime, but that's not Mike Morhaime there.
looked like jay wilson to me, unless they showed the guy next to him as michael something?
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Foxer the new Yellow?
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On November 21 2010 17:09 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 17:04 mango_destroyer wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know. That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim. Foxer has no reason to intentionally lose, especially so soon after the match fixing scandal and before a team league is even established. He would be risking his career before it even started.
Who said anything about match fixing? Maybe he just didn't want everybody putting him under the microscope during GSL3 since there is a lot more prize money involved. I doubt that he lost intentionally but there is more than one reason to drop a game.
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On November 21 2010 17:15 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 17:09 GP wrote:On November 21 2010 17:04 mango_destroyer wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know. That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim. Foxer has no reason to intentionally lose, especially so soon after the match fixing scandal and before a team league is even established. He would be risking his career before it even started. Who said anything about match fixing? Maybe he just didn't want everybody putting him under the microscope during GSL3 since there is a lot more prize money involved. I doubt that he lost intentionally but there is more than one reason to drop a game.
I said something about match fixing. ^^ If you intentionally lose, you're fixing the match, there's no way around that. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it for profit or some other stupid reason, you're fixing the outcome of the match. And what other reason would there be to throw a money match other than someone offers you a whole lot more money to lose? I think he had some new builds he wanted to surprise Kyrix with and his nerves got to him, so he performed them very poorly.
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On November 21 2010 17:12 kash2k wrote:
Foxer seems struggling when he's not doing his usual marine thing.
All I can say about this is that you should watch more often. His previous thor drops worked out pretty well. He used tanks effectively in the GSL2 finals. Marauders and ghosts made a big impact in the third game with Tester. If people are waiting for him to play a game without a single marine then I think they'll be waiting forever. It wouldn't make much sense for him to do that when it's a big part of his style of play.
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I don't understand why optimus is listed as getting second place? It was BoxeR that played this tournament and I would assume after getting 2nd in GSL 2 and going to the finals in this tournament that liquipedia would have enough class to list the name he played under.
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I think he should have stuck with the Thor drop he used in the GSL, this one was completely all-in, his build in the GSL was just to harass. I think if Kyrix didn't stay on 1 base so long and did the usual 14 expand business his Thor all-in would have owned.
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On November 21 2010 17:19 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 17:15 McDonalds wrote:On November 21 2010 17:09 GP wrote:On November 21 2010 17:04 mango_destroyer wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know. That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim. Foxer has no reason to intentionally lose, especially so soon after the match fixing scandal and before a team league is even established. He would be risking his career before it even started. Who said anything about match fixing? Maybe he just didn't want everybody putting him under the microscope during GSL3 since there is a lot more prize money involved. I doubt that he lost intentionally but there is more than one reason to drop a game. I said something about match fixing. ^^ If you intentionally lose, you're fixing the match, there's no way around that. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it for profit or some other stupid reason, you're fixing the outcome of the match. And what other reason would there be to throw a money match other than someone offers you a whole lot more money to lose? I think he had some new builds he wanted to surprise Kyrix with and his nerves got to him, so he performed them very poorly.
Match fixing usually implies that the result has been organized though, and you suggested that it would put his career at risk. Deciding as the game starts that "meh, I'll just play around in this and if I lose then all the better anyway" isn't going to impact your career, especially in a minor event like this. There wouldn't be any evidence around to implicate you in anything illegal.
But anyway, my first impression is that he has trouble calming down during finals. He was clutch for about a minute when Kyrix was trying to end game two at the ramp, but during the rest of the series he didn't really seem like himself.
