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Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
November 26 2010 22:53 GMT
#5521
Seriously guys, I´m the OMGCrazyHairGuy (Yes, srsly, that´s my new nickname) and we who were there sat discussing the game. Morrow vs MaNa had to have been a joke. They played in bronze-level both of them.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
November 26 2010 22:54 GMT
#5522
as for huk saying get out and whatnot in the chat, players can do that. if a non player is lagging a ton, any player has the right to tell them to leave. that's like a standard rule in all games.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
November 26 2010 22:54 GMT
#5523
boX is always better than boY, when X>Y

The tournament organizer has to choose the maximum of games which can be played in limited time. I think bo3 should be the minimum, though.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2010 22:55 GMT
#5524
On November 27 2010 07:52 Jiddra wrote:
Todays highpoint on the mainstage


[image loading]

Oh wow are those clothespins!? I have attached clothespins to my face before and it is very painful .
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
November 26 2010 22:55 GMT
#5525
On November 27 2010 07:48 Kreb wrote:
Bo1 works from a "fairness" PoV. I mean you still pretty much have to win 2 out of 3 games to almost guaranteed go through, same as if it would have been a pure single elim Bo3 bracket like GSL. And we see plenty of "unfair" results in GSL and other Bo3 tournies too where the seemingly weaker player goes through. It wont get fair unless you play Bo50s or something.

Bo1 is however pretty bad from a viewer PoV, and I imagine even worse from a player PoV. As funny as Actionjesus appearance was, I feel pretty bad for lucifron going out against a 6pool, just as I feel pretty bad for demuslim going out against a 2gate proxy (and demuslim beat fenix, who is now in ro8). Bo1 kinda makes it so that losing to cheesy strat like that has way too much affect on tournament results. And that Bo1 also has a pretty high chance of ending up in 3way ties is kinda bad too, but the real blunder was the coinflip rule.

Bo3 is obviously better overall, but Bo1 when in group play is still just as fail (or unfair) as most other formats. But the coinflip rule needs to go asap.



i think it's just a schedule thing, they can't delay the whole tournaments to play tie breaks over and over again

that's why they play one tie break and in the unfortunate situation of not having a result afterwards pretty much "resort" to just flipping a coin to get on with the tournament


sucks big time from a players and spectators pov but seems to be necessary from a organizators pov
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
November 26 2010 22:55 GMT
#5526
On November 27 2010 07:52 Jiddra wrote:
Todays highpoint on the mainstage


[image loading]



To whoever doesn't love Sweden, I present the above as an irrefutable proof that Sweden is the most awesome country in the world.

FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 22:57:58
November 26 2010 22:57 GMT
#5527
On November 27 2010 07:54 blizzind wrote:
as for huk saying get out and whatnot in the chat, players can do that. if a non player is lagging a ton, any player has the right to tell them to leave. that's like a standard rule in all games.



actually it's the tournaments who make the rules... some "bro-code" type of thing does not matter there
Kevmeister @ Dota2
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
November 26 2010 22:59 GMT
#5528
On November 27 2010 07:52 mdma-_- wrote:
well even though the coinflip sucks, it is still kinda understandable. They had a three-way-tie twice and playing the games for the third time would kinda take it very long.



Not really, there was a 1hour+ break after the coinflip till the next series of group games iirc? And 6 hours until the ro16 (which it decided) actually too place.

My own view on it was that I am a rabid fan of socke, and had to deal with him facing failure twice and BADLY wanted him to go through, but when I heard he won the coinflip I just felt dirty and so upset for Bischu.

I dont think any player should be removed from a sc2 tournament on a random chance non-sc2 related action unless it is completely necessary and unavoidable - and as we saw today the coinflip happend before 1pm CET, and the ro16 started at 19:00 CET - so at no point during that period could they not have had 3 non-broadcast bo1's?

I realise admin's are busy but hell they could even have done it with fucking replays submitted and signed by bother players or overseen by DH staff/other game admins to stop cheating. If it wasnt broadcast there couldnt have been cheating. There is enough damn pc's in that venue to get 3 Bo1's played over a 6 hour period.

TL;DR - not every possibility was exhausted before resorting to a desparate last measure.
Socke Fighting!!!!
Paer
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden121 Posts
November 26 2010 23:00 GMT
#5529
Just came back from work and missed the whole thing I heard there were some funny moments when Day9 accidentaly kicked his computer off. Is there a video of that anywhere?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
November 26 2010 23:02 GMT
#5530
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.

User was temp banned for this post.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 26 2010 23:02 GMT
#5531
On November 27 2010 07:44 Sl4ktarN wrote:
Those games between Morrow and MaNa must have been rigged. Im sorry.


