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Zyphen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
November 02 2010 12:53 GMT
#2021
I think NaDa was trying to outBoxeR BoxeR. He should have just played his own style and stuck with heavy macro viking/tank. It's boring, it's safe but it would have done pretty well vs. BoxeR's BO, which was surprisingly consistent. I think NaDa outsmarted himself thinking that BoxeR would mix it up and he had to do something crazy in response or BoxeR would rush him. BoxeR never did, lol! He just banshee harassed and did straight forward timing pushes. His mindset was probably to do what worked until his opponent forced him to change (kinda like vs. Yellow when he did bunker rush 3 times).
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
November 02 2010 12:53 GMT
#2022
Very nice win by Boxer, but I really don't understand why Nada opted for a pure marine complement to his tank army which was destroyed by Boxer's marauder-tank combination. Nada's marine control had a lot to be desired and every time he brought them in to support it seemed like they were being funneled in through a narrow crack in his tank line, not like Boxer's masterful concaves with his superior range and DPS (against armor) marauders.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Origiral
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)106 Posts
November 02 2010 12:54 GMT
#2023
On November 02 2010 21:49 Samhax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:47 Origiral wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:46 Samhax wrote:
The Return of the Emperor, nothing else to say.


HE WAS NEVER GONE~ so i think you need to say that you retract your statement


What was the last time we saw him at the semi final of a big tournament like this?


i see you arnt aware that boxer plays at home by the alias flash, and the kid in the booth is just a hired school boy moving the mouse and sweating
hello
kr_priest
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)223 Posts
November 02 2010 12:54 GMT
#2024
If Nada had built a Raven or two things would have been turned around.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
November 02 2010 12:55 GMT
#2025
On November 02 2010 21:51 pyro19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:47 Jayson X wrote:
I feel like Nada tried a bit too hard to beat Boxer on his on field. I mean it is certainly possible to beat Boxer with a flashy or very aggressive strategy but Boxer usually sees right through that and can adapt very fast. Nada's strength lies in his ability to streamline his management of macro and micro very smoothly. He is an awesome and great player, but considering that they both know each other so well (they played each other over 40 times in BW and are almost tied, I think Nada is ahead only by one or two games) I feel like Nada tries to outsmart Boxer a bit too hard whenever they meet.

Great series nonetheless and GOM will surely benefit from having Boxer still in the tournament.


This.
At one point in game 4 boxer had like 900 minerals but still won.Shows he"s still weak at macro if nothing else.

I find it quite amazing that Boxer manages to pull all his wins despite the fact that his macro has been weaker in each game. If he just fixes his macro, which he will do with more practice with the SC2 mechanics, he could be unstoppable.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 02 2010 12:55 GMT
#2026
On November 02 2010 21:54 Origiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:49 Samhax wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:47 Origiral wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:46 Samhax wrote:
The Return of the Emperor, nothing else to say.


HE WAS NEVER GONE~ so i think you need to say that you retract your statement


What was the last time we saw him at the semi final of a big tournament like this?


i see you arnt aware that boxer plays at home by the alias flash, and the kid in the booth is just a hired school boy moving the mouse and sweating


LOL. thank you sir^^
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
November 02 2010 12:56 GMT
#2027
On November 02 2010 21:54 Origiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:49 Samhax wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:47 Origiral wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:46 Samhax wrote:
The Return of the Emperor, nothing else to say.


HE WAS NEVER GONE~ so i think you need to say that you retract your statement


What was the last time we saw him at the semi final of a big tournament like this?


i see you arnt aware that boxer plays at home by the alias flash, and the kid in the booth is just a hired school boy moving the mouse and sweating


And twitching rofl :D
ggaemo fan
The_Dark
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa222 Posts
November 02 2010 12:56 GMT
#2028
Foxer Vs Boxer finals.

[image loading]

what do you do against SlayersBoxer tanks!

MARINES!!!!
Hancell
Profile Joined January 2009
Korea (South)24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 12:57:30
November 02 2010 12:56 GMT
#2029
Missing translation bit from 1st answer by Boxer:

지금 소감이.. 마치 우승한것 같아요. 너무 기뻐서, 제 몸을 어떻게 할 수가 없더라구요.

After beating NaDa, I feel like I won the final. I'm so happy so I couldn't keep my body (from expressing joy).


Origiral
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)106 Posts
November 02 2010 12:56 GMT
#2030
On November 02 2010 21:55 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:51 pyro19 wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:47 Jayson X wrote:
I feel like Nada tried a bit too hard to beat Boxer on his on field. I mean it is certainly possible to beat Boxer with a flashy or very aggressive strategy but Boxer usually sees right through that and can adapt very fast. Nada's strength lies in his ability to streamline his management of macro and micro very smoothly. He is an awesome and great player, but considering that they both know each other so well (they played each other over 40 times in BW and are almost tied, I think Nada is ahead only by one or two games) I feel like Nada tries to outsmart Boxer a bit too hard whenever they meet.

Great series nonetheless and GOM will surely benefit from having Boxer still in the tournament.


This.
At one point in game 4 boxer had like 900 minerals but still won.Shows he"s still weak at macro if nothing else.