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On November 21 2010 17:45 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 17:19 GP wrote:On November 21 2010 17:15 McDonalds wrote:On November 21 2010 17:09 GP wrote:On November 21 2010 17:04 mango_destroyer wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 papyrus wrote:somethings fishy around here, i think foxer intended to lose here. lol, but 16k $ is big ya know. That is a big reach. I think he could be happy for Kyrix, I assume they are friends I seen some pic on gomtv floating somewhere of him and others watching Kyrix play for GSL 3 prelim. Foxer has no reason to intentionally lose, especially so soon after the match fixing scandal and before a team league is even established. He would be risking his career before it even started. Who said anything about match fixing? Maybe he just didn't want everybody putting him under the microscope during GSL3 since there is a lot more prize money involved. I doubt that he lost intentionally but there is more than one reason to drop a game. I said something about match fixing. ^^ If you intentionally lose, you're fixing the match, there's no way around that. It doesn't matter whether you're doing it for profit or some other stupid reason, you're fixing the outcome of the match. And what other reason would there be to throw a money match other than someone offers you a whole lot more money to lose? I think he had some new builds he wanted to surprise Kyrix with and his nerves got to him, so he performed them very poorly. Match fixing usually implies that the result has been organized though, and you suggested that it would put his career at risk. Deciding as the game starts that "meh, I'll just play around in this and if I lose then all the better anyway" isn't going to impact your career, especially in a minor event like this. There wouldn't be any evidence around to implicate you in anything illegal..
I know what match fixing usually implies. I'm just simply saying that if you're fixing the match, you're fixing the match you can't get around that. Unless the guy's already rich he has no reason to say "meh I'll just play around." All I'm saying is the only reason he would have to throw a match is if any sort of money was involved, and where his career is at he has no reason to even think about it. No one just messes around when there's 5.5 k is on the line. That would be insane.
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On November 21 2010 17:13 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 16:59 QuothTheRaven wrote:On November 21 2010 16:57 kirkybaby wrote:On November 21 2010 16:56 Weirdkid wrote:On November 21 2010 16:54 AlBundy wrote:
One thing that bugs me. The thor drop build is one of the most, if not THE most expected build on LT. Why did he do it? It's so obvious... It's still one of the hardest to stop, especially if the zerg does an early expand. Just because a build is expected doesn't mean it's not a super strong build Anyway, who's that caucasian dude?? michael someone, couldn't read it fast enough. anyone famous in blizzard named michael? There's Mike Morhaime, but that's not Mike Morhaime there. looked like jay wilson to me, unless they showed the guy next to him as michael something?
It was Michael Gilmartin
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Foxer fast becoming the silver surfer of sc2.
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Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site).
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On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site).
Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com
Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now.
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Foxer's the Terran Yellow, chokes whenever he's in a finals.
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On November 21 2010 18:54 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site). Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now.
Cool thanks
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The assertions that Foxer wasn't trying his best or was saving some strategies are absolutely hilarious. Since he, unlike apparently many here, knows that even if he somehow was the favorite to win GSL 3, which he most certainly is not, he wouldn't be a big enough favorite to make up for the $5k he lost here. He just isn't nearly as good as some of you thought.
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On November 21 2010 18:54 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site). Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now.
That's with Chinese commentary. I don't want Chinese commentary.
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On November 21 2010 18:54 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site). Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now.
That's the chinese version though? Can't stand that one.
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On November 21 2010 19:10 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 18:54 yypisces wrote:On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site). Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now. That's the chinese version though? Can't stand that one.
o_O, it's better than nothing
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I loved the moment when there was a sign in the crowd saying "I love PL". The commentator started reading out loud the first two words then realized what the final word said and, in an embarrassed, way was like "lets go back to watching the game".
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Foxer is the SC2 version of Yellow.
Forever Silver!
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On November 21 2010 19:27 yypisces wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 19:10 nkr wrote:On November 21 2010 18:54 yypisces wrote:On November 21 2010 18:37 GTR wrote:
Anyone know where I can find Korean VODs for the whole event (preferably NOT on the GOMTV site). Ro16, Ro8 VODs are all posted on sc2rep.com Today's Semifinal and final games are uploading now. That's the chinese version though? Can't stand that one. o_O, it's better than nothing
Of course, I don't mean to be in any way disrespectful to the work you do over there. I'm sure a lot of people love your vods. It's just personal preference.
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Good to see that Tester can still do it, it's such a shame that he's missing in the GSL3.
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does anyone else find the sc2rep.com replays painfully slow to load up? I left it for 3 hours and found that 1 replay had loaded 4 mins worth... any suggestions?
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You guys are just hating on the chinese commentary cause you can't understand it!
