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On November 01 2010 22:17 Crissaegrim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:12 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 abrasion wrote:On November 01 2010 22:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Sigh, another GSL with no protoss - I hope blizzard realizes that Protoss really isnt doing well. Esp in TvP According to Blizzcon, P is OP over T - prepare for incoming nerf to Psi Storm (not joking btw) According to the blizzcon pannel, Terran >> Protoss until the late game. both game 2 and 3 were decided in the early game - when toss is at a disadvantage. Game 4 was mid-late game, but no HTs were out yet - another 2-3 mins would have been late game. I dont understand why blizz wants to maintain a T>>P early game and P>T late game stance. Why dont they make it so that either race has a chance to take it early game or late game. Wouldnt that lead to more exciting games between back and forth advances, rather than terran racing to finish toss off as soon as possible? Still moaning the lack of protoss in the GSL.
They don't, they've stated that this ISN'T the kind of balance they want to achieve. The problem is balancing it out so that they're even in both the early and late game.
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i trade emp for storm any day as terran.
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On November 01 2010 22:18 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:17 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:16 AmstAff wrote:On November 01 2010 22:13 Jotoco wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 PulseSUI wrote:
the power of ghosts.. realy scared once terrans start to use them. :/ Ghosts are WAY TOO effective against protoss. This is true. They did what, 3 THOUSAND damage INSTANTLY. I moarn for protoss. Truelly, an Elder race should have evolved more than lowly and young Terrans. I didnt saw 30 Ghosts... 1 EMP => -100 shields -100 sheild times 30 units? Yeah 1 ghost can do about 2.5-3k damage with the new clumping. Actually just like 1.5k - but thats still too much. Then learn how to spread out your units like Terran have to do against Banelings?
Yeah cause EMPs travel at a speed of 2 - NOT.
Its an instant spell. I would love to have ghosts roll EMP bombs at me with 2 speed. Maybe that is what blizzard will do. :-)
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BOXER VS. BOXER FINAL. WITH BOXER WINNING.
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Yeah I can understand wanting a protoss for variety purposes, but I actually find Toss the most boring race to watch anyway.
But I think this Semi's will be great. I mean, I think Foxer has slowly started to gain a lot of attention because of the intrigue with his story. The guy is very highly ranked on the ladder, and stunk in his first games but since then has started to really roll. I find his style very entertaining to watch, and his micro is pretty incredible with those marines, combine that with the name issue and I think he is someone I'll continue to follow. ITR gives you some flare with some of the variety he can do, but also can go straight up and win as well.
The other side of the bracket semis will have either Nada or Boxer so at that point it is interesting no matter what.
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On November 01 2010 22:19 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:18 Ocedic wrote:On November 01 2010 22:17 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:16 AmstAff wrote:On November 01 2010 22:13 Jotoco wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 PulseSUI wrote:
the power of ghosts.. realy scared once terrans start to use them. :/ Ghosts are WAY TOO effective against protoss. This is true. They did what, 3 THOUSAND damage INSTANTLY. I moarn for protoss. Truelly, an Elder race should have evolved more than lowly and young Terrans. I didnt saw 30 Ghosts... 1 EMP => -100 shields -100 sheild times 30 units? Yeah 1 ghost can do about 2.5-3k damage with the new clumping. Actually just like 1.5k - but thats still too much. Then learn how to spread out your units like Terran have to do against Banelings? because EMPs travel the same speed as banelings?
Good point. Ghosts are actually way slower than banelings. And before you talk about cloak, there's this unit called the observer.
EDIT: For junior theorycrafters who are really dense, the majority of TvP fights revolve around a slow buildup / stand off. So there is ample time to watch for and prepare for ghosts by *gasp* spreading out.
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i hope pacquiao starts playing sc2
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On November 01 2010 22:16 Gaxton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:16 TimeOut wrote:On November 01 2010 22:15 Kraznaya wrote:On November 01 2010 22:15 MrCon wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 Jayson X wrote:
is tasteless even casting? He throws one or two lines in and artosis does all the rest...
Maybe it's not his day... Not only he throws 2 lines, but they're the same 2 lines he uses everyday. petition to fire tasteless inc? Day9, DjWheat and Artosis for GSL 2011? What about Jason Lee?
Do you like when a protoss slips his canon in your backside, YES OR NO ?