I find it quite amazing that Boxer manages to pull all his wins despite the fact that his macro has been weaker in each game. If he just fixes his macro, which he will do with more practice with the SC2 mechanics, he could be unstoppable.


hes already pretty unstoppable. my mother's fathers grandson once told me that " if you can win with one hand, why use two"
hello
Zyphen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 13:00:33
November 02 2010 12:56 GMT
#2031
On November 02 2010 21:53 Kraznaya wrote:
Very nice win by Boxer, but I really don't understand why Nada opted for a pure marine complement to his tank army which was destroyed by Boxer's marauder-tank combination. Nada's marine control had a lot to be desired and every time he brought them in to support it seemed like they were being funneled in through a narrow crack in his tank line, not like Boxer's masterful concaves with his superior range and DPS (against armor) marauders.


It's because NaDa wasted too much gas on ghosts and nukes. Marines are actually a good complement if NaDa has a critical mass of tanks because most of the marauders would get melted while his marines tank the marauder shots and enemy tank hits (which are both less effective vs. light). He'd need to micro a bit to achieve good spread though. Clumped marines did him in as well as not having enough tanks and/or vikings.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 02 2010 12:57 GMT
#2032
On November 02 2010 21:45 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:37 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:33 Shikyo wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:30 Fa1nT wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:29 CubEdIn wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:25 Fa1nT wrote:
On November 02 2010 21:24 CubEdIn wrote:
Sorry but this has been a really disappointing series.

Boxer doing same strat 4 times in a row.

Nada doing dumb strats with dumb play 3 out of 4 games.

Best decision making? Nuking your own units? -_-


He never nuked his own units.

He nuked closer to his own units than to Boxers, and had to reposition HIMSELF before the nuke landed. Yeah. GG

I guess you better fly to korea and teach him how it's done next season.

This attitude should seriously be a bannable offense. It's really easy to see someone making mistakes even if you can't do it yourself. How is that so difficult to comprehend? If you asked him "Was it a mistake to nuke your own units?" he's say "Yes".


It´s stupid to see a mistake when there is no mistake.
How close to your enemies tanks can you nuke without getting scanned and blown up?

Nothing wrong with the attitude, if you can´t be there playing yourself your insights on the game are worth shit.

Have you tested nuking? The range is much longer than what he did, there's no need in the slightest to nuke your own units. He also should have just canceled it instead of having to move his army back. Both of these statements are true.



Maybe he backed up too much. IMO it´s hard to tell the range of the splash sometimes.
I just think that calling NaDa dumb for making a mistake that probably didn´t even cost him the battle is well..dumb...
I think it was the sieging up when BoxeR was already in range with his troops. He had a better positioning( concave > line), I´m not sure if he really needed to siege up. Also BoxeR moved out of the nukes way pretty late, maybe that is why he didn´t cancel the nuke.

I dunno.
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
November 02 2010 12:57 GMT
#2033
On November 02 2010 21:34 grieve wrote:
Would love to see the video of BoxeR's reaction to beating NaDa again, he was absolutely overjoyed.



[image loading]

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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 13:02:36
November 02 2010 13:00 GMT
#2034
For those people trying to analyze last game, they were about equal in food and in tank count, the big difference was that boxer bio force was heavily marauders (80%+?) while nadas was very heavily marines (100%?). That made boxer able to break the siege line, and since nada wasnt immediately there with the marines to battle the marauders, the siege line of nada was pretty much dead and the tank/marauders of boxer could roll over the remaining marines.

Obviously good play (from both of them), and im not making any conclusions about marauders vs marines, but in that game in that situation the marauders massively contributed to the win.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
November 02 2010 13:00 GMT
#2035
Anyone knows who's playing on Friday? Can't watch those matches so I hope Boxer plays on Thursday.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 02 2010 13:01 GMT
#2036
On November 02 2010 22:00 Spidinko wrote:
Anyone knows who's playing on Friday? Can't watch those matches so I hope Boxer plays on Thursday.


He plays Friday
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
November 02 2010 13:02 GMT
#2037
On November 02 2010 21:52 Senx wrote:


I hope we get to see a similar video for Starcraft 2.


I forgot about ever making that video ^^ Id like to make another if he wins. Personally Im hoping for an ITR v BoxeR finals. Id feel so happy for either of them winning and itd be nice to see old team mates play.
Jechte
Profile Joined October 2010
United States94 Posts
November 02 2010 13:02 GMT
#2038
On November 02 2010 22:00 Spidinko wrote:
Anyone knows who's playing on Friday? Can't watch those matches so I hope Boxer plays on Thursday.


Unfortunately I believe it's foxer + rainbow on thursday and slayersboxer friday :S
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
November 02 2010 13:03 GMT
#2039
On November 02 2010 22:01 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 22:00 Spidinko wrote:
Anyone knows who's playing on Friday? Can't watch those matches so I hope Boxer plays on Thursday.


He plays Friday

The question is. Which Boxer are you referring to ^^
Foxer vs HopeTorture Thursday
NesTea vs Boxer Friday?

Grand finale is on saturday or what date anyone?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
November 02 2010 13:04 GMT
#2040
I wanted Boxer to win as Nada is already so strong he will probably come back with a vengeance and win GSL3 anyway. I think Nada's strong macro style would have done amazingly well versus NesTea, while Boxer's style has him fearing the TvZ matchup.

Nada lost today because he didn't have enough confidence in his own style. He tried to play like Boxer, going for different builds each game, while Boxer took the safe banshee opening into marine/tank/viking play instead.

When Nada comes back and realizes his macro style Terran is good enough to beat the best of the best, Nada will be near unstoppable.
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