I can though, and I can vouch for it being pretty horrible commentary. Not at all informative and the only entertainment value I got out of it was from the funny names they have for players and units.
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LOL? Epic Spoiler in the first post. Sucks!
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I wonder if sc2rep realizes how disastrous that chinese guy is to their site...
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On November 21 2010 19:46 MayorITC wrote:
Foxer is the SC2 version of Yellow.
Forever Silver!
If this turns out to be true , i'll hunt you down and devour you.
Plus good to see foxer trying some new builds for the upcoming GSL.
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On November 21 2010 19:37 tomatriedes wrote:I loved the moment when there was a sign in the crowd saying "I love PL". The commentator started reading out loud the first two words then realized what the final word said and, in an embarrassed, way was like "lets go back to watching the game".
So, uh... What does PL mean? If it were something dirty I would probably know it, and I don't, so I'm curious. Someone's initials?
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we can just mute the commentary, but the buffing time from youku is just Q_Q! thx for the effort anyway ^^
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On November 21 2010 21:59 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 19:37 tomatriedes wrote:I loved the moment when there was a sign in the crowd saying "I love PL". The commentator started reading out loud the first two words then realized what the final word said and, in an embarrassed, way was like "lets go back to watching the game". So, uh... What does PL mean? If it were something dirty I would probably know it, and I don't, so I'm curious. Someone's initials?
I'd wager it meant Proleague.
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 for the Chinese commentary.
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Are the finals/3rd place vods being uploaded as we speak?
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The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament.
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On November 21 2010 22:59 Sealpup wrote:
The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament.
You consider this a major tournament?
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On November 21 2010 23:12 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 22:59 Sealpup wrote:
The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament. You consider this a major tournament?
How is it not? There's a large prize pool and all the best Koreans were invited.
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carefoot recorded his stream so you can watch the finals and 3rd place matches there
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All VODs are available now, I updated them in this topic.
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damn ufc damn all stars
everyone i rooted lost =(
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Could anybody recommend some games for me to watch?
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Nice to see tester do good after failing to qualify for gls3
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On November 21 2010 23:32 Goshawk. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 23:12 zerious wrote:On November 21 2010 22:59 Sealpup wrote:
The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament. You consider this a major tournament? How is it not? There's a large prize pool and all the best Koreans were invited.
But do you really think some of these players are really going to reveal their strategies with GSL3 starting this week?
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On November 22 2010 00:49 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 23:32 Goshawk. wrote:On November 21 2010 23:12 zerious wrote:On November 21 2010 22:59 Sealpup wrote:
The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament. You consider this a major tournament? How is it not? There's a large prize pool and all the best Koreans were invited. But do you really think some of these players are really going to reveal their strategies with GSL3 starting this week?
All of the players in this tourney already got S-class, so GSL season 3 doesn't mean the world to them, though obviously everyone wants to do well.
I think the players would have used whatever strategies they thought could beat their opponents.
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On November 21 2010 23:38 zzaaxxsscd wrote:
carefoot recorded his stream so you can watch the finals and 3rd place matches there
Where? found Carefoot on Ustream but no videos archived...
Edit: Nvm, found him on teamliquid lol. @Justin.TV here:
justin.tv/carefoot
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big disappointment in tester vs thewind
two times nydus and one time 4 gate -_-
looked like the wind didn't want to play a straight up game against tester
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On November 22 2010 00:49 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 23:32 Goshawk. wrote:On November 21 2010 23:12 zerious wrote:On November 21 2010 22:59 Sealpup wrote:
The commentator's knowledge of the game isn't too bad. Infinitely better than Tasteless actually.
What makes him 'unwanted' are his insistent complaining of the gamers and constant criticism throughout his side cast. A lot of "tsk" sound and sighing get old really quick.
What a huge disappoint however that the Zerg once again claims a major tournament. You consider this a major tournament? How is it not? There's a large prize pool and all the best Koreans were invited. But do you really think some of these players are really going to reveal their strategies with GSL3 starting this week?
Do you really think anybody is going to be using their best strategies in the first couple rounds anyway though? They might want to save something but a tournament is a tournament. I liked that this one happened so quickly because it meant that nobody was spending a week with their teammates coming up with builds for a specific opponent. But yeah, the prize pool of GSL3 is a lot larger so I'm sure at least some of the players are taking it much more seriously.