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On November 01 2010 22:20 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:17 Crissaegrim wrote:On November 01 2010 22:12 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 abrasion wrote:On November 01 2010 22:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Sigh, another GSL with no protoss - I hope blizzard realizes that Protoss really isnt doing well. Esp in TvP According to Blizzcon, P is OP over T - prepare for incoming nerf to Psi Storm (not joking btw) According to the blizzcon pannel, Terran >> Protoss until the late game. both game 2 and 3 were decided in the early game - when toss is at a disadvantage. Game 4 was mid-late game, but no HTs were out yet - another 2-3 mins would have been late game. I dont understand why blizz wants to maintain a T>>P early game and P>T late game stance. Why dont they make it so that either race has a chance to take it early game or late game. Wouldnt that lead to more exciting games between back and forth advances, rather than terran racing to finish toss off as soon as possible? Still moaning the lack of protoss in the GSL. No, they said that's how the view the MU at the moment. They specifically said they don't want it to be like that. Not sure you know what that word means..
You avoided my point completely, and therefore conceded it
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On November 01 2010 22:18 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:16 Yaotzin wrote:On November 01 2010 22:14 Kraznaya wrote:On November 01 2010 22:13 Yaotzin wrote:
Terran still dominating GSL despite all their whinging. Terran has all the name former BW pros, it's more like former BW pros > WC3/otherRTS noobs than anything else Yawn always some excuse. Tournament results prove conclusively that Terran is very strong, despite them whining up a storm. Just like how FruitDealer's win proved conclusively that zerg didn't need a buff, or Terran a previous nerf? Not really.
No, not like that at all. This one result means nothing, just as FDs win meant nothing. I'm talking about overall distributions in tournaments. Terrans are still over-represented in latter stages of tournaments. The strongest evidence for Zerg's previous UPness was always their lack of representation. Terran's don't have that evidence, which proves they're just whining.
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On November 01 2010 22:20 ZeGzoR wrote:
i trade emp for storm any day as terran.
LOL you're crazy. Storm does 80 damage (if you sit still inside it like a moron), EMP does 100 damage instantly.
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On November 01 2010 22:12 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:10 zemiron wrote:
Wow, it's looking like a pretty boring semifinals. Three Terrans and a Zerg. Ugh... I'll watch, but I'm not really that excited. if you're not excited about Boxer or Nada, you're not excited about Starcraft
Or I have a different opinion than everyone else. I didn't come to Starcraft 2 from Brood War, so Boxer and Nada don't mean much to me. I prefer mixed matchups instead of mirror matchups regardless of who is playing. And please don't flame me because I'm a "noob" fan or whatever.
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On November 01 2010 22:19 AmstAff wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:16 HollowLord wrote:On November 01 2010 22:16 AmstAff wrote:On November 01 2010 22:13 Jotoco wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 PulseSUI wrote:
the power of ghosts.. realy scared once terrans start to use them. :/ Ghosts are WAY TOO effective against protoss. This is true. They did what, 3 THOUSAND damage INSTANTLY. I moarn for protoss. Truelly, an Elder race should have evolved more than lowly and young Terrans. I didnt saw 30 Ghosts... 1 EMP => -100 shields Yeah but each EMP hit about 10 units. So its the Terrans fault that the P has one clumped group? On the other site P users always give the hint to SPREAD YOUR UNITS and storms are shit. Sometimes I dont understand the world =/
You dont spread for storm
You run away from storm.
Maybe make EMP Damage over time. Like 10 damage every .5 secs like storm. That would be nice.
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On November 01 2010 22:19 Sanguinarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:18 HollowLord wrote:On November 01 2010 22:17 Crissaegrim wrote:On November 01 2010 22:12 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 abrasion wrote:On November 01 2010 22:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Sigh, another GSL with no protoss - I hope blizzard realizes that Protoss really isnt doing well. Esp in TvP According to Blizzcon, P is OP over T - prepare for incoming nerf to Psi Storm (not joking btw) According to the blizzcon pannel, Terran >> Protoss until the late game. both game 2 and 3 were decided in the early game - when toss is at a disadvantage. Game 4 was mid-late game, but no HTs were out yet - another 2-3 mins would have been late game. I dont understand why blizz wants to maintain a T>>P early game and P>T late game stance. Why dont they make it so that either race has a chance to take it early game or late game. Wouldnt that lead to more exciting games between back and forth advances, rather than terran racing to finish toss off as soon as possible? Still moaning the lack of protoss in the GSL. Actually if you watched the panel, they said that the Terran >> Protoss until the late game was a PROBLEM, and that they wanted to fix it. They said exactly this. I just dont know how they are going to fix it.