Were you aware of the stream being fixed on you basicly the whole time between the matches?
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
SuperMutant
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden6 Posts
November 26 2010 23:03 GMT
#5532
On November 27 2010 07:55 Reason.SC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 07:52 Jiddra wrote:
Todays highpoint on the mainstage


[image loading]



To whoever doesn't love Sweden, I present the above as an irrefutable proof that Sweden is the most awesome country in the world.



Blondes and clothespins, what more could you ask for!
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
November 26 2010 23:05 GMT
#5533
On November 27 2010 08:00 Paer wrote:
Just came back from work and missed the whole thing I heard there were some funny moments when Day9 accidentaly kicked his computer off. Is there a video of that anywhere?



Day9, GLHF and Shoutcast are all VODding every single game cast - so on their relevant pages you should be able to find them now, or at the latest tommorow.

Certainly most of Martijn's vods are already up.
Socke Fighting!!!!
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
November 26 2010 23:05 GMT
#5534
On November 27 2010 08:02 HolyArrow wrote:
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.

edit: not even worth commenting.
Patientia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 23:13:39
November 26 2010 23:06 GMT
#5535
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.


Not neccessarily. The tournament format might have been already set before the whole thing began. Top finished the first and Inca finished the second losing PvsP against Tyler. Your comment is based soley based on your gut feeling and that might inflame other people posting on this forum. It's easy to make a silly conclusion from the limited information that you have. For example, we cannot conclude that Tyler is a better than Inca concluding only from the result from that one match. By the same token, one cannot conclude that games played in Europian tournaments have a lower overall quailty than games played in MLG and GSL if you only have watched several games played in DH.
Hi :)
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
November 26 2010 23:07 GMT
#5536
On November 27 2010 08:05 brentsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 08:02 HolyArrow wrote:
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.

edit: not even worth commenting.


Obviously I'm aware that because InCa lost a game to Tyler, he had to play TOP. Calm down. Simply an unfortunate coincidence >_>
AxiR
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany944 Posts
November 26 2010 23:07 GMT
#5537
On November 27 2010 08:06 Patientia wrote:
Show nested quote +
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.


Not neccessarily. The tournament format might have been already set before the whole thing began. Top finished the first and Inca finished the second losing PvsP against Tyler. Your comment is based soley on gut feeling and that might inflame other people posting on this forum.


Don't feed the troll dude
Wazabo
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy124 Posts
November 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#5538
Why people fail to understand that if Inca had won his group he wouldn't met TOP till the very final?

It's not like DH fixed the tourney to avoid a korean final.

FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
November 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#5539
On November 27 2010 07:59 resilve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 07:52 mdma-_- wrote:
well even though the coinflip sucks, it is still kinda understandable. They had a three-way-tie twice and playing the games for the third time would kinda take it very long.



Not really, there was a 1hour+ break after the coinflip till the next series of group games iirc? And 6 hours until the ro16 (which it decided) actually too place.

My own view on it was that I am a rabid fan of socke, and had to deal with him facing failure twice and BADLY wanted him to go through, but when I heard he won the coinflip I just felt dirty and so upset for Bischu.

I dont think any player should be removed from a sc2 tournament on a random chance non-sc2 related action unless it is completely necessary and unavoidable - and as we saw today the coinflip happend before 1pm CET, and the ro16 started at 19:00 CET - so at no point during that period could they not have had 3 non-broadcast bo1's?

I realise admin's are busy but hell they could even have done it with fucking replays submitted and signed by bother players or overseen by DH staff/other game admins to stop cheating. If it wasnt broadcast there couldnt have been cheating. There is enough damn pc's in that venue to get 3 Bo1's played over a 6 hour period.

TL;DR - not every possibility was exhausted before resorting to a desparate last measure.


actually the rules have been like that from the beginning and all the players have agreed to played after those rules...

and making it some sort of "we'll figure it out when it happens"-thing could also lead to unfair situations...

imagine it happens in 2 different groups, in one group they actually have the chance to resolve the issues after X amount of tiebreaks but since the other group started later they ultimately have to resolve to the coinflip or whatever to decide how to proceed even if they played like less than X tiebreaks or something.. tournaments like that have to have set rules for such situations that clearly describe what is going to happen in a certain situation beforehand


i mean it's not the first starcraft tournament at dreamhack and they probably have experience in hosting them and know what they actually can and can not fit into their schedule
Kevmeister @ Dota2
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
November 26 2010 23:11 GMT
#5540
On November 27 2010 08:07 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 08:05 brentsen wrote:
On November 27 2010 08:02 HolyArrow wrote:
LOL @ TOP vs. InCa (and a teamkill, on top of that). Looks like our folks at Dreamhack were afraid of a Korean vs. Korean finals.

edit: not even worth commenting.


Obviously I'm aware that because InCa lost a game to Tyler, he had to play TOP. Calm down. Simply an unfortunate coincidence >_>

Then why are you accusing them of being afraid of "Korean vs. Korean finals" when they would have met (if at all) in the finals otherwise?
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