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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:17 thesighter wrote: The top players in Dreamhack are NON-Euro: Inca, Top, Tyler, and Fenix. Are there ANY good players in Europe?? Only Socke has played well. User was temp banned for this and a history of bad posts. Actionjesuz! | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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teumas
Sweden280 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:33 MDew wrote: Because vs a good zerg, it would not have paid off, and killing 30 drones would of been the better action. How would a better zerg handle it? Have an overseer there faster, When Morrow turned his overseer around as soon as he noticed the dts? And 30 drones? Had Nama targeted the drones morrow would have moved them down to his expansion, closer to his overseer, and even if he didn't, wasn't even 30 drones at the main. So, kill 10-15 drones to equalize the worker count or take a big chance, kill the lair and get a big lead? | ||
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Patientia
United States9 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:23 BlazingInferno wrote: So far, Dreamhack has been pretty good. 1) BO1 did not lose players games. They were outplayed in individual games by opponents which eventually lost them the games. Except the amazingly stupid coin-toss decider, I don't think anyone can blame the format for players getting knocked out. I mean, the players themselves would say that they lost because they did not play up to mark and who are we to argue. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, I disagree with this guy's approval on Bo1 format. I think a solid Bo3 in the group stage is needed in the future tournaments because Bo1 still has a lot of "luck" factoring into the outcome of the match. Why do we have several sets in other sports like Tennis anyway? We want more consistant players to advance to the higher stages of the tournament. We don't want players who only do 6 or 7 pool to advance to the knock-out stage. One's effort put in macro management should be valued more imo. Anyhow, one game takes about an average of 20 minutes. So if one were to do Bo3 instead of Bo1, about an average of 40 more minutes will take to finish a match. I think 60 minutes average maximum for a match is not that bad. | ||
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pontrjagin
United States14 Posts
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namedplayer
844 Posts
source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=2370786&search=3&search_pos=&q= | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:37 noD wrote: -Production having team mates battle themself (ogs and mouz) is so meh too :/ they know each other strats so the game gets more boring, still this one is not their fault It's not like they're sitting there petting a cat and going "yes... yes.. we will have them fight each other to the death to prove europe something and piss off people in the teamliquid live report thread". If either of those players had done better in their respective groups they would have met someone completely different. Looking at the premade brackets after people qualified and then rearranging them to favour certain players would have been even worse. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:42 Lobo2me wrote: It's not like they're sitting there petting a cat and going "yes... yes.. we will have them fight each other to the death to prove europe something and piss off people in the teamliquid live report thread". If either of those players had done better in their respective groups they would have met someone completely different. Looking at the premade brackets after people qualified and then rearranging them to favour certain players would have been even worse. Yeah i said its not their fault but it sux seeing 2 top guys going from korea to battle each other before quarters ... | ||
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LoCaD
Germany1634 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:33 Husnan wrote: To all the people out there who just fell in love with TotalBiscuit, I strongly recommend to go check out his youtube channel (I think he's called TotalHalibut there), and especially the "I suck at Starcraft 2" series. It's brilliant. [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumvrW4p8KY"][/YOUTUBE] best Supply Depot build cast ever XD <3 TB. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:42 namedplayer wrote: according to oGsMC who lives with Liquid guys in Korea, Jinro was F level player when he just arrived in Korea(TLO was A level), but Jinro practiced over and over, studied of replays etc.. so now, MC thinks that Jinro became a A level player hard to deal with(especially in long term game), and TLO is now B- level because he had some wrist problem that's why He haven't practiced enough. source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=2370786&search=3&search_pos=&q= F sounds harsh, but he certainly wasn't that good. There were probably 20 or more better european players at the time he joined them in Korea. Anyway, he's sick good now. | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:41 Patientia wrote: Actually, I disagree with this guy's approval on Bo1 format. I think a solid Bo3 in the group stage is needed in the future tournaments because Bo1 still has a lot of "luck" factoring into the outcome of the match. Why do we have several sets in other sports like Tennis anyway? We want more consistant players to advance to the higher stages of the tournament. We don't want players who only do 6 or 7 pool to advance to the knock-out stage. One's effort put in macro management should be valued more imo. Anyhow, one game takes about an average of 20 minutes. So if one were to do Bo3 instead of Bo1, about an average of 40 more minutes will take to finish a match. I think 60 minutes average maximum for a match is not that bad. I dont think anyone would argue that bo3 is a better determiner of skill than bo1 - but I think the point the OP was making (and that i supported) was that bo1 wasnt completely awful - like many suspected it would be. I expected 9/10 group stage games to be something like a cannon rush, marine/scv rush or 6 pool - when actually it was more like 1/10. | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
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ylih
Finland3 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:41 teumas wrote: How would a better zerg handle it? Have an overseer there faster, When Morrow turned his overseer around as soon as he noticed the dts? And 30 drones? Had Nama targeted the drones morrow would have moved them down to his expansion, closer to his overseer, and even if he didn't, wasn't even 30 drones at the main. So, kill 10-15 drones to equalize the worker count or take a big chance, kill the lair and get a big lead? He did very little scouting in both games. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Bo1 is however pretty bad from a viewer PoV, and I imagine even worse from a player PoV. As funny as Actionjesus appearance was, I feel pretty bad for lucifron going out against a 6pool, just as I feel pretty bad for demuslim going out against a 2gate proxy (and demuslim beat fenix, who is now in ro8). Bo1 kinda makes it so that losing to cheesy strat like that has way too much affect on tournament results. And that Bo1 also has a pretty high chance of ending up in 3way ties is kinda bad too, but the real blunder was the coinflip rule. Bo3 is obviously better overall, but Bo1 when in group play is still just as fail (or unfair) as most other formats. But the coinflip rule needs to go asap. | ||
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EpiK-J
Australia78 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:40 hifriend wrote: Morrow switched races less than 2 months ago, didn't even switch entirely until about a month ago, has been occupied with studies and is already one of the top foreigner zergs somehow. Give a guy some credit? top foreiginer zerg? Is that term thrown around at will or is the foreigner scene that weak? He went 2-1 in group stages (meaning he won two BO1) then lost his first play off games? | ||
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On November 27 2010 07:41 teumas wrote: How would a better zerg handle it? Have an overseer there faster, When Morrow turned his overseer around as soon as he noticed the dts? And 30 drones? Had Nama targeted the drones morrow would have moved them down to his expansion, closer to his overseer, and even if he didn't, wasn't even 30 drones at the main. So, kill 10-15 drones to equalize the worker count or take a big chance, kill the lair and get a big lead? A better zerg would have immediately morphed the overseer by the lair instead of turning the one all the way across the map around, letting it get halfway back, then deciding that was too slow and morphing one by the lair that still finished before the original overseer was back. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
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Patientia
United States9 Posts
dont think anyone would argue that bo3 is a better determiner of skill than bo1 - but I think the point the OP was making (and that i supported) was that bo1 wasnt completely awful - like many suspected it would be. I expected 9/10 group stage games to be something like a cannon rush, marine/scv rush or 6 pool - when actually it was more like 1/10. Totally... I get your point. It wasn't as bad as we expected, but still... if they can afford Bo3, they should do Bo3 instead of Bo1. Well, if they don't have enough time for doing Bo3, then I guess we have no other option then. | ||
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
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