theyre trying to tweak stim and storm which actually are big reasons for the balance swing early to late game but shit's going to hit the fan if they fuck up 10-year old abilities that are like the pinnacles of each race
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On November 01 2010 22:18 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:17 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:16 AmstAff wrote:On November 01 2010 22:13 Jotoco wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 PulseSUI wrote:
the power of ghosts.. realy scared once terrans start to use them. :/ Ghosts are WAY TOO effective against protoss. This is true. They did what, 3 THOUSAND damage INSTANTLY. I moarn for protoss. Truelly, an Elder race should have evolved more than lowly and young Terrans. I didnt saw 30 Ghosts... 1 EMP => -100 shields -100 sheild times 30 units? Yeah 1 ghost can do about 2.5-3k damage with the new clumping. Actually just like 1.5k - but thats still too much. Then learn how to spread out your units like Terran have to do against Banelings?
baneling/zergling vs marines is melee vs ranged, when you spread out you're still doing most of your dps, especially when you consider the marines attack animation.
spreading out p units in such a way vs a bio ball will cut the p dps incredibly while allowing the ball to focus the units a few at a time.
its not the same situation.
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On November 01 2010 22:20 ZeGzoR wrote:
i trade emp for storm any day as terran.
Yep, even if Terran units were all split in half with shields
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On November 01 2010 22:20 Doko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:17 Crissaegrim wrote:On November 01 2010 22:12 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 abrasion wrote:On November 01 2010 22:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Sigh, another GSL with no protoss - I hope blizzard realizes that Protoss really isnt doing well. Esp in TvP According to Blizzcon, P is OP over T - prepare for incoming nerf to Psi Storm (not joking btw) According to the blizzcon pannel, Terran >> Protoss until the late game. both game 2 and 3 were decided in the early game - when toss is at a disadvantage. Game 4 was mid-late game, but no HTs were out yet - another 2-3 mins would have been late game. I dont understand why blizz wants to maintain a T>>P early game and P>T late game stance. Why dont they make it so that either race has a chance to take it early game or late game. Wouldnt that lead to more exciting games between back and forth advances, rather than terran racing to finish toss off as soon as possible? Still moaning the lack of protoss in the GSL. They don't want it to be that way. Dustin Browder specifically addressed that. If you buff gateway units 4 gate is now unstoppable, if you nerf terran... zerg rolls over them. Protoss is probably gonna be stuck with 2gate robo till HoTS. Buff cannons?
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On November 01 2010 22:20 necmon wrote:
EMP vs Protoss is quite similar to baneling vs terran. Or storm versus terran. It's not too different and it can be solved by doing the same as terrans have to do versus the spells of the other races (i.e. spread out...).
no, Seeker Missile vs Protoss is similar to baneling vs terran.
EMP is like Storm, but EMP counters Storm.
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On November 01 2010 22:21 MrCon wrote:
Do you like when a protoss slips his canon in your backside, YES OR NO ?
i LOL. thank you sir.
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On November 01 2010 22:19 Sanguinarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:18 HollowLord wrote:On November 01 2010 22:17 Crissaegrim wrote:On November 01 2010 22:12 Sanguinarius wrote:On November 01 2010 22:08 abrasion wrote:On November 01 2010 22:07 Sanguinarius wrote:
Sigh, another GSL with no protoss - I hope blizzard realizes that Protoss really isnt doing well. Esp in TvP According to Blizzcon, P is OP over T - prepare for incoming nerf to Psi Storm (not joking btw) According to the blizzcon pannel, Terran >> Protoss until the late game. both game 2 and 3 were decided in the early game - when toss is at a disadvantage. Game 4 was mid-late game, but no HTs were out yet - another 2-3 mins would have been late game. I dont understand why blizz wants to maintain a T>>P early game and P>T late game stance. Why dont they make it so that either race has a chance to take it early game or late game. Wouldnt that lead to more exciting games between back and forth advances, rather than terran racing to finish toss off as soon as possible? Still moaning the lack of protoss in the GSL. Actually if you watched the panel, they said that the Terran >> Protoss until the late game was a PROBLEM, and that they wanted to fix it. They said exactly this. I just dont know how they are going to fix it.
I just watched the panel today.
They are going to nerf terran not buff protoss, I can feel it.
They stated quite clearly that Terran have /sooooo/ many fucking options for the open at the start of a game, so reducing one or two of these will still allow them to harass but might help out P in the start of the game.
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