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On October 25 2010 22:11 hkfosho wrote:
I don't get all the hype about idra... it's bigger than the hype he got in GSL 1, and I felt like the only one who actually thought idra wasn't gonna make it far... turns out I was right. Now in GSL 2, people are praising him with his macro ability in late-game... to place him as the 2nd best player next to cool is ridiculous. There are a handful of players who are better than idra and I don't mean that as an insult to foreigners, but look what happened to TLO after all the hype he got... BAM knocked out in the first round.
I applaud idra for making past ro32, but I doubt he's gonna get far in this tourney unless his brackets are going to be as easy as his past 2 rounds.
You are hyping the koreans as much as everyone else hypes IdrA.
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Oh god, Loner is in the same bracket as both BoxeR and NaDa. Can you imagine a foreigner knocking out both of the legends and preventing them from meeting each other? He's gonna need some bodyguards.
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United States7481 Posts
hahaha checkprime calling out david kim in his interview
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Watching the VODs and NaDa's opponent looks like  go.go[GsP].
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Zerg is not OP Vs terran. None of these kids can macro.
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On October 25 2010 22:14 Geo.Rion wrote:
would someone be kind enough to sum up the Idra games. I tried reading LR, but it makes no sense
The first game was on Jungle Basin. Gon delayed idra's natural with an engineering bay. Gon pushed in with 4 marines but retreated without doing anything. He then built a bunker at IdrA's soon-to-be third with the 4 marines in it. IdrA got mutas, killing depots, forcing stims, and picking off 2 tanks at one point. Gon continued producing marine/tank with 1 thor and pushed out. IdrA had muta/ling/baneling and rolled him.
Second game on Xel'naga, IdrA one-bases roach until about 30 food and is unable to bust the front (Gon scouted and built a bunker). Gon's hellion harrass was ineffective, and the game progressed again into marine/tank vs muta/ling/baneling. IdrA waited for ultras and it was gg.
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On October 25 2010 22:15 shynee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:11 Klive5ive wrote:On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. So lets say players of high caliber like Nada and Boxer play against Idra or Cool and get demolished. Not even a close match... I guarantee you that if zerg players keep going muta/ling/bling against Terran, none of the games are going to be close un You're already wrong. Did you not see Cool vs Boxer at Blizzcon? Boxer put a lot of pressure on Cool and it certainly wasn't one-sided. Cool even said afterwards he was "lucky". So if Boxer can give the GSL champion a fantastic game after far less practice,(and lets be honest we can't be sure Boxer is going to be great at SC2 we KNOW Cool is great already), then the current state of the game is not nearly as bad as you're making out. I do agree with some people that late-game ZvT might need some looking at. But until Terran players learn to macro/harass properly we can't be sure. It's not a case of "just do anything" for Terran now. It's like in starcraft1 again where you have to hit specific timings and exploit small weaknesses. And before you say "but you're a Zerg" I've actually switched to Terran recently because I like the match-up 100 times more now. It's so much more epic and scary as Terran. What??? When Boxers pressure failed (btw he pressured because he had to somehow stop Cool from macroing) and the game went on to the mid game, Cool ran him over. It wasn't even close. Boxer couldn't get his 3rd base up on LT. He got demolished dude.
he should have and i believe would have won the second game if he had scouted the gold going up earlier.
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On October 25 2010 22:17 zerious wrote:Watching the VODs and NaDa's opponent looks like go.go[GsP].
not even a little bit.
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And even without scouting the gold he crushed Fruits army once and could have had a chance to push to win it except he seperated his tanks and thors and both got picked off seperately.
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Artosis - Hey there is a player who likes to have his hands cold when he plays (pretty seriously)
Tasteless - Who ? Mr Freeze ? (pretty seriously)
Artosis - No JulyZerg man
Tasteless - Oh rly ?
Omg how funny is this haha
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On October 25 2010 22:14 Geo.Rion wrote:
would someone be kind enough to sum up the Idra games. I tried reading LR, but it makes no sense
First game, Gon puts a bunker at Idra's 3rd (which he normally takes with mutas). It was a cute trick and delayed Idra's 3rd, but Idra simply harassed with mutas while losing almost none (and forcing stims constantly). Gon's marine/tank unit composition was poor at dealing with the growing muta numbers, and by the time a thor came out Idra had 4 base and simply won with superior macro.
Second game Gon holds off Idra's 1-base roach push and went for pre-igniter hellion, which was denied by Idra. He lost a lot of hellions for very little damage, and by the time he moved out Idra had more than half the map covered in creep. Idra crushed Gon's small push with pure roach and then teched to ultras and won the game.
Someone should screenshot the minimap. It was scary.
EDIT: Oh yeah and Gon blocked hatch-first with ebay both games.
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No balance whine in live report threads.
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On October 25 2010 22:11 hkfosho wrote:
I don't get all the hype about idra... it's bigger than the hype he got in GSL 1, and I felt like the only one who actually thought idra wasn't gonna make it far... turns out I was right. Now in GSL 2, people are praising him with his macro ability in late-game... to place him as the 2nd best player next to cool is ridiculous. There are a handful of players who are better than idra and I don't mean that as an insult to foreigners, but look what happened to TLO after all the hype he got... BAM knocked out in the first round.
