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Hey guys,
I'm Tom, the lead admin for BSG, and I completely forgot about posting the thread here.
If you're having registration issues, feel free to email me directly - tom@bigshotgaming.com and I will get you sorted out.
Additionally, some SC2 specific stuff just so everyone's aware -
1. The SC2 winner will get both the Psyko headset as well as a Das Keyboard (every tournament except GoldenEye 007 is gonna get a Das Keyboard for first place)
2. We are not releasing a maplist before the LAN. Sorry!
3. We will be seeding players according to their battle.net rankings.
4. Starcraft II will be taking place Friday night.
5. The format is 1v1 double-elim - no best out of 3 for finals (unless you guys threaten to lynch me, SLP took a really long time and we've got a TON of other tournaments to run)
If anyone's got any more specific questions, just post them here in the thread and I'll be checking this regularly. Can't believe I forgot about the TL forums :/
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On November 05 2010 12:27 tomthebomb wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm Tom, the lead admin for BSG, and I completely forgot about posting the thread here.
If you're having registration issues, feel free to email me directly - tom@bigshotgaming.com and I will get you sorted out.
Additionally, some SC2 specific stuff just so everyone's aware -
1. The SC2 winner will get both the Psyko headset as well as a Das Keyboard (every tournament except GoldenEye 007 is gonna get a Das Keyboard for first place)
2. We are not releasing a maplist before the LAN. Sorry!
3. We will be seeding players according to their battle.net rankings.
4. Starcraft II will be taking place Friday night.
5. The format is 1v1 double-elim - no best out of 3 for finals (unless you guys threaten to lynch me, SLP took a really long time and we've got a TON of other tournaments to run)
If anyone's got any more specific questions, just post them here in the thread and I'll be checking this regularly. Can't believe I forgot about the TL forums :/
Care to give us a reason? I mean thats pretty unreasonable.
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Mainly because we don't want people to have any sort of advantage on the maps we choose, and we don't want to hear people being upset before the LAN with relation to the chosen maps - it's about impossible to make everyone happy 
We are definitely open to hearing what you guys DON'T want to play, if you have suggestions and can come to a consensus on it - I know there's a few maps that are very conducive to cheese strats, and we'd like to avoid people being cheesed out of the tournament at all costs.
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On November 05 2010 12:37 tomthebomb wrote:Mainly because we don't want people to have any sort of advantage on the maps we choose, and we don't want to hear people being upset before the LAN with relation to the chosen maps - it's about impossible to make everyone happy We are definitely open to hearing what you guys DON'T want to play, if you have suggestions and can come to a consensus on it - I know there's a few maps that are very conducive to cheese strats, and we'd like to avoid people being cheesed out of the tournament at all costs.
Seriously this is a horrible idea. Every tournament releases their map pools before...
That and the no bo3 for the finals. I'm all for this tournament but those two rules got to go asap.
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I got that backwards - I'm opposed to BO3 for semifinals, not finals, purely in the interest of time. I really want to see BO3 for the finals, just because that should be the best match of the entire tournament.
Diamond, if you want to talk more about maplists, I'd love to hear your input - none of us on the BSG crew are amazing at SC2, and there's only one of us that's really any good.
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On November 05 2010 12:48 tomthebomb wrote:
I got that backwards - I'm opposed to BO3 for semifinals, not finals, purely in the interest of time.
Diamond, if you want to talk more about maplists, I'd love to hear your input - none of us on the BSG crew are amazing at SC2, and there's only one of us that's really any good.
I emailed you already lol. Let's talk about this.
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Seeding based on ladder rankings seems a bit silly too, considering how unreliable ranking can be at times.
And how are you seeding it? Top ranked plays the lowest ranked first? With that setup you're probably just discouraging a lot of people from playing. #1 seeded against #2 would be even worse.
Seeding probably isn't necessarily a negative thing. It seems like a neutral feature that doesn't have a clear purpose since you're also doing double elim. It seems like a lot of extra work managing seed information for no gain.
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Please no iccup maps... not to be rude, but i think most people would prefer a ladder map pool.
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On November 05 2010 12:57 Warrice wrote:
Please no iccup maps... not to be rude, but i think most people would prefer a ladder map pool.
iccup out of spite
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Heh. Definitely didn't expect this to blow up like it is - we will fix this. Our LANs are for the players, and the players choose the directions we take.
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On November 05 2010 13:00 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 12:57 Warrice wrote:
Please no iccup maps... not to be rude, but i think most people would prefer a ladder map pool. iccup out of spite
ouch man, that hurts.
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Sadist is at least 3 times better than you so I think his vote counts 3 times more than yours 
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On November 05 2010 13:13 iSiN wrote:Sadist is at least 3 times better than you so I think his vote counts 3 times more than yours
speak for yourself, we play quite often, he is better than me, but not by much
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Honestly I would love iCCup maps but at this point there is really not time to implement them and get everyone practiced up on them. That's just my 2 cents.
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Okay, we've come to a couple decisions:
Best out of three will definitely be there for the finals - semifinals will have to be a decision made the day of the LAN depending entirely on attendance for this tournament.
I'm not sure on the seeding - you're right in that there are issues with seeding by ranking, but I think a degree of randomosity within each tier would be fine. It's hard to say - I'll try to come up with an answer on this in the next few days.
The maplist will be as follows, rotated by round:
Shakuras Plateau
Jungle Basin
Blistering Sands
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
Delta Quadrant
Lost Temple
Metalopolis
It'll be going top-down, so it's entirely possible that Lost Temple and Metalopolis will never be played. If you're going to practice, practice the maps from the top-down.
Is this fair enough for you guys?
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Looks good to me, thanks tom.
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On November 05 2010 13:24 tomthebomb wrote:
Okay, we've come to a couple decisions:
Best out of three will definitely be there for the finals - semifinals will have to be a decision made the day of the LAN depending entirely on attendance for this tournament.
Fair enough
I'm not sure on the seeding - you're right in that there are issues with seeding by ranking, but I think a degree of randomosity within each tier would be fine. It's hard to say - I'll try to come up with an answer on this in the next few days.
Honestly seeding is just unnecessary. Ladder ranking could mean less and it just adds more work for you guys. Battle.net 2.0 will punish you hard for this decision in multiple ways.
The maplist will be as follows, rotated by round:
Shakuras Plateau
Jungle Basin
Blistering Sands
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
Delta Quadrant
Lost Temple
Metalopolis
It'll be going top-down, so it's entirely possible that Lost Temple and Metalopolis will never be played. If you're going to practice, practice the maps from the top-down.
Then move at least Metal up. It's the best map of Blizz's. Move Blistering Sands to the end more then likely. That map blows.
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Okay, revised:
Shakuras Plateau
Jungle Basin
Metalopolis
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
Delta Quadrant
Lost Temple
Blistering Sands
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If you're going to seed the closest thing you can do to making it fair is to make it consistent. Go by sc2 ranks sorted by win percentage. It's the closest way to getting an actual seed ranking. It will take some time to set it up like this but if you're not going to go to the effort of making the seeding accurate then it's just better to do a random draw. There really isn't room for anything in between. If you watch MLG they try to do both and every time they wind up with two HUGE names fighting eachother in the first round because they're in the unseeded random pool.
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do u have to be a student @CMU to come to this lan?. im from ohio dunno how long of a drive but i want to go to a lan for sc2 -.-
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