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Foxer played cautiously because he was up against Kyrix. In their series, Kyrix busted him easily twice, and lost 2 close games with lings/banelings vs marines. When your strategy only has 50% success rate, you look to other things.
Throughout the tournament you can tell the other players were all scared of Foxer's proxies/all-ins while Foxer was never afraid of them, he had the initiative. The same thing with Kyrix, he plays fearlessly and makes other people fear him. In game 2 vs TheWind, both players went for the exact same build, pool then banelings, but TheWind had to throw down a spine crawler. Why? Fear. Kyrix is the bomb.
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On November 21 2010 19:08 syllogism wrote:
The assertions that Foxer wasn't trying his best or was saving some strategies are absolutely hilarious. Since he, unlike apparently many here, knows that even if he somehow was the favorite to win GSL 3, which he most certainly is not, he wouldn't be a big enough favorite to make up for the $5k he lost here. He just isn't nearly as good as some of you thought.
Biased much? He's the only guy to have made two finals in a row. NesTea and Rainbow lost in the first round of this tournament. Foxer got another decisive victory over FruitDealer in the second round. He's shown that he's a strong player. As I've said a number of times at this point, I think it's just a matter of him playing below his skill level in the very last games of both tournaments. I would attribute that to nerves before anything else, I guess.
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On November 22 2010 01:54 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 19:08 syllogism wrote:
The assertions that Foxer wasn't trying his best or was saving some strategies are absolutely hilarious. Since he, unlike apparently many here, knows that even if he somehow was the favorite to win GSL 3, which he most certainly is not, he wouldn't be a big enough favorite to make up for the $5k he lost here. He just isn't nearly as good as some of you thought. Biased much? He's the only guy to have made two finals in a row. NesTea and Rainbow lost in the first round of this tournament. Foxer got another decisive victory over FruitDealer in the second round. He's shown that he's a strong player. As I've said a number of times at this point, I think it's just a matter of him playing below his skill level in the very last games of both tournaments. I would attribute that to nerves before anything else, I guess.
I think there's a good chance of the marine getting nerfed soon, what happens to FoxeR then? Does he fall off the face of the Earth?
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On November 22 2010 01:54 McDonalds wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 19:08 syllogism wrote:
The assertions that Foxer wasn't trying his best or was saving some strategies are absolutely hilarious. Since he, unlike apparently many here, knows that even if he somehow was the favorite to win GSL 3, which he most certainly is not, he wouldn't be a big enough favorite to make up for the $5k he lost here. He just isn't nearly as good as some of you thought. Biased much? He's the only guy to have made two finals in a row. NesTea and Rainbow lost in the first round of this tournament. Foxer got another decisive victory over FruitDealer in the second round. He's shown that he's a strong player. As I've said a number of times at this point, I think it's just a matter of him playing below his skill level in the very last games of both tournaments. I would attribute that to nerves before anything else, I guess.
I fully admit I'm somewhat biased against him since I dislike the playstyle and the fans, but the main point of my post stands.
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A Bo3 final annoyed me so hard
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On November 22 2010 00:17 Gorlin wrote:
Could anybody recommend some games for me to watch?
All games were soso, the only interresting one is the foxer vs tester game 3, and the end is still disapointing.
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i really enjoyed these matches. kyrix is sick. sks vs foxer was good too
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I just watched Tester vs Foxer games. Wow, what a blunder by Tester taking his whole army to watchtower. He defended superbly against Foxer's initial push, and after that, he had such an advantage...
Tester played better than Foxer. Clearly. Just one blunder cost him the tie.
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game 2 tester vs foxer looks very much like game 1 sangho vs foxer in gsl 2, i think sangho manage to survive 20 more sec though
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On November 22 2010 05:06 Xxavi wrote:
I just watched Tester vs Foxer games. Wow, what a blunder by Tester taking his whole army to watchtower. He defended superbly against Foxer's initial push, and after that, he had such an advantage...
Tester played better than Foxer. Clearly. Just one blunder cost him the tie.