I applaud idra for making past ro32, but I doubt he's gonna get far in this tourney unless his brackets are going to be as easy as his past 2 rounds.
People have always praised him for his macro ability, the reason he lost in GSL1 was because of a DT rush and hidden Void ray rush, and even won the other game so he didn't get stomped or anything.
He is a very solid player, and I would definitely say he is one of the top zergs in the world right now. I don't really see many zergs better than IdrA except for Cool.
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On October 25 2010 22:14 Geo.Rion wrote:
would someone be kind enough to sum up the Idra games. I tried reading LR, but it makes no sense
Game 1 Idra macro'd up, got Mutas and constantly harassed, forcing tons of Stims from Gon, and eventually just overran him by running off 4 bases to Gons 1 1/2.
Game 2 Idra tried a Roach rush, it failed, but then he just massed up on 4 bases to Gon's 2, Gon constantly tried to Helion harass but kept losing helions(Losing around 8-10 in all) and eventually got overran by Ultra/Roach.
Worth noting, IdrA was around 100-120 supply above in both games before the final attack.
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Well done players! Next round is going to be exciting!!
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On October 25 2010 22:19 hydraden wrote:not even a little bit.
Probably just me 
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On October 25 2010 22:17 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Zerg is not OP Vs terran. None of these kids can macro.
Looks like lots of players in GSL still miss the basic mechanics, macro.
Their macros are so bad.
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On October 25 2010 22:11 hkfosho wrote:
I don't get all the hype about idra... it's bigger than the hype he got in GSL 1, and I felt like the only one who actually thought idra wasn't gonna make it far... turns out I was right. Now in GSL 2, people are praising him with his macro ability in late-game... to place him as the 2nd best player next to cool is ridiculous. There are a handful of players who are better than idra and I don't mean that as an insult to foreigners, but look what happened to TLO after all the hype he got... BAM knocked out in the first round.
I applaud idra for making past ro32, but I doubt he's gonna get far in this tourney unless his brackets are going to be as easy as his past 2 rounds.
The hype is because hes foriegn, can easily compete with the worlds best and is in the round of 16. To make an ro16 in a qualifier tournament is a huge accomplishment already. I think you lack perspective.
To finally see idra getting results we've known he was capable of in a majority korean dominated arena is very encouraging
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On October 25 2010 22:16 OTIX wrote:
Oh god, Loner is in the same bracket as both BoxeR and NaDa. Can you imagine a foreigner knocking out both of the legends and preventing them from meeting each other? He's gonna need some bodyguards.
lol, there is a chance though give how solid Loner was in Blizzcon, no one expected him to go on to the final through the winner braket.
He was the dark horse at Blizzcon, he may very well be the dark horse @GSL as well.
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On October 25 2010 22:18 pieman819 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 22:15 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 22:11 Klive5ive wrote:On October 25 2010 21:52 shynee wrote:On October 25 2010 21:40 okaygo wrote:
lol at all these terran tears. come on, its obvious that after all the practice at defending against terran nonsense and with the recent buffs to zerg and the nerfs to terran. idra and cool are performing at the level that is expected of them. clearly superior to the terrans.
idra fighting. So lets say players of high caliber like Nada and Boxer play against Idra or Cool and get demolished. Not even a close match... I guarantee you that if zerg players keep going muta/ling/bling against Terran, none of the games are going to be close un You're already wrong. Did you not see Cool vs Boxer at Blizzcon? Boxer put a lot of pressure on Cool and it certainly wasn't one-sided. Cool even said afterwards he was "lucky". So if Boxer can give the GSL champion a fantastic game after far less practice,(and lets be honest we can't be sure Boxer is going to be great at SC2 we KNOW Cool is great already), then the current state of the game is not nearly as bad as you're making out. I do agree with some people that late-game ZvT might need some looking at. But until Terran players learn to macro/harass properly we can't be sure. It's not a case of "just do anything" for Terran now. It's like in starcraft1 again where you have to hit specific timings and exploit small weaknesses. And before you say "but you're a Zerg" I've actually switched to Terran recently because I like the match-up 100 times more now. It's so much more epic and scary as Terran. What??? When Boxers pressure failed (btw he pressured because he had to somehow stop Cool from macroing) and the game went on to the mid game, Cool ran him over. It wasn't even close. Boxer couldn't get his 3rd base up on LT. He got demolished dude. he should have and i believe would have won the second game if he had scouted the gold going up earlier.
Not to mention he screwed up his bunker rush in game1. Should've moved his men behind the minerals.
Shynee a bunker rush is not supposed to be a freewin especially if you mess it up.
He invested economy in an attack and failed so yeah the game got hard, but even then he did well. There IS an alternative to fast attacking, it's called macro. It's not Boxers style but there are plenty of good macro builds such as getting a CC in your main straight after the first marine.
edit: sorry SMB i'd already posted it.
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