EPTOff-topic. People need to stop doing this. Would you like it if people always wrote "Haha Swedes" everytime someone from Sweden makes a silly comment? It's just retarded.
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Off-topic. People need to stop doing this. Would you like it if people always wrote "Haha Swedes" everytime someone from Sweden makes a silly comment? It's just retarded. | ||
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
What years are we talking about? Because as a viewer watching the stream last year all was fine from my end but might been otherwise there since I haven't competed at Dreamhack. 2008 and 2009. The stream is maybe fine, but for the players, the lan network drops constantly during official games, which is so bad, sometimes it drops only for part of the players and not for the others, which screw things up big time. The thing that i find bad about this lan is that they rank their games and don't give them the same importance. Like they provide computers for the Counter-Strike tournament while the other tournaments people need to bring their computers with them. They provide better technical assistance for some tournaments and not for others. Like they can give you shit if u ask for something, but if it's the CS tournament you would have a team of staff members asap trying to fix it. And when you complain they will just say oh counter-strike is more important (in lan language = eat shit). | ||
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Loss
Sweden27 Posts
First is the prize money, 1st place winner gets about 15 000 USD and the total pricepool is about 26 500 USD And the other thing is about the dota tourney, i was there watching the final 2009 with all does tech problems and it was the 3rd part software that caused the problems. Anyway, i do agree that the Dota tourney was bad done and could have been better, but i hade no problem with other tourneys. The BW tourneys was well done and hopefully the Sc2 tourney will be aswell. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
Really happy with the prize pool, will make sure to watch any stream/vods or whatever there will be. | ||
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Sheep_Chutney
Sweden5 Posts
On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: i attended dreamheack twice with my dota team and won it, and i can say without a doubt that this lan is the most epic failure of all times, hope they can step it up with SC2 because if they do the same with SC2 than the other games, this will fail so much and after 2 or 3 editions the players will stop going just like they did for dota. Let me first introduce myself, nick is Chutney and I was one of the admins for dota, both of the years you mentioned if I remember correctly. I do agree on some of the things you say both here and below, but you seem to take it way further than what is reasonable. But before that, most of the problems that we had with the DotA tournament were due to problems in the dota-platform. Games being constantly dropped, players cheating, players not saving games, add-on programs not working properly etc etc. Compare that to SC2 which has a stable platform in battle.net. On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: The international qualifiers are all but a scam. My team won the qualifiers. The prize for winning the qualifiers was that Dreamhack will pay the trip of the team to attend the event and the registration fees to the lan. After paying the registration fees to the qualifiers and winning them, they told us that they won't be able to send us to dreamhack, no refound of the fees we payed to enter the qualifiers and a big facepalm. Official explanation, dreamhack had problems with their sponsors and external partners or what ever. That really sucks, I have no insight into that but I just can't imagine it happening the way you describe it. If that is the case then I'm really dissapointed with the way that was run. Unfortunately we, the tournament admins, have nothing to say or do about that. On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: Oh and since it's a BYOC format (bring you'r own computer) type of lan, you pay good money to take part to this shit. Except for the "shit" part you are right.. not really sure what your point is though. Dreamhack is a computer festival with about 15,000 attendees. Also, the grand tournament is on tournament computers, not byoc. The only byoc part is if you want to qualify for the last 8 spots on location. On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: During the tournaments, players droped like 3 times through out the brackets which put us close to elimination since we had to play 4 vs 5 games, and during the finals we had so much technical difficulties and couldn't get to play a real game that the team we were facing on the finals just throw the games and played 4 vs 5 most of the time because of the lan network wasn't working well. We restarted a game like 3 times in a row after 6 - 8 min into the game already. We would probably won without the technical difficulties but since it was impossible to play a complete game, the other team just lost motivation and we won in a sad manner. I suppose you are mainly talking about the 2009 finals and in that case you summed it up nicely. Me and Ereskigal were angry as well. Let's just say that precautions are made so that that won't ever happen again. On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: If u though that blizzcon sc2 tournament was a failure, just wait and see dreamhack, for the viewers and for the players  The only good thing about it is that day9 will be casting. Really? Not sure about the rest of you guys, but I'm sure as hell looking forward to top-players attending, having huge battles being casted by the worlds best shoutcasters, tons upon tons of games showing off what might be the coming weeks new cool strats, upsets in the form of unknown players coming in and showing their hidden talents... and if you are on location just add all the cool stuff you can do and see. On October 29 2010 15:32 Anfere wrote: Oh and just an advise for the players going, if you win, prepare an invoice to claim you'r price and give it to them on sight hand to hand, so that you can receive you'r prize 3 to 5 months later, if you don't do so and send the invoice afterward, you can wait ages and ages for you'r prize money. And if you'r not part of an organization of any kind, you will most likely pay taxe's on it If you wait too much before sending the invoice they will deny you the money, there is a statement in their policy that says so care because they have a lot of shaddy stuff to use so they don't pay. Like if the team wins the finals at day 2 of the lan but doesn't attend the award ceremony/closing ceremony at day 4 of the lan, they won't get the prize money. Attending the ceremony is mandatory to receive the prize. And they never give it in person, but use a weird bank transfer invoice paperwork that takes ages for it. I know some players that never got their prize money.There really is _no_ other way of doing it that is legal. So not sure what point you want to make. Anyway, I can close to guarantee you that this SC2 tournament is going to be awezome. I will eat my own mousepad (which I have had since 2005) if it fails. | ||