Amen..... so disappointed. I didn't understand what he was trying to do, clearly he was undecided. Did he want to just control the tower, or plant his entire army up there waiting? Half and Half doesn't work, unless it's cream in coffee we're talking about here.
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question is sSKS = Tester?
Because I can't find his name in the vods
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On November 22 2010 05:38 Aegeis wrote:
question is sSKS = Tester?
Because I can't find his name in the vods
Yeah; sSKS is the initals of his real name, tester was his BW monicker.
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sSKS just is very difficult to say it out load. I respect his new ID, but damn, make it easy to say it, Tester!
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On November 22 2010 02:06 sjschmidt93 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 01:54 McDonalds wrote:On November 21 2010 19:08 syllogism wrote:
The assertions that Foxer wasn't trying his best or was saving some strategies are absolutely hilarious. Since he, unlike apparently many here, knows that even if he somehow was the favorite to win GSL 3, which he most certainly is not, he wouldn't be a big enough favorite to make up for the $5k he lost here. He just isn't nearly as good as some of you thought. Biased much? He's the only guy to have made two finals in a row. NesTea and Rainbow lost in the first round of this tournament. Foxer got another decisive victory over FruitDealer in the second round. He's shown that he's a strong player. As I've said a number of times at this point, I think it's just a matter of him playing below his skill level in the very last games of both tournaments. I would attribute that to nerves before anything else, I guess. I think there's a good chance of the marine getting nerfed soon, what happens to FoxeR then? Does he fall off the face of the Earth?
I don't think so. With micro that good you can surely channel it into other things.
Having said that, I was glad to see a repeat of perhaps the most epic matchup in GSL2 here, even if it was limited to the bo3. Both of them excellent players, and always fun to watch, although from my personal bias perhaps what I'd most like to see is sSKS vs Kyrix, something about the king of anti-cheese vs the boss of complete aggression appeals.
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On November 22 2010 05:24 Slardarxt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 05:06 Xxavi wrote:
I just watched Tester vs Foxer games. Wow, what a blunder by Tester taking his whole army to watchtower. He defended superbly against Foxer's initial push, and after that, he had such an advantage...
Tester played better than Foxer. Clearly. Just one blunder cost him the tie. Amen..... so disappointed. I didn't understand what he was trying to do, clearly he was undecided. Did he want to just control the tower, or plant his entire army up there waiting? Half and Half doesn't work, unless it's cream in coffee we're talking about here.
It was discussed a bit earlier in this thread, but I think the order was like this (yeah, I'll put in a list form to make this srs buisness):
1. Warped in DTs to prevent gold expo and start breaking back rocks.
2. Moved out with main army and a few HTs now.
3. MK (Foxer) I don't think had enough scans to deal with the DTs, one in his natural line and 1/2 that just broke through into his main - so he moves his entire army forward to just attack Tester.
4. Tester is not expecting this, as he is pretty much gathering his entire army forward, they meet incidentally at the Xel Naga with Tester a little bit more forward.
5. Tester sees the ghosts in the front and I think he splits his armies into three or so to avoid the EMP, accidentally half that split goes up the xel naga, which even worse, was most of his Zealots needed for tanking.
6. Tester loses.
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On November 22 2010 06:10 Xxavi wrote:
sSKS just is very difficult to say it out load. I respect his new ID, but damn, make it easy to say it, Tester!
Says Xxavi? =P
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yypisces thanks for the vods and the thread nice job :-)
However I just watched the finals and...+ Show Spoiler + was that the real Foxer?? I mean WTF?? Nothing compared to GSL, maybe he's just trying new builds or something like that, but that foxer was so meh... He didn't attack Kirix in the finals at the begging..
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On November 22 2010 07:04 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 06:10 Xxavi wrote:
sSKS just is very difficult to say it out load. I respect his new ID, but damn, make it easy to say it, Tester! Says Xxavi? =P
Haha yea Xxavi just as hard to say.
Umm, yea I agree that Tester had that series in hand and the 1 blunder he makes cost him the 3rd game. Really unfortunate to see him go down like that when he totally deserved the win. I think he knows he's better than MK, but we'll just have to see next season. Tester Fighting!
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