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Thurokiir
United States779 Posts
On October 29 2010 21:26 Sheep_Chutney wrote: Let me first introduce myself, nick is Chutney and I was one of the admins for dota, both of the years you mentioned if I remember correctly. I do agree on some of the things you say both here and below, but you seem to take it way further than what is reasonable. But before that, most of the problems that we had with the DotA tournament were due to problems in the dota-platform. Games being constantly dropped, players cheating, players not saving games, add-on programs not working properly etc etc. Compare that to SC2 which has a stable platform in battle.net. That really sucks, I have no insight into that but I just can't imagine it happening the way you describe it. If that is the case then I'm really dissapointed with the way that was run. Unfortunately we, the tournament admins, have nothing to say or do about that. Except for the "shit" part you are right.. not really sure what your point is though. Dreamhack is a computer festival with about 15,000 attendees. Also, the grand tournament is on tournament computers, not byoc. The only byoc part is if you want to qualify for the last 8 spots on location. I suppose you are mainly talking about the 2009 finals and in that case you summed it up nicely. Me and Ereskigal were angry as well. Let's just say that precautions are made so that that won't ever happen again. Really? Not sure about the rest of you guys, but I'm sure as hell looking forward to top-players attending, having huge battles being casted by the worlds best shoutcasters, tons upon tons of games showing off what might be the coming weeks new cool strats, upsets in the form of unknown players coming in and showing their hidden talents... and if you are on location just add all the cool stuff you can do and see. There really is _no_ other way of doing it that is legal. So not sure what point you want to make. Anyway, I can close to guarantee you that this SC2 tournament is going to be awezome. I will eat my own mousepad (which I have had since 2005) if it fails. Thank you for the assurances! | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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vanTuni
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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borgero
Finland52 Posts
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Meeran
Sweden91 Posts
 I hope some big sc2 players will attend to this awesome event! | ||
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yFot
Sweden41 Posts
On October 29 2010 22:43 Martijn wrote: I so wish I could help cast this. Can´t you? I mean there will be alot of games in the beginning that wont get into the dreamarena stream. Usually dreamhack is pretty lenient to streamers who does stream non-dreamarena games. Atleast the last couple of itterations of the quakelive tournament have been streamed by non-official streamers - atleast for group play and early playoffs. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
On October 29 2010 15:52 ParasitJonte wrote: Off-topic. People need to stop doing this. Would you like it if people always wrote "Haha Swedes" everytime someone from Sweden makes a silly comment? It's just retarded. This. It just looks stupid when people post "... you americans" | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
I didn't mean to use offensive worlds such as ''this shit'' that was just my inability to find a good adjective because I'm bad in English. Anyway i'm just sad that DH with all it's fame and international reputation was the worst lan i'v ever attended. And since you are trying to do better we can only hope for the best. There really is _no_ other way of doing it that is legal. So not sure what point you want to make. There is a lot of lans that gives the players the prize money and gear during the lan and i don't think they all doing some shaddy business or some illegal stuff. But that's not really the main problem anyway if DH works that way people have to adapt. Just don't say there is no other way when thousands of events work differently and better. Just take the example of the Gathering in Norway, since you are from sweden i'm sure you know about it. They give the prize money directly after the final hand to hand. They are in the Guiness book record for having the biggest local network in the world with over 4800 comps, and dispite that, we attended 3 times and never suffured a disconnect while we perma disconnect in a way smaller network in DH. Anyway good luck for you're SC2 tournament, i gave my warning The people and players will have to see it from themselves, and maybe it will be great, but still i'm so not convinced after experiencing it twice. | ||
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Amiralen
Sweden61 Posts
Also, you sound a bit butt hurt about those "hotel costs" you say to have paid just to be able to claim your "prize" teddy bear on the fourth day of the ceremony. | ||
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okuraku
United States210 Posts
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misse
Sweden2 Posts
On October 30 2010 01:49 Anfere wrote: Just take the example of the Gathering in Norway, since you are from sweden i'm sure you know about it. They give the prize money directly after the final hand to hand. They are in the Guiness book record for having the biggest local network in the world with over 4800 comps, and dispite that, we attended 3 times and never suffured a disconnect while we perma disconnect in a way smaller network in DH. Just fyi guys, Dreamhack's holding the record in the Guiness book of records and afaik, it's been that way since 2006, where we first had about 9k computers connected and we've set new records in connected computers since then. Far be it from me to guess why some games (I wept at the dota finals, such awesome games ruined, wp btw!) had network issues, but I do know that Dota is a sensitive platform, and I don't think there was enough planning made on the networks used for the finals. Which of course is way less than optimal and I know that the organizers has learnt from it, hopefully enough for a well executed SC2 tourney . I know the HoN tournament this summer went ok anyway.Man, Created an account just for this. It'll be totally awesome to get me some SC2 tourney-goodness at Dreamhack anyways . | ||
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
Also, you sound a bit butt hurt about those "hotel costs" you say to have paid just to be able to claim your "prize" teddy bear on the fourth day of the ceremony. Nop since i''v always been sponsored and never payed anything from my pocket, but that doesn't prevent me from finding this stupid. Anyway the guy from DH himself admitted that their Dota tournement was an epic fail so i have nothing more to say. From my experience DH is bad, that's all. | ||
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